I am Hebrew Roots Ish....I can try to answer your questions.

[Ransom]

You are welcome to your opinion.

So what the Holy Spirit reveals to you or me is mere opinion?

 

[Hooper]

You are welcome to your opinion.

So what the Holy Spirit reveals to you or me is mere opinion?

I never said your opinions were from the Spirit did I?

 

[T-Bone]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

That you find a conflict between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught speaks of your willful ignorance. It has no affect on the harmony and consistency of the whole of Scripture.  But hey its a semi-free world, you can be an apostate if you want.

 

[T-Bone]

You are welcome to your opinion.

So what the Holy Spirit reveals to you or me is mere opinion?

I never said your opinions were from the Spirit did I?

And Hooper knows cause he is the arbiter of all things true! : :

 

[Hooper]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

That you find a conflict between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught speaks of your willful ignorance. It has no affect on the harmony and consistency of the whole of Scripture.  But hey its a semi-free world, you can be an apostate if you want.

Maybe your not looking close enough. Why was James so adamant about the need for works and faith and not faith alone? Who is the false apostle mentioned in Revelation chapter 2? Why do dispensationalist need to divide the NT into three distinct dispensations?

 

[Ransom]

I never said your opinions were from the Spirit did I?

They are, every bit as much as yours.

Maybe more so.

 

[T-Bone]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

That you find a conflict between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught speaks of your willful ignorance. It has no affect on the harmony and consistency of the whole of Scripture.  But hey its a semi-free world, you can be an apostate if you want.

Maybe your not looking close enough. Why was James so adamant about the need for works and faith and not faith alone? Who is the false apostle mentioned in Revelation chapter 2? Why do dispensationalist need to divide the NT into three distinct dispensations?

1. James is consistent in his writings with the rest of the Scripture...genuine faith is always seen with biblical works. Faith that produces no works, is not faith.

2.  Actually it does not say apostle, but apostles...there have always been false apostles, prophets, and teachers.  So why don't you name them since the passage does not.  I am sure your "holy spirit" has given you special insight...such is the experience of a gnostic.

3. While hyper-dispies do as you have said...your statement is not true of all dispensationalist. But then again with your special knowledge of all things, you knew that.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

That you find a conflict between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught speaks of your willful ignorance. It has no affect on the harmony and consistency of the whole of Scripture.  But hey its a semi-free world, you can be an apostate if you want.

OK, here is your chance to show our ignorance.

Where did Jesus teach ON EARTH that salvation was by grace through faith alone in his death, burial and resurrection? You are a pastor, you should be able to show me something of that importance. My eternal soul is at stake here.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

2.  Actually it does not say apostle, but apostles...there have always been false apostles, prophets, and teachers.  So why don't you name them since the passage does not.  I am sure your "holy spirit" has given you special insight...such is the experience of a gnostic.

True. It shows plurality of apostles. What is interesting is how the church of Ephesus to whom this was written, was one of the seven churches in Asia (Rev. 1:4).

Guess which churches left Paul? If his words are inspired, then the church of Ephesus actually abandoned him.

II Timothy 1:15

You know this, that all those in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.

Apparently all the Asian churches to which Revelation was penned got the message and abandoned Paul. Ephesus specifically was commended for doing so. I wonder why...

 

[T-Bone]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

That you find a conflict between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught speaks of your willful ignorance. It has no affect on the harmony and consistency of the whole of Scripture.  But hey its a semi-free world, you can be an apostate if you want.

OK, here is your chance to show our ignorance.

Where did Jesus teach ON EARTH that salvation was by grace through faith alone in his death, burial and resurrection? You are a pastor, you should be able to show me something of that importance. My eternal soul is at stake here.

That you choose to divide and place in conflict Jesus and Paul is not my problem.  Jesus claimed that through believing in Him we have eternal life...He claimed that he came to give His life as a ransom for many...He claimed to be the Resurrection and the life...He claimed to be the only way to the Father.  Paul carries on the teachings of Christ telling us that it is not by our own merit we are saved, but by the finished work of Jesus on the cross and by His Resurrection.  That is the consistent message of the whole of Scripture...your choice to believe or not.

 

[T-Bone]

2.  Actually it does not say apostle, but apostles...there have always been false apostles, prophets, and teachers.  So why don't you name them since the passage does not.  I am sure your "holy spirit" has given you special insight...such is the experience of a gnostic.

True. It shows plurality of apostles. What is interesting is how the church of Ephesus to whom this was written, was one of the seven churches in Asia (Rev. 1:4).

Guess which churches left Paul? If his words are inspired, then the church of Ephesus actually abandoned him.

II Timothy 1:15

You know this, that all those in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.

Apparently all the Asian churches to which Revelation was penned got the message and abandoned Paul. Ephesus specifically was commended for doing so. I wonder why...

Nice job of subjectively reading into a passage of Scripture that which is not there...I guess that allows you to make it say anything you want.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I believe that the Israelites adopted human and animal sacrificing from the Canaanite culture. The error was grafted into OT scriptures. It was never Gods intention to put it in there.

Sounds like what Jeremiah preached in front of the temple:

Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ?Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this command I gave them: ?Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.? But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day. Yet they did not listen to me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.

It was from this very same sermon Jesus quoted when he tossed out the temple merchants when he said they made the temple "a den of thieves".

 

[Hooper]

Honest question....

How do you decide what "scripture" holds authority and what part is in error.

Clearly he is his own final authority...thus he denies anything he doesn't like...He is is own canon.  Which is shown in his denial of Christ's substitutionary atonement and his eternal lostness.

Incorrect. I don't make up truth, I am lead to it. A skill long lost on "bible believers". There are lots of things that I don't like. I don't get to change them but accept them. It is you and others like you that openly deny the gospel taught by the Messiah in exchange for the false gospel of Saul. There is no salvation by faith. To trust in that will get you to the wedding with no clothes. You really need to study the teachings of the Messiah a little more closely.

