NFL ratings tank...

[LongGone]

If you are correct that the driver behind ratings for the NFL are going down primarily due to the players kneeling during the anthem...then why have the ratings been going down for 5 years and the ratings for Monday Night Football are up over last year.

If you can find in my statement where I gave any indication as to what I believe the PRIMARY reason is for the decline I'd be glad to attempt to defend said reason.    What I did say was that the NFL can keep trying to find reasons OTHER than the Anthem protests, but they do so to the detriment of their own profit margins.  That is plain for all to see, painfully so.

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.  There are other reasons because the ratings have gone down the last five years but Monday Night Football is up this year over last. Also they are not anthem protests...the anthem is being protested but they are trying to bring attention to racial inequality.  The kneeling of players during the protest has some impact on ratings but you and I don't know how much. If they forbid the kneeling you do not know if an equal number of people would stop watching because they agree with the players or they believe players should have the right to make their statement. 

 

[Recovering IFB]

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.  There are other reasons because the ratings have gone down the last five years but Monday Night Football is up this year over last. Also they are not anthem protests...the anthem is being protested but they are trying to bring attention to racial inequality.  The kneeling of players during the protest has some impact on ratings but you and I don't know how much. If they forbid the kneeling you do not know if an equal number of people would stop watching because they agree with the players or they believe players should have the right to make their statement.

can't say that to the crowd here, their feeling are too hurt that their god was insulted by the "darkies".....most people on FF don't care about racial inequality. It's not in their sacred writings, "The Way Things Ought To Be".  Blacks being clipped by the police department, no matter how injustice it is, couldn't concern them in the least bit. It will take the AA community to start puling their pants up, cutting their breads and stop listening to that rap music before anyone on here would lift a finger to help....

but as you said earlier, most of the people ranting that I know , aren't really football fans to begin with.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/hey-nfl-bears-packers-game-half-empty-soldier-field-aint-good-folks/

2 teams not going anywhere; on a cold rainy day where half of the people are watching from the suites, where there is food and drinks. But hey, if that makes  your god happy.
Besides, the money has already been made by season ticket sales. But hey, that doesn?t feed the narrative now does it? LOL

The money has already been made via TV contracts...and the ratings are indeed tanking. But that doesn?t feed your narrative now does it? LOL

You illustrate that "De Nile Is Not Just a River in Egypt". 

Let the butthurt flow,..........

How's your pastor trump doing?? did he repeal ObamaCare yet?

Nice dodge.
The ratings and attendance are way down.
The protests are a major factor.
The NFL is responding accordingly.

But that doesn?t fit YOUR narrative does it? LOL! 

My hope isn't in the military, or trump, or rushbo, or Faux News or the gods you serve....
but I truly wish and regret that I don't know you personally so that one day, I can see the look on your face when you realize, all this time, YOU have been the true liberal all along......
But when false preachers such as yourself keep pointing the church to these false idols, we will never see repentance in our country......repent and believe the Gospel!!

The irony that someone who follows North lecturing me on politics....
What god do I serve?
Since you have the gift of judgment...no doubt bestowed by the gods you serve.
You, North and Rushdoony will bring in your Kingdom by the end of the season....assuming North and Rushdoony don't kill each other.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If you are correct that the driver behind ratings for the NFL are going down primarily due to the players kneeling during the anthem...then why have the ratings been going down for 5 years and the ratings for Monday Night Football are up over last year.

If you can find in my statement where I gave any indication as to what I believe the PRIMARY reason is for the decline I'd be glad to attempt to defend said reason.    What I did say was that the NFL can keep trying to find reasons OTHER than the Anthem protests, but they do so to the detriment of their own profit margins.  That is plain for all to see, painfully so.

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.  There are other reasons because the ratings have gone down the last five years but Monday Night Football is up this year over last. Also they are not anthem protests...the anthem is being protested but they are trying to bring attention to racial inequality.  The kneeling of players during the protest has some impact on ratings but you and I don't know how much. If they forbid the kneeling you do not know if an equal number of people would stop watching because they agree with the players or they believe players should have the right to make their statement.

