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Contrary to the FFF moniker, I am not not so much into fighting over KJVO.
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Contrary to the FFF moniker, I am not not so much into fighting over KJVO.
Edumacte me... What do you mean by Exclusionist?
We get all kinds here... From the kooky to the downright heretical. I've never seen anyone banned for any position let alone an eschatological one. However, be prepared to defend your position against folks whose mind you'll never change and who will argue for argument's sake. Hope you have thick skin.
Myself, I am a traditional dispy who holds very solid to a premillennialist view. I make it a point to avoid arguing over the subject simply because it isn't a hill to die on.
As you can tell, I attend a Calvary Chapel, been so since 2001. Before that I attended a Baptist church that was MacArthur-esque. After relocating to the PNW, I began seeking a Baptist church that was very strong but almost none were to be found. I was wanting to get back to my IFB roots and found a congregation that was clearly IFB. About that time, I was hanging out with the only single adult ministry in town which was connected to a Calvary Chapel. I checked the out and found them to be closer to my previous IFB affiliation than anything else I had been affiliated with in about a dozen years. It was different but I soon became so accustomed to their expository teaching style, that I knew I found what I was looking for. I relocated to my present congregation in 2002. I don't see myself changing my affiliation with CC anytime soon, even with all of CC's idiosyncrasies.
Are you StandingfirminChrist?
I think the only thing that will get you banned here is posting inappropriate pictures or words.
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The conversation here is reflective of a diverse background of evangelical and fundamental voices. Most have some kind of direct or distant relationship to fundamentalist thinking (usually IFB) and practice, though there are a few that still participate here that are currently practicing IFB. I am one of them. I was formerly KJVO myself, but would now identify as KJV preferred. Of course, within the KJVO world there is a couple of different strains, from the Ruckman version where the KJV is believed to correct the original languages, to the Byzantine text Family adherents. What type of KJVO would you describe yourself as?
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Historically:
1. Posting porn or links to porn
2. Swearing
3. Spam
And speaking for myself, I let some minor stuff slide in #2.
Nope.
Millenial Kingdom Exclusionist believe unfaithful Christians can be judged unworthy of Kingdom entrance at the JSOC based upon Matt, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians and other Scriptures.
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I prefer expository preaching best. J.W. Knox preaches that way. My current pastor uses both topical and expository styles.
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My journey on this Pilgrim's Way has been peppered with many interesting encounters. Pentecostal, SDA, Armstrongism, Nazarene and Calvary Chapel, SBC and finally IFB in 1998. My reason for drifting through so many for the first 18 years since salvation was akin to the Bereans of old; and that is how I landed on IFB.
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Then I enrolled in Bible Institute and earned my BD degree. That is how I came to believe both Midtrib and MKE. Not that they taught those doctrines but that I was taught that one must "feed himself" on the meat of God's pure words. My own study discovered those things and then I found others who also saw what I was seeing.
Farout, thanks. That is good to know..
What 'type' of KJVO am I?
I was trained in Bible Institue by a graduate from Ruckman's school. That was in Idaho. A few things Ruckman taught bristles my hackles. His racism was a huge red flag.
I am not as mild as (preferred) but I am not as rabid as the KJV corrects it's underlying Greek texts either. Although, I do think it corrects (some) Greek MSS like LXX, Aleph or B.
I do NOT believe "older is better". Just because something is old it does not automatically mean it is better than something more recent.
And, I am far from an expert so I remain teachable.
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I am an assistant pastor in an IFB church that I have been in for over 25 years. In that time I have sat under men who were educated at Arlington Baptist, BBF Springfield, Hyles Anderson (2), and Crown College. Before my time as a member, they had a Ruckman educated pastor. Obviously you can imagine there were different points of emphasis on the KJV amongst those men.
Admirable quality. I look forward to your participation and perspective, especially on the exclusionist eschatology. It has been a couple decades since I have encountered that unique eschatological variation.
So... Saved but not really saved?
Please elaborate on the scriptures you listed (and others) you believe teach this sort of thing.
Ok. Let's start with the very first and most important misunderstanding, i.e. 'salvation'.
Depending on context, the word/concept of salvation carries with it more than one definition. Of course, this is true of many English words. Table, for example, can be a chemical chart, a flat topped hill or a piece of furniture. So, too, does our word 'salvation' carry different meanings. For this discussion, I will show TWO different meanings.
1. Salvation = eternal life. (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.)
2. Salvation = preservation of physical life. (He that endureth unto the end shall be saved)
Unfortunately, this medium is not the greatest way for an in depth and effective study. So I will stick to question and answer as we cover each passage.
We all know that the parables of Christ tell a fictional story that teaches a literal Truth.
In Matthew 25:14-30 Jesus explains who will enter His kingdom and who will be excluded. The context is twofold. It is about believers, and for believers. Notice, He said the man called his OWN servants to care for his goods while HE went to a far country. This pictures Jesus' charge to his disciples at the Mount of Ascension in Acts ch1.
Then vs 19 pictures the Judgement Seat of Christ. ONLY His servants are present. I am not going to exegete every verse. But the conclusion is SOME will hear "well done thou good and faithful servant" while others will be "cast into outer darkness".
Paul confirms this also in 1 Cor 3:8-15 and again in 1 Cor 9:24-27 and Romans 14:10-13.