That you find a conflict between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught speaks of your willful ignorance. It has no affect on the harmony and consistency of the whole of Scripture.  But hey its a semi-free world, you can be an apostate if you want.

OK, here is your chance to show our ignorance.

Where did Jesus teach ON EARTH that salvation was by grace through faith alone in his death, burial and resurrection? You are a pastor, you should be able to show me something of that importance. My eternal soul is at stake here.

That you choose to divide and place in conflict Jesus and Paul is not my problem.  Jesus claimed that through believing in Him we have eternal life...He claimed that he came to give His life as a ransom for many...He claimed to be the Resurrection and the life...He claimed to be the only way to the Father.  Paul carries on the teachings of Christ telling us that it is not by our own merit we are saved, but by the finished work of Jesus on the cross and by His Resurrection.  That is the consistent message of the whole of Scripture...your choice to believe or not.

Christ also said a good many things like many are called and few are chosen.  They are chosen by God based on their works. He mentions the story of the man invited to the wedding but shows up without clothing. Its no secret that the clothing is the good works done by that saint in the name of the Lord. There are many many more parables that show us that without obedience there is no salvation. You might want to read the book of Mathew again.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

2.  Actually it does not say apostle, but apostles...there have always been false apostles, prophets, and teachers.  So why don't you name them since the passage does not.  I am sure your "holy spirit" has given you special insight...such is the experience of a gnostic.

True. It shows plurality of apostles. What is interesting is how the church of Ephesus to whom this was written, was one of the seven churches in Asia (Rev. 1:4).

Guess which churches left Paul? If his words are inspired, then the church of Ephesus actually abandoned him.

II Timothy 1:15

You know this, that all those in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.

Apparently all the Asian churches to which Revelation was penned got the message and abandoned Paul. Ephesus specifically was commended for doing so. I wonder why...

Nice job of subjectively reading into a passage of Scripture that which is not there...I guess that allows you to make it say anything you want.

So did "all" the churches in Asia abandon Paul or was Paul lying?

All I'm doing is putting the pieces together. Show me what it looks like to have all Asian churches abandon Paul, the same churches commended for abandoning false apostles. Would like to see another perspective.

 

[Hooper]

2.  Actually it does not say apostle, but apostles...there have always been false apostles, prophets, and teachers.  So why don't you name them since the passage does not.  I am sure your "holy spirit" has given you special insight...such is the experience of a gnostic.

True. It shows plurality of apostles. What is interesting is how the church of Ephesus to whom this was written, was one of the seven churches in Asia (Rev. 1:4).

Guess which churches left Paul? If his words are inspired, then the church of Ephesus actually abandoned him.

II Timothy 1:15

You know this, that all those in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.

Apparently all the Asian churches to which Revelation was penned got the message and abandoned Paul. Ephesus specifically was commended for doing so. I wonder why...

Nice job of subjectively reading into a passage of Scripture that which is not there...I guess that allows you to make it say anything you want.

So did "all" the churches in Asia abandon Paul or was Paul lying?

All I'm doing is putting the pieces together. Show me what it looks like to have all Asian churches abandon Paul, the same churches commended for abandoning false apostles. Would like to see another perspective.

Oh boy....I can see a lot of pastors having to do a lot of explaining at church tonight. You'll have to wait to tomorrow to get an answer back. The modern church goer only is told what to think and dare not put any real thought into what's taught by their church fathers. That would be akin to insubordination. Punishable by Hell as we have already seen divulged here.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

That you choose to divide and place in conflict Jesus and Paul is not my problem. 

It is if Paul was a false apostle.

Jesus claimed that through believing in Him we have eternal life...

Believing in him as a LIVING person. Not a dead or resurrected version.

He claimed that he came to give His life as a ransom for many...

Notice, he "gave his life" not "die for". Mother Theresa gave her life for the poor of Calcutta but certainly never died for their redemption. A ransom is the payment for the price of release. Not a big fan of his, but I think Greg Boyd was spot on when he said, "Christ did whatever it took to release us from slavery to the powers, and this he did by...living an outrageously loving life in defiance of the powers, freeing people from the oppression of the devil through healings and exorcisms, teaching the way of self-sacrificial love, and most definitively by his sacrificial death and victorious resurrection."

He claimed to be the Resurrection and the life...

Sure. And who is denying the resurrection? How is this salvific in nature?

He claimed to be the only way to the Father. 

And I agree. What part of grace through faith alone in his death, burial and resurrection does this pertain to?

Paul carries on the teachings of Christ telling us that it is not by our own merit we are saved, but by the finished work of Jesus on the cross and by His Resurrection.  That is the consistent message of the whole of Scripture...your choice to believe or not.

Then how do you reconcile this teaching of Jesus?

But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. ... But if you will not forgive the children of men, neither has your Father forgiven you your faults. ... but if ye do not set men free from their trespasses, neither will your Father set you free from your trespasses.

 

[FSSL]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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[Hooper]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness. That this life is meant to prove out those good servants from the wicked. I believe this is done in humility with live and respect for my fellow men.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness.

When do you become sons in this process?  How much obedience does it take?  What kind of obedience is it?

 

[Hooper]

Now that we all know what Hooper DOES NOT believe, is there anything he DOES?


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I believe in doctrine taught by Christ in the book of Mathew less a few interjections to eat meat and the gospel of the holy twelve. I believe we become one of His sons through obedience to the  truth and to righteousness.

When do you become sons in this process?  How much obedience does it take?  What kind of obedience is it?

A better question for you would be "Lord, how many sins can I commit and still be one of your  followers?"