You are correct that we have no way of measuring the impact of the anthem on ratings...but it appears to me the NFL powers that be are acting as if they have a large impact.

 

[ALAYMAN]

first; this was never about the military.

If it's not a disrespect to those in uniform then find another time (not on the company dime by the way) to voice their grievances.

Problem solved.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.

Could be you have a reading comprehension problem.  The point of the Islamic spoof was that the media (left) always suppresses the potential connection of Islam to terrorism when we have a terroristic event, until they are at last forced to admit it when confronted with overwhelming evidence.  Connecting the dots, the left wants to plug their ears and say that the obvious exodus of viewers is due to any and all things BUT the protests.  Enjoy sticking that head in the sand, but don't for a moment think that ignorance is actually bliss.  They have the right to protest as they see fit (so long as the cowardly owners pander to the politically correct), and fans have the right to vote with taking their viewership elsewhere.  America is great that way, freedom of speech and all.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.  There are other reasons because the ratings have gone down the last five years but Monday Night Football is up this year over last. Also they are not anthem protests...the anthem is being protested but they are trying to bring attention to racial inequality.  The kneeling of players during the protest has some impact on ratings but you and I don't know how much. If they forbid the kneeling you do not know if an equal number of people would stop watching because they agree with the players or they believe players should have the right to make their statement.

can't say that to the crowd here, their feeling are too hurt that their god was insulted by the "darkies".....most people on FF don't care about racial inequality. It's not in their sacred writings, "The Way Things Ought To Be".  Blacks being clipped by the police department, no matter how injustice it is, couldn't concern them in the least bit. It will take the AA community to start puling their pants up, cutting their breads and stop listening to that rap music before anyone on here would lift a finger to help....

but as you said earlier, most of the people ranting that I know , aren't really football fans to begin with.

Like many other lifelong sports enthusiasts (unfortunately a Bungles fan since childhood) you and the NFL ignore the voice of a large segment of the population to your own peril.

And a white man playing the race card is just droll.  They have every right to make a plea for social justice, just not at such a disrespectful moment and on the company dime.  Freedom of speech don't mean you can say whatever you want wherever you want.

 

[ALAYMAN]

'Anthem protests show what's wrong with NFL players, not U.S.'

 

[LongGone]

first; this was never about the military.

If it's not a disrespect to those in uniform then find another time (not on the company dime by the way) to voice their grievances.

Problem solved.

You would find another time and so would I to be honest. You may not like the players kneeling but only they know if they are doing it to disrespect men and women in uniform. Both of my sons are active duty officers and neither feels they are being disrespected. They believe the right to free speech is more important than whether or not players stand or kneel for the anthem. They serve so people have the right to protest. If you own a company you can make the decision about what your employees can do. The NFL and the Players Association have agreed to allow it without penalty.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-colin-kaepernick-green-beret-20160902-snap-htmlstory.html

 

[LongGone]

If you are correct that the driver behind ratings for the NFL are going down primarily due to the players kneeling during the anthem...then why have the ratings been going down for 5 years and the ratings for Monday Night Football are up over last year.

If you can find in my statement where I gave any indication as to what I believe the PRIMARY reason is for the decline I'd be glad to attempt to defend said reason.    What I did say was that the NFL can keep trying to find reasons OTHER than the Anthem protests, but they do so to the detriment of their own profit margins.  That is plain for all to see, painfully so.

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.  There are other reasons because the ratings have gone down the last five years but Monday Night Football is up this year over last. Also they are not anthem protests...the anthem is being protested but they are trying to bring attention to racial inequality.  The kneeling of players during the protest has some impact on ratings but you and I don't know how much. If they forbid the kneeling you do not know if an equal number of people would stop watching because they agree with the players or they believe players should have the right to make their statement.

