Long Hair/Short Hair Male/Female

[praise_yeshua]

We haven't had a long/short hair "fight" in some time.

Core verses are found in

1Co 11:3  But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4  Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:5  But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6  For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7  For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8  For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9  Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10  For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
1Co 11:11  Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12  For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
1Co 11:13  Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Co 11:14  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Co 11:15  But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Let the fighting begin!!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Men should look like men, and women should look like women. We can create legalistic rules within our Church culture to try and protect, or simply teach our young girls and men that God isn't "UNISEX"

But. Ultimately. Is Jesus Christ the center of your hair style, or is it your self?

What about the Nazarite? Did a Nazarite look like a man?

I've never seen a man with long hair that looked like a women. I've never seen a women with short hair that looked like a man. I don't want to get into those things that distinguish a male from a female........ I'd say if you're past puberty you might have noticed a difference. I'm certain it wasn't about the "hair".  8)

 

[praise_yeshua]

Men should look like men, and women should look like women. We can create legalistic rules within our Church culture to try and protect, or simply teach our young girls and men that God isn't "UNISEX"

But. Ultimately. Is Jesus Christ the center of your hair style, or is it your self?

What about the Nazarite? Did a Nazarite look like a man?

I've never seen a man with long hair that looked like a women. I've never seen a women with short hair that looked like a man. I don't want to get into those things that distinguish a male from a female........ I'd say if you're past puberty you might have noticed a difference. I'm certain it wasn't about the "hair".  8)

God made us male and female. One distinguishment would be our hair length. I never said long hair would be a sin on a man - or short hair on a woman. I won't call it sin. But perhaps Paul is right calling it  foolish behavior.

Clearly when you see most men with long hair you still can determine they are men. But. Even most men wearing dresses look like men as well.

It is a matter of the heart.

I would never grow my hair out! I want to identify myself as a genuine man - proud to be a man as well. If I grow my hair I will identify with rebellion (some will see me as a sissy) - and I will begin to identify myself as the opposite sex. Just as much as if I wore a skirt, or put on makeup, or pierced my ear. I would be basically saying, "I am not proud to be a man - I am proud to be MYSELF! And whatever my self desires that will I proclaim!"

I suppose some might grow out of ignorance. But. That would be a different topic. Many people do wrong things out of ignorance.

I asked about the Nazarite. Do you mind answering the question?

Paul didn't say it was foolish. Where did you get that Paul said it was foolish?

Growing your hair out isn't an act of rebellion. In fact, if you study the subject. Its an act of submission.

 

[Bruh]

The IFB church we just left the pastor once a year would preach exactly how long a mans hair should or shouldn't be and exactly how short a woman's hair should or shouldn't  be. Very very nauseating.

In most everything he never ever left room for the Holy Spirit, very sad.

 

[Recovering IFB]

If you want to know what a man or woman looks like; just ask Biblebeliever, he could tell you the difference  ;D

 

[Recovering IFB]

I think its cultural. There are other characteristics of both sexes that differentiate us other than our hair. Some women looks nice in short hair; some women can't pull it off. I'm bald, so my wife likes my head shaven. She says I have a nice shaped head. But, if I had hair, I would grow it long in the winter and keep it short in the summer. When I had hair, I never cut it after August and wait till the spring to cut it again.

 

[subllibrm]

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And boobs too!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Men should look like men, and women should look like women. We can create legalistic rules within our Church culture to try and protect, or simply teach our young girls and men that God isn't "UNISEX"

But. Ultimately. Is Jesus Christ the center of your hair style, or is it your self?

What about the Nazarite? Did a Nazarite look like a man?

I've never seen a man with long hair that looked like a women. I've never seen a women with short hair that looked like a man. I don't want to get into those things that distinguish a male from a female........ I'd say if you're past puberty you might have noticed a difference. I'm certain it wasn't about the "hair".  8)

God made us male and female. One distinguishment would be our hair length. I never said long hair would be a sin on a man - or short hair on a woman. I won't call it sin. But perhaps Paul is right calling it  foolish behavior.

