Mike Zachary being investigated?

[Walt]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

You are misinformed.  Go back to the original statements.  He molested the son of another staff member who may have been out age (making it not illegal).

The investigation was into how many pupils of his that he had  attempted to recruit for homosexual purposes, and if any were under age.
To the State of CA, this was simply a flamer music teacher, hitting on sissy music majors, at the College.
This crap happens in every School in CA, most likely.

To us, this is a wolf , preying on the sheep, and one to be warned about.

Of course, if we actually read Scriptures, we would know not to hire effeminate men, and this would never have come up.

Anybody besides me want to vomit every time they heard Zach speak?

Earnestly Contend

OK, well, this is clearly different, and not at all obvious from the statements that the school put out.

If this is true, then I agree that it is foolish of the pastor to hire a man with this kind of baggage.  Attend church - yes; be on staff, no.

 

[Bruh]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

 

[IFB X-Files]

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

The good news - RAIDER will play MZ in the movie.

 

[Walt]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

 

[Bruh]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

Why did he get fired?

 

[Walt]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

Why did he get fired?

He was  fired from WCBC, not GSBC.  WCBC stated that while being questioned by PC, MZ confessed to temptations and some actions that were not criminal.  Those confessions and the fact that he lied at the job interview (presumably about either the temptations or actions) led to the decision to let him go. That's all they have said... it could have been a relationship with a consenting adult, or it could have been some kind of web porn addiction.  But that's all the statement says.

 

[prophet]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

Why did he get fired?

He was  fired from WCBC, not GSBC.  WCBC stated that while being questioned by PC, MZ confessed to temptations and some actions that were not criminal.  Those confessions and the fact that he lied at the job interview (presumably about either the temptations or actions) led to the decision to let him go. That's all they have said... it could have been a relationship with a consenting adult, or it could have been some kind of web porn addiction.  But that's all the statement says.

The word "victims" was used, which eliminates: porn , and adults who were over 21 and not under his authority.

Earnestly Contend

 

[Teri in NC]

I have no knowledge about the validity of any facts or opinions here.

I do, however, find it hard to believe that MZ did anything that his wife did not give him permission to.

Man, I was more scared of her when I was at HAC than I was of CF. 

(And that's saying a lot.)

 

[bgwilkinson]

I have no knowledge about the validity of any facts or opinions here.

I do, however, find it hard to believe that MZ did anything that his wife did not give him permission to.

Man, I was more scared of her when I was at HAC than I was of CF. 

(And that's saying a lot.)

Wow. Angie was very kind to both my wife and me.

 

[Teri in NC]

I have no knowledge about the validity of any facts or opinions here.

I do, however, find it hard to believe that MZ did anything that his wife did not give him permission to.

Man, I was more scared of her when I was at HAC than I was of CF. 

(And that's saying a lot.)

Wow. Angie was very kind to both my wife and me.

If you were a non-singing dorm student that was friends with Mike's sister, she wasn't. 

 

[Walt]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

Why did he get fired?

He was  fired from WCBC, not GSBC.  WCBC stated that while being questioned by PC, MZ confessed to temptations and some actions that were not criminal.  Those confessions and the fact that he lied at the job interview (presumably about either the temptations or actions) led to the decision to let him go. That's all they have said... it could have been a relationship with a consenting adult, or it could have been some kind of web porn addiction.  But that's all the statement says.

The word "victims" was used, which eliminates: porn , and adults who were over 21 and not under his authority.

Earnestly Contend

WCBC statement: We know of no victims of any actions of Dr. Zachary
GSBC statement:  Please pray for the victims in this sad situation

These are the only uses of "victim" in the statements.  They appear to contradict.  However, there could be victims of which WCBC is unaware; another point of view is that GSBC considers his wife and children to be "victims" of whatever happened.  I tend to lean more toward believing WCBC, mostly because of this statement from the GSBC:  Dr. Trieber suggested that Dr. Chappell not interfere with the police investigation, which seems to be pretty arrogant and self-aggrandizing.

 

[Walt]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

Why did he get fired?

According to PC, he was fired from WCBC because of (1) lying on his interview (2) the temptations and actions (unspecified) to which he confessed, none of which involved victims, they say.

He was never fired form GSBC; my understanding of the published info is that he left to get a "better" job.

 

[prophet]

May I kindly suggest replacing your hearing-aid battery.

So here's a very accomplished pianist who was booted from2 Christian ministries and you see no issue with him working in a third?  At a minimum, Doug Fisher shows lack of wisdom.  If Zachary has "temptations" again, and Doug is aware of his past, it is trouble for him.  Sorry, Mike, you're good, but not worth the risk.

My understanding is that he left NVBC for a better position at LBC.  He was not "booted" from NVBC. Per the LBC statement, he lied during his interview with LBC, and whatever he confessed to was enough for them to "boot" him.  They aren't talking about what MZ confessed to, but it was not anything illegal, they claim (my guess was perhaps going to inappropriate web sites - if so, I presume that his web surfing is now monitored).

So, what is the risk? That he "might" give in and actually do something illegal, when he has exercised sufficient self-control before?  Sounds like he is being condemned for what "might" happen.

And doing so, "might" be protecting others.

Granted, but by that logic, one should never hire anyone, because they "might" turn out to be a  molester.

No.

MZ confessed to some serious stuff.

You have knowledge I don't have - it wasn't clear what he had confessed to.

That would  change quite a bit.

Why did he get fired?

He was  fired from WCBC, not GSBC.  WCBC stated that while being questioned by PC, MZ confessed to temptations and some actions that were not criminal.  Those confessions and the fact that he lied at the job interview (presumably about either the temptations or actions) led to the decision to let him go. That's all they have said... it could have been a relationship with a consenting adult, or it could have been some kind of web porn addiction.  But that's all the statement says.

The word "victims" was used, which eliminates: porn , and adults who were over 21 and not under his authority.

Earnestly Contend

WCBC statement: We know of no victims of any actions of Dr. Zachary
GSBC statement:  Please pray for the victims in this sad situation

These are the only uses of "victim" in the statements.  They appear to contradict.  However, there could be victims of which WCBC is unaware; another point of view is that GSBC considers his wife and children to be "victims" of whatever happened.  I tend to lean more toward believing WCBC, mostly because of this statement from the GSBC:  Dr. Trieber suggested that Dr. Chappell not interfere with the police investigation, which seems to be pretty arrogant and self-aggrandizing.

"Victims" refers to the music students ( College for sure, H.S. possibly) that he recruited for whatever sick purpose he has, that were under his care, hence possibly a law violation.

Since the police dropped it, we can assume that only adults, and only  consenting ones, at that, were involved.
California, especially in the Bay Area, would consider this normal, and actually be on Zach's side in this situation.
Try to find a college music teacher who isnt a flamer, out there.

My guess is, as I have observed this same thing at several Bible Colleges, is that these students showed up queer, and their home church just didn't want to notice.  So, to us this is abominable, but in the scheme of things outside of the church, it is now "cool".

Earnestly Contend