You are correct that we have no way of measuring the impact of the anthem on ratings...but it appears to me the NFL powers that be are acting as if they have a large impact.

In what way since they have chosen to allow it?

 

[LongGone]

Although a lame analogy you used that is what a rational person would infer from it.

Could be you have a reading comprehension problem.  The point of the Islamic spoof was that the media (left) always suppresses the potential connection of Islam to terrorism when we have a terroristic event, until they are at last forced to admit it when confronted with overwhelming evidence.  Connecting the dots, the left wants to plug their ears and say that the obvious exodus of viewers is due to any and all things BUT the protests.  Enjoy sticking that head in the sand, but don't for a moment think that ignorance is actually bliss.  They have the right to protest as they see fit (so long as the cowardly owners pander to the politically correct), and fans have the right to vote with taking their viewership elsewhere.  America is great that way, freedom of speech and all.

I understand what you wrote but it doesn't make your analogy any less lame and truthfully stupid. Give me an example of when the media has suppressed the connection to Islam when there has been a terrorist event that was carried out by fundamentalist Islamic groups.

You have no argument with me that people have the right to not watch NFL football because of what players are doing. What does not make sense is to imply that the kneeling is the primary cause when the ratings have been declining for 5 years but at the same time Monday Night Football ratings are up this year over last year. Also realize that there are fans who would refuse to watch if players were penalized for kneeling because they feel strongly about the issue of racial inequality.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I understand what you wrote but it doesn't make your analogy any less lame and truthfully stupid.

uhhh, what's next......"I know you are but what am I"?

Give me an example of when the media has suppressed the connection to Islam when there has been a terrorist event that was carried out by fundamentalist Islamic groups.

here

You have no argument with me that people have the right to not watch NFL football because of what players are doing. What does not make sense is to imply that the kneeling is the primary cause when the ratings have been declining for 5 years but at the same time Monday Night Football ratings are up this year over last year. Also realize that there are fans who would refuse to watch if players were penalized for kneeling because they feel strongly about the issue of racial inequality.

I don't think that they should be so obstinate as to force the NFL to make a rule.  They should simply find a different time to do it.  Stay in the tunnel for all I care.  Ultimately, many disgusted Americans are not actually real political, and don't care for the politicization of their entertainment.  The brats should listen to those that are paying their checks.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Anheuser-Busch, Papa Johns and Directv are but a few of the corporations that are starting to feel the economic pinch of the ratings decline.  Some estimates are a $500 million dollar loss hanging on the exodus. 

 

[LongGone]

Anheuser-Busch, Papa Johns and Directv are but a few of the corporations that are starting to feel the economic pinch of the ratings decline.  Some estimates are a $500 million dollar loss hanging on the exodus.

You do realize that the article said that the reason for the ratings decline was not the protests.

 

[LongGone]

I understand what you wrote but it doesn't make your analogy any less lame and truthfully stupid.

uhhh, what's next......"I know you are but what am I"?

Give me an example of when the media has suppressed the connection to Islam when there has been a terrorist event that was carried out by fundamentalist Islamic groups.

here

You have no argument with me that people have the right to not watch NFL football because of what players are doing. What does not make sense is to imply that the kneeling is the primary cause when the ratings have been declining for 5 years but at the same time Monday Night Football ratings are up this year over last year. Also realize that there are fans who would refuse to watch if players were penalized for kneeling because they feel strongly about the issue of racial inequality.

I don't think that they should be so obstinate as to force the NFL to make a rule.  They should simply find a different time to do it.  Stay in the tunnel for all I care.  Ultimately, many disgusted Americans are not actually real political, and don't care for the politicization of their entertainment.  The brats should listen to those that are paying their checks.

1. I think your analogy and lame and stupid and you think I lack reading comprehension. Sounds like we are pretty even.

2. You did not post an example. What you posted was a Fox News opinion piece. Not that this isn't bias there :

3. Your article states ABC did not provide facts but they are all there in a November 1 article easily found with google.

