fishinnut said:
Timotheos said:I'm baffled by the OP title. Where does dead soldiers of America = dying for the cause of Christ? Is America the new nation of God? Are they somehow blessed over other nations b/c... they killed a lot of Indians and slaves? Didn't Jesus say it is harder for the rich to enter the KoG, and therefore the prosperity of America is more of a curse? Is that what these soldiers die for? Is that truly them paying the ultimate (strong word mind you) price for freedom?
This is when I get a lot of reds, but I wish people would hear themselves. Jesus nor the apostles wasted time on patriotic nationalism.
Timotheos said:I'm baffled by the OP title. Where does dead soldiers of America = dying for the cause of Christ? Is America the new nation of God? Are they somehow blessed over other nations b/c... they killed a lot of Indians and slaves? Didn't Jesus say it is harder for the rich to enter the KoG, and therefore the prosperity of America is more of a curse? Is that what these soldiers die for? Is that truly them paying the ultimate (strong word mind you) price for freedom?
This is when I get a lot of reds, but I wish people would hear themselves. Jesus nor the apostles wasted time on patriotic nationalism.
TBone said:Don't be confused, I used the word "and" on purpose to give honor to each group as they deserve. Sorry you don't think those who gave themselves for freedom should not be honored...I disagree and will give honor to whom it is due. Mean while you sit there enjoying your freedom being apathetic or even hostile to those who died for you to have it.
Timotheos said:Third, what is the point of freedom if I cannot criticize. This is the epitome of American patriotic hypocrisy. People didn't die for freedom so I would be force to honor anyone. If they were true to the American ideal of freedom, they died for my apathy and hostility.
Lastly, my citizenship has been transferred. I might make use of my USA citizenship, but I don't care where I live. I am here to serve the true king. That will my focus be. There will my honor lie (lay?).
Timotheos said:I thought it was obvious, but I mentioned no Honduran ever dying for me. I live in Honduras. It is straight up 3rd world. I get discriminated against constantly. There are so many backwards ideas and aweful cultural mores here, it drives me bonkers.
That said, I'm not advocating the promotion of any nation. Heck, I pulled for Sweden in Olympic hockey this past go round b/c they had more Red Wing players than any other team. Like I said, I don't really care where I live. I'm not attached to a geo-political program here. I am for God's kingdom. I look forward to the consummation of his reign throughout all the earth for all eternity. If that is my mindset now, why would I bother focusing on how awesome America is? Why celebrate the sacrifice for something that has no eternal value?
So I don't care how nations are born. God's nation, the Kingdom of God, was birthed on the cross. I will celebrate that. I will honor that. But fighting for a country that will be shadow and dust in the grand scheme of things seems like a misplaced allegiance. Idolatry if you will. And don't get me started on the pledge of allegiance.
(I'm still waiting for those who "fight for freedom" to stand up to the hypocrisy from those that say I must be patriotic or leave when I supposedly have the freedom not to be patriotic)
Well God bless you and your Christian attitude of brotherly love, sir. I wish you well as you so cogently refuted what I said.fishinnut said:Timotheos said:I thought it was obvious, but I mentioned no Honduran ever dying for me. I live in Honduras. It is straight up 3rd world. I get discriminated against constantly. There are so many backwards ideas and aweful cultural mores here, it drives me bonkers.
That said, I'm not advocating the promotion of any nation. Heck, I pulled for Sweden in Olympic hockey this past go round b/c they had more Red Wing players than any other team. Like I said, I don't really care where I live. I'm not attached to a geo-political program here. I am for God's kingdom. I look forward to the consummation of his reign throughout all the earth for all eternity. If that is my mindset now, why would I bother focusing on how awesome America is? Why celebrate the sacrifice for something that has no eternal value?
So I don't care how nations are born. God's nation, the Kingdom of God, was birthed on the cross. I will celebrate that. I will honor that. But fighting for a country that will be shadow and dust in the grand scheme of things seems like a misplaced allegiance. Idolatry if you will. And don't get me started on the pledge of allegiance.
(I'm still waiting for those who "fight for freedom" to stand up to the hypocrisy from those that say I must be patriotic or leave when I supposedly have the freedom not to be patriotic)
I hear they have the rain forest in that little 3rd world place where you live. Now I know they also have you. Would you do us all a favor & climb as far up in one of the rain forest trees & jump off into the nothingness that you brain has already reached.
You said something......?Timotheos said:Well God bless you and your Christian attitude of brotherly love, sir. I wish you well as you so cogently refuted what I said.fishinnut said:Timotheos said:I thought it was obvious, but I mentioned no Honduran ever dying for me. I live in Honduras. It is straight up 3rd world. I get discriminated against constantly. There are so many backwards ideas and aweful cultural mores here, it drives me bonkers.
That said, I'm not advocating the promotion of any nation. Heck, I pulled for Sweden in Olympic hockey this past go round b/c they had more Red Wing players than any other team. Like I said, I don't really care where I live. I'm not attached to a geo-political program here. I am for God's kingdom. I look forward to the consummation of his reign throughout all the earth for all eternity. If that is my mindset now, why would I bother focusing on how awesome America is? Why celebrate the sacrifice for something that has no eternal value?
So I don't care how nations are born. God's nation, the Kingdom of God, was birthed on the cross. I will celebrate that. I will honor that. But fighting for a country that will be shadow and dust in the grand scheme of things seems like a misplaced allegiance. Idolatry if you will. And don't get me started on the pledge of allegiance.
