Long Hair/Short Hair Male/Female

[praise_yeshua]

I personally think a man with long hair is silly.

Well, most of us think the same way about you, so......

Long hair can be dangerous also. Ask Absalom. LOL

Absalom didn't die from long hair. Absalom would have died either way. He just happened to get caught by the hair.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sure - long hair would bother most less. But. Isn't long hair basically the same as men adapting other things generally reserved for the female sex?

Nope. Nazarites had long hair. God liked their long hair. God loved Samson. God gave great power to Samson. Samson had long hair. John the Baptist had very long hair and Jesus said there was no one born that was greater than John.

God doesn't mind long hair on men.

The problem is your problem. Not God's.

By the way. Jesus had long hair and wore a full length seemless robe that would look much like what you would call a "dress" today.

God also tolerated polygamy in the Bible. Yet. In the New Testament we learn a man should only have one wife. I suppose your logic would say it is okay for my wife to accept a second wife in our household - after all - God allowed it. But. It seems logical to assume God didn't like it all along.

Are you relegating the Nazarite to the "OT"?

That God "tolerated" the Nazarite? Is that what you're saying?

Don't make silly comparisons of Polygamy to "long hair".

You're failing Timmie....

Not a silly comparison. Do you think it is okay for a Christian to practice polygamy?

According to your logic presented in regards to long hair, polygamy is okay.

Please.... I made no such connection. I made no such argument.

Where did I reference the Nazarite with Polygamy? Where did I reference Samson with polygamy?

Why are you being dishonest?

I've asked you plainly and you refuse to answer....

Are you saying the Nazarite was wrong and God overlooked the Nazarite's actions in the OT?

You ignore what Paul said about long hair. He said, "it is a shame unto him"

A shame. It is foolish for a man to have long hair.

"no razor will touch his head" sounds more like it is wrong to shave head.

Where do you get the Nazarite  had long hair.

Paul didn't say "shame". Paul didn't speak "English". The proper translation is "dishonor". Which is exactly how its translated the majority of time in NT.

You really don't know your Bible do you?

Have you always just went by what you hear?

Okay. So long hair is a dishonor. Isn't that a state of shame or disgrace?  ???

Apply the word "dishonor" in "context" of the verse mentioned. Its not about the long hair itself.

It wasn't a "dishonor" for a Nazarite to have long hair.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Paul was a fundie IFBxer who sported a high-and-tight.  It is to be understood why he felt like he did.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Context. Um. "common sense" - that can be gained by nature.

Kind of like, "Nature teaches you that when you listen to a bird singing at dawn in the midst of a storm you?ll begin to understand the real art of happiness ..."

You can look to nature and see something that is quite normal and common and understood.

In this case. The nature of woman and man. The hair of man isn't easily grown long - yet the woman finds it to be easy. Obviously their are exceptions. For some - long hair on a woman is just as common as her anatomy.

You're talking about two different meanings of nature here, Timmeh....which is it?  And your statement " The hair of man isn't easily grown long" is pure nonsense.

Most draw Eve with long hair. Adam with short.

Yeah, we all know Adam and Eve posed for their portrait in the garden.  :

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Okay. So why do people draw Adam with short hair and Eve with long in almost every illustration? You would think (if long hair on men and short on a woman was normal) at some point we would have variety! Adam with long flowing locks of hair and Eve with short hair.

Think about it, Timmeh.  Use the brain God gave you.  Most drawings of Adam and Eve depict them in the garden and are wishful fantasy. No one has a clue what they looked like. Do you really think that God created scissors or a razor for them in the beginning?  Do you really believe that Adam sat in God's barber chair every week to maintain his manly appearance?  Do you really think that hair length was even an issue back then?  Good grief, Timmeh.....

 

[FreeToBeMe]

I just realized something. Paul cut his hair!

Acts 18:18

"Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken."

What's your point?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Apply the word "dishonor" in "context" of the verse mentioned. Its not about the long hair itself.

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

Context. Um. "common sense" - that can be gained by nature.

Kind of like, "Nature teaches you that when you listen to a bird singing at dawn in the midst of a storm you?ll begin to understand the real art of happiness ..."

When Paul uses the word "nature". He isn't talking about the "natural order" of this world. He is speaking of design of God in creation. Paul is speaking about the relationship between male and female.