Clearly when you see most men with long hair you still can determine they are men. But. Even most men wearing dresses look like men as well.

It is a matter of the heart.

I would never grow my hair out! I want to identify myself as a genuine man - proud to be a man as well. If I grow my hair I will identify with rebellion (some will see me as a sissy) - and I will begin to identify myself as the opposite sex. Just as much as if I wore a skirt, or put on makeup, or pierced my ear. I would be basically saying, "I am not proud to be a man - I am proud to be MYSELF! And whatever my self desires that will I proclaim!"

I suppose some might grow out of ignorance. But. That would be a different topic. Many people do wrong things out of ignorance.

I asked about the Nazarite. Do you mind answering the question?

Paul didn't say it was foolish. Where did you get that Paul said it was foolish?

Growing your hair out isn't an act of rebellion. In fact, if you study the subject. Its an act of submission.

Am I a Nazarite? Did Paul write to Christians or Nazarites? I don't see how that applies to this subject.

It has everything to do with the subject. The Nazarite was instructed to never cut his hair. Never. I want you to reconcile how God treated these "men"..... with "long hair"..... as being dear to him.... with what you believe about the subject.

Yes. Paul could have been writing to a NAzarite in Corinth. You're ignore the truth of the matter and "adding" to the what the Scriptures teach.

Paul said, "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? "

Noah Webster defines shame as, "A painful sensation excited by a consciousness of guilt, or of having done something which injures reputation; or by of that which nature nature or modesty prompts us to conceal. Shame is particularly excited by the disclosure of actions which, in the view of men, are mean and degrading. Hence it it is often or always manifested by a downcast look or by blushes, called confusion of face."

There you go. Noah defined the use of atimia in the first century. Do you know how "dumb" that is?

In fact, this word is only translated "shame".... once in the KJV. Once.

The proper translation of the Greek source is "dishonor". Not "shame". 

But. This won't end here. You created this post to argue and prove your point. So. Honestly. It would be a shame, or foolish, to post much more after this post.  8)

You can't take it.... what you believe is a lie. Truth always wins. Stick around. Deal with the truth.

Its rather simple what Paul is teaching. Paul is not forbidding long hair on men. He's making a logical argument of how a women should be submissive to her husband. The "hair" part was nothing more than an "cultural appeal" they could understand.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sure - long hair would bother most less. But. Isn't long hair basically the same as men adapting other things generally reserved for the female sex?

Nope. Nazarites had long hair. God liked their long hair. God loved Samson. God gave great power to Samson. Samson had long hair. John the Baptist had very long hair and Jesus said there was no one born that was greater than John.

God doesn't mind long hair on men.

The problem is your problem. Not God's.

By the way. Jesus had long hair and wore a full length seemless robe that would look much like what you would call a "dress" today.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Men should look like men, and women should look like women. We can create legalistic rules within our Church culture to try and protect, or simply teach our young girls and men that God isn't "UNISEX"

But. Ultimately. Is Jesus Christ the center of your hair style, or is it your self?

What about the Nazarite? Did a Nazarite look like a man?

I've never seen a man with long hair that looked like a women. I've never seen a women with short hair that looked like a man. I don't want to get into those things that distinguish a male from a female........ I'd say if you're past puberty you might have noticed a difference. I'm certain it wasn't about the "hair".  8)

God made us male and female. One distinguishment would be our hair length. I never said long hair would be a sin on a man - or short hair on a woman. I won't call it sin. But perhaps Paul is right calling it  foolish behavior.

Clearly when you see most men with long hair you still can determine they are men. But. Even most men wearing dresses look like men as well.

It is a matter of the heart.

I would never grow my hair out! I want to identify myself as a genuine man - proud to be a man as well. If I grow my hair I will identify with rebellion (some will see me as a sissy) - and I will begin to identify myself as the opposite sex. Just as much as if I wore a skirt, or put on makeup, or pierced my ear. I would be basically saying, "I am not proud to be a man - I am proud to be MYSELF! And whatever my self desires that will I proclaim!"

