christundivided said:
prophet said:
christundivided said:
BandGuy said:
The other passage requiring discussion is, of course, Gen 1:2; "The earth was וָבֹהוּ תֹּהוּ." The meaning of בֹּהוּ itself is uncertain (it appears elsewhere only in Isa 34:11 and Jer 4:23, both times in context with תֹּהוּ, although it apparently signifies "emptiness" (cf. the possible Arabic cognate bahiya "was empty"). Therefore, the phrase וָבֹהוּ תֹּהוּ in Gen 1:2 a has been variously variously understood as a hendiadys meaning "a formless waste" (E. A. Speiser, Genesis, p. 5), "absolutely nothing whatever" (H. Renckens, Israel's concept of the Beginning, p. 84), "void and vacancy" (H. E. Ryle, The Book of Genesis, p. 4 though without complete conviction). But the traditional rendering, "without from and void" (or "unformed and unfilled," to preserve something of the euphony of the Hebrew phrase), is ably defended by W. H. Griffith Thomas in Genesis-- A Devotional Commentary, p. 29, where he writes that "the adjectives 'formless' and 'empty' seem to be the key to the literary structure of the chapter. The record of the first three days refers to the heaven and earth receiving their 'form,' and the record of the last three days to the filling- up of their 'emptiness.' "See further R. Youngblood in JETS 16:219- 21. The" gap "or" interval "theory, which posits a millennia- long period of time implied by or in Gen 1:2 and which usually translates 1:2 by the less likely" but the earth became without from and void, "has come into increasing disfavor in recent years. Its main exegetical support, Isa 45:18, reads" (God) did not create (the earth) תֹּהוּ, "and has been interpreted to mean that therefore an original creation (described briefly in Gen 1:1) was destroyed; that the geologic ages ensued (during the" gap "); and that the new creation portrayed in 1:3 ff. was built on the wreckage of the old. But Isa 45:18, after the phrase quoted, goes on to say that God" formed (the earth) to be inhabited, "thereby assuring the reader that תֹּהוּ was not his ultimate purpose in creation. (For extended critiques of the" gap "theory, see especially O. T. Allis, God Spake by Moses, pp. 153- 159; B. Ramm, The Christian View of Science and Scripture, pp. 195- 210). The word תֹּהוּ in Gen 1:2, likewise, refers not to the result of a supposed catastrophe (for which there is no clear biblical evidence) but to the formlessness of the earth before God's creative hand began the majestic acts described in the following verses. As Jer 4:23 indicates, the earth always has the potential of returning to וָבֹהוּ תֹּהוּ if God decides to judge it.
Commentary on The Hebrew Word תֹּהוּ provided by Dr. Ronald F. Youngblood in the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament published by Moody Press.
Too many men such as Youngblood get hung up in such things. There is absolutely nothing in the Hebrew language text of the OT that would discount the idea that God didn't create the Earth/Universe before Genesis 1:1 and that Genesis 1:1 is a reference to God's present creative action in forming what we experience today. It was none the less our "beginning". Certainly not the beginning of God or any other "thing" God has chosen to do in eternity past.
There is no such thing as "Eternity past". Only time can pass. Eternity exists outside of time.
Before you go spouting off at me about it, realize how ignorant you sounded, and that I'm just trying to help.
I'll rephrase it: "eternity past" is an oxymoron.
Anishinaabe
Nonsense. Eternity is NOT the absence of time. The endless measure of time. The Eternal past doesn't cease to exist. In of itself. It is eternal.
I might sound ignorant to you but ignorance in often in the "eye of the beholder".
You made it worse.
Eternity is where God dwells.
Time is where we dwell.
Eternity doesn't move, progress, etc.
Isa 57:15
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One
that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;
I dwell in the high and holy place,
with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,
to revive the spirit of the humble,
and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
2Pe 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Rom 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Eph 3:9-11
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Here is a list of three anti-attributes, things were are not, that God is:
1Ti 1:17
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Einstein discovered the relativity of time to speed, specifically of light.
He discovered that if one could move fast enough, time would cease to exist. To that, I say this:
1Jo 1:5
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
And this:
Rev 21:23
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Anishinaabe