4. Your article states CBS did not provide facts but they are all there in a October 31 article easily found with google.  This article included he yelled "Allahu Akbar" and there was a not in the truck making a reference to ISIS.

5. Your article states CNN did not provide facts but they are all there in a article updated on November 1. This article includes information that there have been 15 vehicular attacks in the West bu jihadist terrorists. Also includes the "Allahu Akbar" statement. Also includes not making reference to ISIS.

6. HuffPost had a November 1 article explaining  How Uzbekistan became a hotbed for violent extremism and radicalism. In addition to the NY killing it gave details on similar killings in Istanbul and Stockholm.

7. The New York Times articles point out that many Muslims use "Allahu Akbar" for many reasons that have nothing to do with jihadist terrorists. What is wrong with providing people with that information.

8. The other New York Times article was making the case that 56 people killed by a white guy in Vegas is as much terrorism as a Muslim killing 8 people in NYC. I didn't see it as downplaying. Both were tragic. One brought more tragedy than the other.

9. Rest of the article is his opinion. We all have one. None of it demonstrates the media suppresses connection to radical Islam. You may not like the media tries to be fair and balanced

10. You calling the NFL players brats demonstrates that you have no understanding of the inequality they are protesting. This is not just being obstinate. They believe in what they are protesting whether you agree with them or not.

11. There are also Americans who agree with the players. There are Americans who believe athletes should use the platform they have given to stand for what they believe in and do there part to make the world a better place. These Americans also are paying their checks. Also don't you believe that a person should do what they believe is right in spite of the financial consequences?

 

[ALAYMAN]

You do realize that the article said that the reason for the ratings decline was not the protests.

You do realize that #4 in his list of reasons was the protests don't you?  Like I said in a the other post, maybe it's a reading comprehension issue.  The point of the article primarily was the economic price to pay by the NFL is potentially steep and they better make sure what's causing it and get it corrected or they are going to lose more sponsors and revenue.  Secondarily, in the author's opinion, he acknowledged the possible connection of loss of revenue to the protests. 

I've seen a pattern with you in your time here.  You attempt to make arguments that amount to the "death of a 1000 qualifications", and you tend to downplay or ignore evidence to the contrary of whatever side you take (usually a left leaning side).  It's good to have both perspectives in any discussion, but intellectual honesty in dealing with what other people say is important.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I started to answer your challenges one by one, but it just ain't worth it because your arguments ignore simple facts and spin things so unreasobably.  Take for instance your use of the word "terrorism" in relation to the Vegas killing.  You use equivocation when you define what happened in that shooting.  There is no known motive in the killings, and there is certainly no indication that he was attempting to subverting the government.

Your counterpoints as to the suppression of links to radical Islamic terrorism amount to stating that "eventually the truth comes out".  Well duh, when enough conservative organizations reveal the reality of the facts in evidence the liberal reporting agencies would be suicidal or begging to be relegated to the dustbin of irrelevance  to not admit that they are spinning the story.

And as far as the protests, they very well may have some legitimate grievances about social justice.  I think that a conversation about the issues is good.  But there's a right and wrong season for everything.  I think that's in the Bible somewhere.  They'd (collectively, as the brotherhood they proclaim to be) do well to not only start the conversation in the right place and time, but do something more than take a knee or hold a fist in the air.  Put their money and time where their mouth is and go into these communities and re-invest something tangible.  Faith without works is dead.

1. I think your analogy and lame and stupid and you think I lack reading comprehension. Sounds like we are pretty even.

2. You did not post an example. What you posted was a Fox News opinion piece. Not that this isn't bias there :

3. Your article states ABC did not provide facts but they are all there in a November 1 article easily found with google.

4. Your article states CBS did not provide facts but they are all there in a October 31 article easily found with google.  This article included he yelled "Allahu Akbar" and there was a not in the truck making a reference to ISIS.

5. Your article states CNN did not provide facts but they are all there in a article updated on November 1. This article includes information that there have been 15 vehicular attacks in the West bu jihadist terrorists. Also includes the "Allahu Akbar" statement. Also includes not making reference to ISIS.