I suppose some might grow out of ignorance. But. That would be a different topic. Many people do wrong things out of ignorance.

I asked about the Nazarite. Do you mind answering the question?

Paul didn't say it was foolish. Where did you get that Paul said it was foolish?

Growing your hair out isn't an act of rebellion. In fact, if you study the subject. Its an act of submission.

Am I a Nazarite? Did Paul write to Christians or Nazarites? I don't see how that applies to this subject.

It has everything to do with the subject. The Nazarite was instructed to never cut his hair. Never. I want you to reconcile how God treated these "men"..... with "long hair"..... as being dear to him.... with what you believe about the subject.

Yes. Paul could have been writing to a NAzarite in Corinth. You're ignore the truth of the matter and "adding" to the what the Scriptures teach.

Paul said, "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? "

Noah Webster defines shame as, "A painful sensation excited by a consciousness of guilt, or of having done something which injures reputation; or by of that which nature nature or modesty prompts us to conceal. Shame is particularly excited by the disclosure of actions which, in the view of men, are mean and degrading. Hence it it is often or always manifested by a downcast look or by blushes, called confusion of face."

There you go. Noah defined the use of atimia in the first century. Do you know how "dumb" that is?

In fact, this word is only translated "shame".... once in the KJV. Once.

The proper translation of the Greek source is "dishonor". Not "shame". 

But. This won't end here. You created this post to argue and prove your point. So. Honestly. It would be a shame, or foolish, to post much more after this post.  8)

You can't take it.... what you believe is a lie. Truth always wins. Stick around. Deal with the truth.

Its rather simple what Paul is teaching. Paul is not forbidding long hair on men. He's making a logical argument of how a women should be submissive to her husband. The "hair" part was nothing more than an "cultural appeal" they could understand.

Funny. Even our sinful culture says a guy has "cleaned up" when he shaves, cuts his hair, and looks professional. It is unprofessional to have long hair in many corporate environments.

The Scripture weren't written based on our modern culture. Why are you basing the Scriptures on "modern culture".

Steve Job wore long hair for years. You ever heard of "Paul Mitchell"? Ever heard of "Richard Branson".

You're not doing very well in this. Maybe you need to change your mind.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sure - long hair would bother most less. But. Isn't long hair basically the same as men adapting other things generally reserved for the female sex?

Nope. Nazarites had long hair. God liked their long hair. God loved Samson. God gave great power to Samson. Samson had long hair. John the Baptist had very long hair and Jesus said there was no one born that was greater than John.

God doesn't mind long hair on men.

The problem is your problem. Not God's.

By the way. Jesus had long hair and wore a full length seemless robe that would look much like what you would call a "dress" today.

God also tolerated polygamy in the Bible. Yet. In the New Testament we learn a man should only have one wife. I suppose your logic would say it is okay for my wife to accept a second wife in our household - after all - God allowed it. But. It seems logical to assume God didn't like it all along.

Are you relegating the Nazarite to the "OT"?

That God "tolerated" the Nazarite? Is that what you're saying?

Don't make silly comparisons of Polygamy to "long hair".

You're failing Timmie....

 

[prophet]

Nazarites weren't allowed to shave their head, only shear it.
Good night, read the Scriptures.


Earnestly Contend

 

[subllibrm]

I know the scientific differences.

But. What if your son started wearing a dress? Or, a man at your Church started attending in a dress?

Would that bother you more or less than long hair?

Sure - long hair would bother most less. But. Isn't long hair basically the same as men adapting other things generally reserved for the female sex?

Um, no.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sure - long hair would bother most less. But. Isn't long hair basically the same as men adapting other things generally reserved for the female sex?

Nope. Nazarites had long hair. God liked their long hair. God loved Samson. God gave great power to Samson. Samson had long hair. John the Baptist had very long hair and Jesus said there was no one born that was greater than John.

God doesn't mind long hair on men.

The problem is your problem. Not God's.