(I'm still waiting for those who "fight for freedom" to stand up to the hypocrisy from those that say I must be patriotic or leave when I supposedly have the freedom not to be patriotic)
I hear they have the rain forest in that little 3rd world place where you live. Now I know they also have you. Would you do us all a favor & climb as far up in one of the rain forest trees & jump off into the nothingness that you brain has already reached.

Timotheos said:I thought it was obvious, but I mentioned no Honduran ever dying for me. I live in Honduras. It is straight up 3rd world. I get discriminated against constantly. There are so many backwards ideas and aweful cultural mores here, it drives me bonkers.
That said, I'm not advocating the promotion of any nation. Heck, I pulled for Sweden in Olympic hockey this past go round b/c they had more Red Wing players than any other team. Like I said, I don't really care where I live. I'm not attached to a geo-political program here. I am for God's kingdom. I look forward to the consummation of his reign throughout all the earth for all eternity. If that is my mindset now, why would I bother focusing on how awesome America is? Why celebrate the sacrifice for something that has no eternal value?
So I don't care how nations are born. God's nation, the Kingdom of God, was birthed on the cross. I will celebrate that. I will honor that. But fighting for a country that will be shadow and dust in the grand scheme of things seems like a misplaced allegiance. Idolatry if you will. And don't get me started on the pledge of allegiance.
(I'm still waiting for those who "fight for freedom" to stand up to the hypocrisy from those that say I must be patriotic or leave when I supposedly have the freedom not to be patriotic)
Timotheos said:I thought it was obvious, but I mentioned no Honduran ever dying for me. I live in Honduras. It is straight up 3rd world. I get discriminated against constantly. There are so many backwards ideas and aweful cultural mores here, it drives me bonkers.
That said, I'm not advocating the promotion of any nation. Heck, I pulled for Sweden in Olympic hockey this past go round b/c they had more Red Wing players than any other team. Like I said, I don't really care where I live. I'm not attached to a geo-political program here. I am for God's kingdom. I look forward to the consummation of his reign throughout all the earth for all eternity. If that is my mindset now, why would I bother focusing on how awesome America is? Why celebrate the sacrifice for something that has no eternal value?
So I don't care how nations are born. God's nation, the Kingdom of God, was birthed on the cross. I will celebrate that. I will honor that. But fighting for a country that will be shadow and dust in the grand scheme of things seems like a misplaced allegiance. Idolatry if you will. And don't get me started on the pledge of allegiance.
(I'm still waiting for those who "fight for freedom" to stand up to the hypocrisy from those that say I must be patriotic or leave when I supposedly have the freedom not to be patriotic)
fishinnut said:
So you think I have an attitude......you think?Timotheos said:Well God bless you and your Christian attitude of brotherly love, sir. I wish you well as you so cogently refuted what I said.fishinnut said:Timotheos said:I thought it was obvious, but I mentioned no Honduran ever dying for me. I live in Honduras. It is straight up 3rd world. I get discriminated against constantly. There are so many backwards ideas and aweful cultural mores here, it drives me bonkers.
That said, I'm not advocating the promotion of any nation. Heck, I pulled for Sweden in Olympic hockey this past go round b/c they had more Red Wing players than any other team. Like I said, I don't really care where I live. I'm not attached to a geo-political program here. I am for God's kingdom. I look forward to the consummation of his reign throughout all the earth for all eternity. If that is my mindset now, why would I bother focusing on how awesome America is? Why celebrate the sacrifice for something that has no eternal value?
So I don't care how nations are born. God's nation, the Kingdom of God, was birthed on the cross. I will celebrate that. I will honor that. But fighting for a country that will be shadow and dust in the grand scheme of things seems like a misplaced allegiance. Idolatry if you will. And don't get me started on the pledge of allegiance.
(I'm still waiting for those who "fight for freedom" to stand up to the hypocrisy from those that say I must be patriotic or leave when I supposedly have the freedom not to be patriotic)
I hear they have the rain forest in that little 3rd world place where you live. Now I know they also have you. Would you do us all a favor & climb as far up in one of the rain forest trees & jump off into the nothingness that you brain has already reached.

This hit me this morning. The air of certainty you exude... that any view different than yours is brainless... that is the epitome of pride. Have you ever in your life consider the idea that you (1) might not know everything (2) you might be wrong about something (3) and that you could still learn something new?fishinnut said:I hear they have the rain forest in that little 3rd world place where you live. Now I know they also have you. Would you do us all a favor & climb as far up in one of the rain forest trees & jump off into the nothingness that you brain has already reached.
Proud....thank you & you don't know half the story. Now crawl back in your rain forest. Before I remind you of what this thread was about.Timotheos said:This hit me this morning. The air of certainty you exude... that any view different than yours is brainless... that is the epitome of pride. Have you ever in your life consider the idea that you (1) might not know everything (2) you might be wrong about something (3) and that you could still learn something new?fishinnut said:I hear they have the rain forest in that little 3rd world place where you live. Now I know they also have you. Would you do us all a favor & climb as far up in one of the rain forest trees & jump off into the nothingness that you brain has already reached.
This kind of attitude is the quintessential fundamentalist mindset... certainty is the measure of truth. Therefore, if one's view differs from mine, apart from the merits of said view, it is certainly wrong b/c I am certain of truth.
How can you be teachable with this kind of mentality? I see such an anti-Christian worldview here: lack of humility and teachability.
This is just my opinion. I'm sure it wont even mean 2 cents to you. But there it is, such as it is.