Again. Let me say that it wasn't a "dishonor of a Nazarite to have long hair.

In this case. The nature of woman and man. The hair of man isn't easily grown long - yet the woman finds it to be easy. Obviously their are exceptions. For some - long hair on a woman is just as common as her anatomy.

My mother had very thin hair that grew very slowly. When I was young. I have very thick hair that grew very fast. I had "prettier" hair than most any women. That has all changed since. There were girls in my high school that were jealous of my hair.

What you're saying isn't true. Its different for different people and it has nothing to do with male or female. There were a time when this might have been true. Say.... maybe earlier in the ancestry of Adam and Eve. We haven't gotten better. We've gotten worse.

Most draw Eve with long hair. Adam with short.

Who cares. Most people draw Jesus with long hair. I'm certain you wouldn't use that argument in such a case.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Um. How do you know God didn't give Adam hair cuts? What do you really know about the early man and woman? Could the original Adam even get sick? What exactly did the sin curse do to us? I agree - we don't know what they looked like, and we don't know how their DNA worked in that time period. Today we have multiple colors for skin. What was their skin color? Did Adams hair grow quickly? Did Eves grow faster? Do you really think God created man to not clean and wash his body and hair? Who taught him about soap, or even washing? Did they have bad body odor? Could God have given them instinct? instinct that caused Adam to cut his hair? Eve to allow it to grow?

So much we don't know.

You opened the door when you asked that incredibly moronic question:

Okay. So why do people draw Adam with short hair and Eve with long in almost every illustration?

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Who cares. Most people draw Jesus with long hair. I'm certain you wouldn't use that argument in such a case.

Yup, and then there's that....tell us, why do most people do that, Timmeh?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I just realized something. Paul cut his hair!

Acts 18:18

"Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken."

What's your point?

Exactly! Everything in scripture has a point. What is the point of mentioning this?

It wasn't Paul. It was Aquila. Which would represent the ending of the Nazarite vow he had once taken.

So Aguila had long hair Tim.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

Exactly! Everything in scripture has a point. What is the point of mentioning this?

???
Well, it's not to point out that all men should shave their head, that's for sure. 

 

[FreeToBeMe]

This is like trying to explain something to my 5-year-old grandson.  There's an excuse for him, though. 

 

[FreeToBeMe]

You act like I am the only person who believes this stuff. Like I invented it or something.

It's not what you believe, it's how inadequate you are in justifying it.  Like a child trying to explain why they believe in Santa.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I just realized something. Paul cut his hair!

Acts 18:18

"Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken."

What's your point?

Exactly! Everything in scripture has a point. What is the point of mentioning this?

It wasn't Paul. It was Aquila. Which would represent the ending of the Nazarite vow he had once taken.

So Aguila had long hair Tim.

And cut it. CUT IT!

Seriously. He didn't keep the hair style he sported - he CUT IT! He didn't like it, or knew it wasn't appropriate.

He cut it because the vow had either ended or started. I prefer to belief it had ended. Regardless. For a long time. How long we do not know. Aquila had long hair.

He didn't cut because he knew it was WRONG.

Why are you twisting the Scriptures?

 

[praise_yeshua]

This is like trying to explain something to my 5-year-old grandson.  There's an excuse for him, though.

You act like I am the only person who believes this stuff. Like I invented it or something.

Oh how you LOVE.....man made doctrine.....

Who cares who believes it. Is it true or not?

What you believe is at odds with the Scriptures and common sense.

 

[FreeToBeMe]

common sense.

Those are two words that should not be applied when you're trying to explain something to Timmeh!

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Define "long". 

 

[Bruh]

Define "long".

Past the natural hair line is long.

My former pastors definition.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Define "long".

Culturally speaking, A Jew or Greek male of the first century usually wore his hair from short to around the shoulders length or slightly down the back. Which, many would consider "long hair" today. I think its safe to say that Jesus wore his hair that long.

The female of the same generation generally wore her hair past her shoulders as far as the waist. I'm sure there were differences.

Some argue that Jews didn't grow their hair past the "palm" standard for male and "arm" standard for female. I have no idea what Scripture they base this upon.

I think its safe to say that what was considered "long" in previous cultures is different than what we see today in fundamentalist circles.

 

[Ransom]

f) Alas, I care not.