By the way. Jesus had long hair and wore a full length seemless robe that would look much like what you would call a "dress" today.

God also tolerated polygamy in the Bible. Yet. In the New Testament we learn a man should only have one wife. I suppose your logic would say it is okay for my wife to accept a second wife in our household - after all - God allowed it. But. It seems logical to assume God didn't like it all along.

Are you relegating the Nazarite to the "OT"?

That God "tolerated" the Nazarite? Is that what you're saying?

Don't make silly comparisons of Polygamy to "long hair".

You're failing Timmie....

Not a silly comparison. Do you think it is okay for a Christian to practice polygamy?

According to your logic presented in regards to long hair, polygamy is okay.

Please.... I made no such connection. I made no such argument.

Where did I reference the Nazarite with Polygamy? Where did I reference Samson with polygamy?

Why are you being dishonest?

I've asked you plainly and you refuse to answer....

Are you saying the Nazarite was wrong and God overlooked the Nazarite's actions in the OT?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is log hair manly?

Why isn't it?

Is "baldness" manly?

 

[FSSL]

Is log hair manly?

Absolutely. Lumberjacks are tough!

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Where do you get the Nazarite  had long hair.

Ummmm......

Numbers 6:5

5 ??During the entire period of their Nazirite vow, no razor may be used on their head. They must be holy until the period of their dedication to the Lord is over; they must let their hair grow long.

Of course, this is from the satanic commie hippie NIV, so it could be wrong.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

I personally think a man with long hair is silly.

Well, most of us think the same way about you, so......

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sure - long hair would bother most less. But. Isn't long hair basically the same as men adapting other things generally reserved for the female sex?

Nope. Nazarites had long hair. God liked their long hair. God loved Samson. God gave great power to Samson. Samson had long hair. John the Baptist had very long hair and Jesus said there was no one born that was greater than John.

God doesn't mind long hair on men.

The problem is your problem. Not God's.

By the way. Jesus had long hair and wore a full length seemless robe that would look much like what you would call a "dress" today.

God also tolerated polygamy in the Bible. Yet. In the New Testament we learn a man should only have one wife. I suppose your logic would say it is okay for my wife to accept a second wife in our household - after all - God allowed it. But. It seems logical to assume God didn't like it all along.

Are you relegating the Nazarite to the "OT"?

That God "tolerated" the Nazarite? Is that what you're saying?

Don't make silly comparisons of Polygamy to "long hair".

You're failing Timmie....

Not a silly comparison. Do you think it is okay for a Christian to practice polygamy?

According to your logic presented in regards to long hair, polygamy is okay.

Please.... I made no such connection. I made no such argument.

Where did I reference the Nazarite with Polygamy? Where did I reference Samson with polygamy?

Why are you being dishonest?

I've asked you plainly and you refuse to answer....

Are you saying the Nazarite was wrong and God overlooked the Nazarite's actions in the OT?

You ignore what Paul said about long hair. He said, "it is a shame unto him"

A shame. It is foolish for a man to have long hair.

"no razor will touch his head" sounds more like it is wrong to shave head.

Where do you get the Nazarite  had long hair.

Paul didn't say "shame". Paul didn't speak "English". The proper translation is "dishonor". Which is exactly how its translated the majority of time in NT.

You really don't know your Bible do you?

Have you always just went by what you hear?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Where do you get the Nazarite  had long hair.

Ummmm......

Numbers 6:5

5 ??During the entire period of their Nazirite vow, no razor may be used on their head. They must be holy until the period of their dedication to the Lord is over; they must let their hair grow long.

Of course, this is from the satanic commie hippie NIV, so it could be wrong.

Thanks.

Yep. It says they must grow their hair long.

But. like I said a few post back. I never said it was a sin for a man to have long hair - just that is was foolish, or a shame.

I don't follow a Nazirite vow.

I personally think a man with long hair is silly. But. I suppose if he grows it for the Lord - well - who am I to judge.

You've already judged it "silly" or "foolish". Which is pretty close to calling it "sin".