6. HuffPost had a November 1 article explaining  How Uzbekistan became a hotbed for violent extremism and radicalism. In addition to the NY killing it gave details on similar killings in Istanbul and Stockholm.

7. The New York Times articles point out that many Muslims use "Allahu Akbar" for many reasons that have nothing to do with jihadist terrorists. What is wrong with providing people with that information.

8. The other New York Times article was making the case that 56 people killed by a white guy in Vegas is as much terrorism as a Muslim killing 8 people in NYC. I didn't see it as downplaying. Both were tragic. One brought more tragedy than the other.

9. Rest of the article is his opinion. We all have one. None of it demonstrates the media suppresses connection to radical Islam. You may not like the media tries to be fair and balanced

10. You calling the NFL players brats demonstrates that you have no understanding of the inequality they are protesting. This is not just being obstinate. They believe in what they are protesting whether you agree with them or not.

11. There are also Americans who agree with the players. There are Americans who believe athletes should use the platform they have given to stand for what they believe in and do there part to make the world a better place. These Americans also are paying their checks. Also don't you believe that a person should do what they believe is right in spite of the financial consequences?

 

[LongGone]

You do realize that the article said that the reason for the ratings decline was not the protests.

You do realize that #4 in his list of reasons was the protests don't you?  Like I said in a the other post, maybe it's a reading comprehension issue.  The point of the article primarily was the economic price to pay by the NFL is potentially steep and they better make sure what's causing it and get it corrected or they are going to lose more sponsors and revenue.  Secondarily, in the author's opinion, he acknowledged the possible connection of loss of revenue to the protests. 

I've seen a pattern with you in your time here.  You attempt to make arguments that amount to the "death of a 1000 qualifications", and you tend to downplay or ignore evidence to the contrary of whatever side you take (usually a left leaning side).  It's good to have both perspectives in any discussion, but intellectual honesty in dealing with what other people say is important.

While the protest has received the majority of the media attention and the league and TV partners definitely believe it?s an issue, they don?t believe the protest is the reason for the substantial drop in ratings by itself.

That is the exact quote from the article. I think you may have the reading comprehension problem.

You have seen a pattern in my time here...I have been posting on the original forum since January 2001.

IMHO you are the one that has trouble with intellectually honestly. I went though the article that you posted and gave real facts on why I disagreed with the author and where I felt he was not being honest. I used the actual sources that he quoted.  You answer is I ignore simple facts and spin things so unreasonably. That is not being intellectually honest.

 

[LongGone]

I started to answer your challenges one by one, but it just ain't worth it because your arguments ignore simple facts and spin things so unreasobably.  Take for instance your use of the word "terrorism" in relation to the Vegas killing.  You use equivocation when you define what happened in that shooting.  There is no known motive in the killings, and there is certainly no indication that he was attempting to subverting the government.

Your counterpoints as to the suppression of links to radical Islamic terrorism amount to stating that "eventually the truth comes out".  Well duh, when enough conservative organizations reveal the reality of the facts in evidence the liberal reporting agencies would be suicidal or begging to be relegated to the dustbin of irrelevance  to not admit that they are spinning the story.

And as far as the protests, they very well may have some legitimate grievances about social justice.  I think that a conversation about the issues is good.  But there's a right and wrong season for everything.  I think that's in the Bible somewhere.  They'd (collectively, as the brotherhood they proclaim to be) do well to not only start the conversation in the right place and time, but do something more than take a knee or hold a fist in the air.  Put their money and time where their mouth is and go into these communities and re-invest something tangible.  Faith without works is dead.

1. I think your analogy and lame and stupid and you think I lack reading comprehension. Sounds like we are pretty even.

2. You did not post an example. What you posted was a Fox News opinion piece. Not that this isn't bias there :

3. Your article states ABC did not provide facts but they are all there in a November 1 article easily found with google.

