My pastor is on the Ashley Madison list

Wait. I thought only IFB guys did this kind of thing... You mean Satan attacks other people too? You mean other people are human too? You mean the IFB system of doctrine and practice is not inherently evil?

...naw, that can't be. There must be some other answer.

:eek:
 
On a more serious note it breaks my heart for the millions of people involved. And it breaks my heart for my country that tens of millions of people paid money in order to have a better chance at adultery. We aren't talking about people that got caught up in a one time situation. We are talking about people that went looking for that situation.

Our culture is morally bankrupt. Period.
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
brianb said:
Article by Ed Stetzer on CT.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2015/august/my-pastor-is-on-ashley-madison-list.html
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"Many likely signed themselves up and didn't actually go through with adultery."

How many wives are likely to say, "Whew, what a relief!  At least you didn't go through with it."  Assuming, of course, the wife can trust what her husband says at that point.
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Wife: Husband, enter the dog house

(If they are lucky).
 
Tom Brennan said:
On a more serious note it breaks my heart for the millions of people involved. And it breaks my heart for my country that tens of millions of people paid money in order to have a better chance at adultery. We aren't talking about people that got caught up in a one time situation. We are talking about people that went looking for that situation.

Our culture is morally bankrupt. Period.
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I'd like to say this whole thing makes my heart break for the sin of the world, but I didn't just start feeling that way.  Where this is concerned, my heart breaks first for the people who were betrayed.  Second for the people who betrayed them if they come to repentance, because many of them will still be haunted by their guilt.  Ideally, repentance and forgiveness frees you from the guilt of your sins, but that's not a common human experience, I think.  Or maybe it's just me.

I also wonder if "getting caught leads to repentance" is a Biblical concept.  Maybe the woman caught in adultery.  I don't know.

 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Tom Brennan said:
On a more serious note it breaks my heart for the millions of people involved. And it breaks my heart for my country that tens of millions of people paid money in order to have a better chance at adultery. We aren't talking about people that got caught up in a one time situation. We are talking about people that went looking for that situation.

Our culture is morally bankrupt. Period.
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I'd like to say this whole thing makes my heart break for the sin of the world, but I didn't just start feeling that way.  Where this is concerned, my heart breaks first for the people who were betrayed.  Second for the people who betrayed them if they come to repentance, because many of them will still be haunted by their guilt.  Ideally, repentance and forgiveness frees you from the guilt of your sins, but that's not a common human experience, I think.  Or maybe it's just me.

I also wonder if "getting caught leads to repentance" is a Biblical concept.  Maybe the woman caught in adultery.  I don't know.
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Sometimes getting caught is the only thing that will work. David got caught by Nathan. Don't play with sin like it's a good thing - sin is always made to look good. It's not always the case you will feel immediate guilt or want to repent after committing a sin such as viewing porn or sleeping with someone not your spouse. One has to be filled with the Spirit and be daily and strategically in God's word. If the problem is adultery read Proverbs - memorize and apply it.
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Tom Brennan said:
On a more serious note it breaks my heart for the millions of people involved. And it breaks my heart for my country that tens of millions of people paid money in order to have a better chance at adultery. We aren't talking about people that got caught up in a one time situation. We are talking about people that went looking for that situation.

Our culture is morally bankrupt. Period.
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I'd like to say this whole thing makes my heart break for the sin of the world, but I didn't just start feeling that way.  Where this is concerned, my heart breaks first for the people who were betrayed.  Second for the people who betrayed them if they come to repentance, because many of them will still be haunted by their guilt.  Ideally, repentance and forgiveness frees you from the guilt of your sins, but that's not a common human experience, I think.  Or maybe it's just me.

I also wonder if "getting caught leads to repentance" is a Biblical concept.  Maybe the woman caught in adultery.  I don't know.
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IMHO Sexual Sin is often a contributor to Salvation so I suspect some will get saved. Then they'll be used as instruments to getting their wives saved. So what becomes the best experience of a persons life is going to overshadow the fleshly guilt since their new life is focused on HIM, and not self. JMHO. It becomes desperation to get their spouse saved.

It seems hardly anyone would bother to download millions of names just to see if they know someone on the list. My bet is this is just alot of media hype. It's been reported most of those names are fake anyhow, and a good chunk are people are probably using other peoples names they dislike. Less than 2000 real females joined Ashely Madison out of the millions of names. Ashley Madison created those female accounts themselves. Very few females ( physically weaker vessels) imho, are going to go out and meet some male stranger for sex. That's a hella good way to get yourself killed, raped, maimed, etc...

 
Biker said:
The Rogue Tomato said:
Tom Brennan said:
On a more serious note it breaks my heart for the millions of people involved. And it breaks my heart for my country that tens of millions of people paid money in order to have a better chance at adultery. We aren't talking about people that got caught up in a one time situation. We are talking about people that went looking for that situation.

Our culture is morally bankrupt. Period.
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I'd like to say this whole thing makes my heart break for the sin of the world, but I didn't just start feeling that way.  Where this is concerned, my heart breaks first for the people who were betrayed.  Second for the people who betrayed them if they come to repentance, because many of them will still be haunted by their guilt.  Ideally, repentance and forgiveness frees you from the guilt of your sins, but that's not a common human experience, I think.  Or maybe it's just me.

