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FSSL said:
Binaca Chugger said:
FSSL said:
Malarkey. What approach treats the text better? Running all over Scripture finding verses in Strongs or digging into the meanings of the words of a particular verse?
Why not give the exact same lesson, only using one version that every one can see? Then, the student sees the truth for themself in the Scripture that they take with them rather than just in your lesson. AND, the next time a speaker reads that same passage, the lesson is triggered in their mind so that they can build and deepen thair understanding of that Scripture. The multiple version method does not promote memory recall of the verse, but the lesson. I would rather Scripture be paramount over my assemblance of study tools.
I used the NIV as the basis of this lesson. I even wrote the verse on the board and circled words.
You don't get it. Scripture is KING when you exposit it word-by-word. Even the NIV did not make it clear what "prove." It is better than the KJVs "bringeth." The Hebrew is clear. Did I need to read the Hebrew Bible to the teens?
The memory recall thing does not overthrow a proper understanding of the verse. There are many AWANA kids out there today who can cite Ephesians 2.8-9 and have no understanding of what it actually means.
In this thread, we are discussing if asking the teachers to use a common version does, by itself, define the pastor as a controlling, manipulative MOG. I have maintained that there is great benefit in using a common version throughout the church ministries for teaching purposes. I have not tried to prove the KJV to be a more sure word of testimony. I understand that stating my preference for the KJV will bring out every hate possible from most of the posters here. I really don't understand the hatred and disdain for this work of translation among so many posters. Personally, I think the hatred of the KJV stems from the association of it to past abuse, but, I don't know your stories.
Please do expound the Scripture. Please don't forget the "macro" while studying the "micro." My point is that, whatever version your church is using, use it. If you are speaking as a guest in a church, tell the people which version you will be using so they can associate the text and use their devices to follow along. If you feel the need to further expound a word or passage, tell the people the source. In teaching a multi-version class, I would often state something like: "Some versions use _____, while other versions state _______ or _______. I like the wording in this version which states _______ because it most closely aligns with the context of this passage and the majority theme of the Scripture." At least I am telling them where to find it. Still, I find it most effective when an entire group is studying from the same translation with the same wording.
AWANA verse memorization is your response? You mean to tell me that 6-12 year old kids don't fully comprehend the significance of the verse they memorized? Seriously? What's next? Are you going to tell me that I don't fully comprehend molecular physics? DUH!
Let's first talk about memorization. Why should we memorize any Scripture if we can change it any way we want and call it a different version? Example: God loved, Jesus died, I go to heaven. - John 3:16 Obviously this is lacking in theology and could quite possibly teach heresy. Yet, if we don't need to memorize because any version will do, why is my version wrong? You see, this promotes confusion and even heresy.
Now, memory recall. I don't think you understood my point. When you teach a lesson to your class about Prov 29:25, they will associate that lesson with that passage. A month later, another pastor references Prov 29:25 from a different lesson. They will associate the passage that was quoted and the lesson learned with the lesson that you have already taught. The mind will not as automatically perform this association when they hear the second lesson taught from a different version, because it sounds different. Hence, people do not gain the deeper understanding of Scripture and how all the parts tie together that they would have if the same version was used. This I know because of my work with Learning Disabilities, Cognitive Therapy and my own life experience from now attending a church that does not normally use the KJV. A multitude of references promotes confusion, or, at least, a lack of understanding.