4. Your article states CBS did not provide facts but they are all there in a October 31 article easily found with google.  This article included he yelled "Allahu Akbar" and there was a not in the truck making a reference to ISIS.

5. Your article states CNN did not provide facts but they are all there in a article updated on November 1. This article includes information that there have been 15 vehicular attacks in the West bu jihadist terrorists. Also includes the "Allahu Akbar" statement. Also includes not making reference to ISIS.

6. HuffPost had a November 1 article explaining  How Uzbekistan became a hotbed for violent extremism and radicalism. In addition to the NY killing it gave details on similar killings in Istanbul and Stockholm.

7. The New York Times articles point out that many Muslims use "Allahu Akbar" for many reasons that have nothing to do with jihadist terrorists. What is wrong with providing people with that information.

8. The other New York Times article was making the case that 56 people killed by a white guy in Vegas is as much terrorism as a Muslim killing 8 people in NYC. I didn't see it as downplaying. Both were tragic. One brought more tragedy than the other.

9. Rest of the article is his opinion. We all have one. None of it demonstrates the media suppresses connection to radical Islam. You may not like the media tries to be fair and balanced

10. You calling the NFL players brats demonstrates that you have no understanding of the inequality they are protesting. This is not just being obstinate. They believe in what they are protesting whether you agree with them or not.

11. There are also Americans who agree with the players. There are Americans who believe athletes should use the platform they have given to stand for what they believe in and do there part to make the world a better place. These Americans also are paying their checks. Also don't you believe that a person should do what they believe is right in spite of the financial consequences?

Even you want to make the argument that Vegas was terrorism because we do know why the shooter terrorized people then have at it.

The articles were not a case of the truth eventually comes out. These are articles that came out no later than 24 hours after the event happen. Others dealt with the problems of terrorism. You nor the writer of the article have any evidence that these articles were written based on anything that right wing press had published. This is a case where you are being intellectually dishonest not to look at what was written and to admit that your article was a fabrication based on bias.

I am sure there is spinning due to bias on both sides but honestly the article you provided was spinning in the most absurd.

How do you know what these players are doing in addition to taking a knee? Many athletes give back to the communities they are from or where they play. Since Kaepernick is the face of the kneeling let's start with Kaepernick. He has given $1,000,000 to organizations that do things such as focus on black female empowerment,  helping oppressed mothers, grassroots leadership, summer camp for high school students, support for families affected by violence, Meals on Wheels and many more. He has personally hosted a camp for underprivileged children in Oakland. He host events in Oakland where he teaches kids financial literacy, how to pursue higher education and how to be physically fit and healthy. He personally does a lot of fund raising for Camp Taylor which is a camp for children with heart defects. He also contributes time as a participant at the camp.

Kaepernick said "My faith is the basis from where my game comes from. I've been blessed to have the talent to play the game that I do and be successful at it. I think God guides me through the day and helps me take the right steps and has helped me to get where I am at. When I step on the field, I always say a prayer, say I am thankful to wake up in the morning and go there and try to glorify God with what I do on the field. I think if you go out and try to do that, no matter what you do on the field, you can be a happy about what you did."

This is the man that you accused of being a brat and not putting his money where his mouth is. It may be wise to get facts together before accusing people of not having Faith without Works.

I think the scripture you wanted was Ecclesiastes 3. You took it way out of context. Not intellectually honest

 

[ALAYMAN]

While the protest has received the majority of the media attention and the league and TV partners definitely believe it?s an issue, they don?t believe the protest is the reason for the substantial drop in ratings by itself.

Do you know what the words "by itself" mean?  Seriously fella, reading comprehension is your friend.  In case you DON'T know what it "by itself" means, it means that the protests are one of several reasons possible for the decline.  The very fact that you cannot understand OR admit that's the simple message in an article that even favors your own position is very revealing about your inability to discuss things on an intelligent and/or reasonable basis.  And if you can't understand that, then there's little hope for discussing more complex issues like terrorism with you.