I also wonder if "getting caught leads to repentance" is a Biblical concept.  Maybe the woman caught in adultery.  I don't know.
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IMHO Sexual Sin is often a contributor to Salvation so I suspect some will get saved. Then they'll be used as instruments to getting their wives saved. So what becomes the best experience of a persons life is going to overshadow the fleshly guilt since their new life is focused on HIM, and not self. JMHO. It becomes desperation to get their spouse saved.

It seems hardly anyone would bother to download millions of names just to see if they know someone on the list. My bet is this is just alot of media hype. It's been reported most of those names are fake anyhow, and a good chunk are people are probably using other peoples names they dislike. Less than 2000 real females joined Ashely Madison out of the millions of names. Ashley Madison created those female accounts themselves. Very few females ( physically weaker vessels) imho, are going to go out and meet some male stranger for sex. That's a hella good way to get yourself killed, raped, maimed, etc...
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It's like the spam sex dating emails I get. All fake. No way those girls live in my city.  You might find some at a club or walking the streets at night as hookers but most girls I often see are with their boyfriends. Monogamy is what most want whether they marry or not. Our culture sees the value of monogamy so these professing Christians who think they are being cool should realize they are not. Monogamy is cool. This isn't the 60's.
 
brianb said:
Monogamy is cool.
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I shall use this upon my FB wall!

BTW I was monogamous before monogamous was cool.  ;)
 
Tom Brennan said:
Wait. I thought only IFB guys did this kind of thing... You mean Satan attacks other people too? You mean other people are human too? You mean the IFB system of doctrine and practice is not inherently evil?

...naw, that can't be. There must be some other answer.

:eek:
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Of course it isn't limited to the IFB world. But the IFB world is unique in how they deny, deflect and decline to deal with such things immediately. The demand for 2 or more witnesses to hear a molestation charge is a prime example. As if that were even possible.

The habit moving the offender to another ministry without confessing to the church he is leaving or warning the church he is going to (okay, you got me; the Catholics have this one down too). The insistence that the victim has some culpability may be the worst of the symptoms. Hephzibah House ring a bell? The gal relocated to Colorado while the molester got to stay and be "restored" seem like a good idea?

In the OP article, the author predicts 400+ resignation this Sunday. I wonder how many of them will have a new pastor gig and radio show in six months. I wonder how many of them will claim that they are actually just victims of a DOEG attack.
 
Has anyone checked out pastor marty and The Real Felon?  :)
 
Tom Brennan said:
Wait. I thought only IFB guys did this kind of thing... You mean Satan attacks other people too? You mean other people are human too? You mean the IFB system of doctrine and practice is not inherently evil?
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Oh, good grief, Tom. Did anyone ever say that sexual scandal didn't happen in other churches?

No, but the difference is that other denominations seem to have effective mechanisms in place to deal with the scandal and remove the lothario from the pulpit.

By contrast, IFB sex scandals just get covered up by the offender being moved by his influential father into another church, or suddenly feeling "called" to be a missionary, or moving to Florida and becoming a youth pastor and radio host. Because, hey, you're all "independent," right? It's none of your business if the Man Uh Gawd was bonking teenagers in that other church.
 
Ransom said:
Tom Brennan said:
Wait. I thought only IFB guys did this kind of thing... You mean Satan attacks other people too? You mean other people are human too? You mean the IFB system of doctrine and practice is not inherently evil?
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Oh, good grief, Tom. Did anyone ever say that sexual scandal didn't happen in other churches?

No, but the difference is that other denominations seem to have effective mechanisms in place to deal with the scandal and remove the lothario from the pulpit.

By contrast, IFB sex scandals just get covered up by the offender being moved by his influential father into another church, or suddenly feeling "called" to be a missionary, or moving to Florida and becoming a youth pastor and radio host. Because, hey, you're all "independent," right? It's none of your business if the Man Uh Gawd was bonking teenagers in that other church.
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Tom Brennan preached strongly against the specific cases you mention and strongly condemned the IFB for not soundly condemning such practices.
 
Walt said:
Ransom said:
Tom Brennan said:
Wait. I thought only IFB guys did this kind of thing... You mean Satan attacks other people too? You mean other people are human too? You mean the IFB system of doctrine and practice is not inherently evil?
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Oh, good grief, Tom. Did anyone ever say that sexual scandal didn't happen in other churches?

No, but the difference is that other denominations seem to have effective mechanisms in place to deal with the scandal and remove the lothario from the pulpit.

By contrast, IFB sex scandals just get covered up by the offender being moved by his influential father into another church, or suddenly feeling "called" to be a missionary, or moving to Florida and becoming a youth pastor and radio host. Because, hey, you're all "independent," right? It's none of your business if the Man Uh Gawd was bonking teenagers in that other church.
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Tom Brennan preached strongly against the specific cases you mention and strongly condemned the IFB for not soundly condemning such practices.
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You can't strongly condemn the IFB. You can't even define or locate "the IFB". There is nothing/no one to condemn because they are all one-off independent organizations that answer to no one but themselves (and in theory, God). So if Tom preached against those cases it meant absolutely nothing because he has no standing or authority to speak to them about their situation.

Isn't the independence of no universal church wonderful?
 
Walt said:
Tom Brennan preached strongly against the specific cases you mention and strongly condemned the IFB for not soundly condemning such practices.
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And? That's beside the point.
 
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