Not wanting to hijack another thread

[Billy]

But can our non-Doctrines of Grace believers answer this question for me.

What limits do you believe God has placed on myself concerning His foreknowledge?

Thanks,

 

[christundivided]

So you believe Non-Calvinists don't believe in "Doctrines of Grace"?

How dishonest can you be?

Thus far.....God has limited Himself from snuffing you out.

What glory is there in crediting God's foreknowledge with redeeming your worthless self? I'd much rather give glory to Christ Jesus and His sacrifice.

 

[Billy]

So you believe Non-Calvinists don't believe in "Doctrines of Grace"?

How dishonest can you be?

Thus far.....God has limited Himself from snuffing you out.

What glory is there in crediting God's foreknowledge with redeeming your worthless self? I'd much rather give glory to Christ Jesus and His sacrifice.

The Doctrines of Grace my friend is also known as calvinism, but as you are fully aware the term "Calvinism" causes knee jerk reaction depending on what a person believes.

BTW: Nice no answer Roger Dodger.

 

[Mathew Ward]

But can our non-Doctrines of Grace believers answer this question for me.

What limits do you believe God has placed on myself concerning His foreknowledge?

Thanks,

To answer your question, I think the Holy Spirit will teach you and guide as you can handle that information.

 

[christundivided]

So you believe Non-Calvinists don't believe in "Doctrines of Grace"?

How dishonest can you be?

Thus far.....God has limited Himself from snuffing you out.

What glory is there in crediting God's foreknowledge with redeeming your worthless self? I'd much rather give glory to Christ Jesus and His sacrifice.

The Doctrines of Grace my friend is also known as calvinism, but as you are fully aware the term "Calvinism" causes knee jerk reaction depending on what a person believes.

BTW: Nice no answer Roger Dodger.

No. The Doctrines of Grace are not known as calvinism. Both Grace and Doctrine preexisted "Calvinism". Calvin was a 20 something novice when he decided to dabble in things he had no business trying to explaining. He wasn't much more than a "teenager" who could finally grow a few hairs in "adult" places. Its interesting how hormones drive a man to think he's something when he is nothing.

I didn't dodge anything.

Care to define your philosophy of "foreknowledge"?

 

[rsc2a]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doctrines+of+grace

I would expect someone who had debated "hundreds of Calvinists" to not make such a silly mistake.  Maybe you don't know everything.

 

[Billy]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doctrines+of+grace

I would expect someone who had debated "hundreds of Calvinists" to not make such a silly mistake.  Maybe you don't know everything.

Yep....

Waste of my time to debate a dishonest debater.

 

[christundivided]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doctrines+of+grace

I would expect someone who had debated "hundreds of Calvinists" to not make such a silly mistake.  Maybe you don't know everything.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=rsc2a+obtuse

I didn't make a mistake. Just because someone chooses to remove "Calvin" from his teachings... Doesn't make it right.

 

[christundivided]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doctrines+of+grace

I would expect someone who had debated "hundreds of Calvinists" to not make such a silly mistake.  Maybe you don't know everything.

Yep....

Waste of my time to debate a dishonest debater.

Arminians make the same claim. You have no right to claim uniqueness solely in Calvinism.

http://evangelicalarminians.org/the-facts-of-salvation-a-summary-of-arminian-theologythe-biblical-doctrines-of-grace/

 

[Billy]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

 

[christundivided]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

 

[Billy]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

LOL...
This whole forum is a waste of my time but I still come here.

 

[christundivided]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

LOL...
This whole forum is a waste of my time but I still come here.

Maybe... but you should define the Calvinist view of "foreknowledge". I'm tired of dealing with people that say I don't know anything about Calvinism. You people seem like you're always doing a "bait and switch". If you define "foreknowledge". I will do the same.

 

[Billy]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

LOL...
This whole forum is a waste of my time but I still come here.

Maybe... but you should define the Calvinist view of "foreknowledge". I'm tired of dealing with people that say I don't know anything about Calvinism. You people seem like you're always doing a "bait and switch". If you define "foreknowledge". I will do the same.

The words "know" and "foreknow" commonly mean "choose" or "set favor upon" or "acknowledge." it is those whom he chose or set his favor upon.

Balls in your court.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I've already explained this countless times, but the verse:

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

It doesn't say, "whom He foreknew what choices they'd make" or "foreknew about them".  It says those he knew before.  "Knew" as in "I know you, my friends". 

The opposite of "foreknew" is "never knew".  As in, "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" 

It doesn't say, "I never knew what you would choose" or "I never knew about you."  It says, "I never knew you."  As in, "I don't know you.  You're not my friend."

 

[christundivided]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

LOL...
This whole forum is a waste of my time but I still come here.

Maybe... but you should define the Calvinist view of "foreknowledge". I'm tired of dealing with people that say I don't know anything about Calvinism. You people seem like you're always doing a "bait and switch". If you define "foreknowledge". I will do the same.

The words "know" and "foreknow" commonly mean "choose" or "set favor upon" or "acknowledge." it is those whom he chose or set his favor upon.

Balls in your court.

Is that in Calvin's dictionary? Can I get a link to the reference?

Would you accept the following

http://www.theopedia.com/Foreknowledge_of_God

If we assume that God's knowledge of the future is true (which evangelicals all agree upon), then it is absolutely certain that person A will believe and person B will not. There is no way their lives could turn out any differently than this. Therefore it is fair to say that their destinies are still determined, for they could not be otherwise. But by what are their destinies determined? If they are determined by God himself, then we no longer have election based ultimately on foreknowledge of faith, but rather on God's sovereign will.

 

[Billy]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

LOL...
This whole forum is a waste of my time but I still come here.

Maybe... but you should define the Calvinist view of "foreknowledge". I'm tired of dealing with people that say I don't know anything about Calvinism. You people seem like you're always doing a "bait and switch". If you define "foreknowledge". I will do the same.

The words "know" and "foreknow" commonly mean "choose" or "set favor upon" or "acknowledge." it is those whom he chose or set his favor upon.

Balls in your court.

Is that in Calvin's dictionary? Can I get a link to the reference?

Would you accept the following

http://www.theopedia.com/Foreknowledge_of_God

If we assume that God's knowledge of the future is true (which evangelicals all agree upon), then it is absolutely certain that person A will believe and person B will not. There is no way their lives could turn out any differently than this. Therefore it is fair to say that their destinies are still determined, for they could not be otherwise. But by what are their destinies determined? If they are determined by God himself, then we no longer have election based ultimately on foreknowledge of faith, but rather on God's sovereign will.

Dodging again...
I gave you my definition now answer my simple question please.

 

[christundivided]

I've already explained this countless times, but the verse:

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

It doesn't say, "whom He foreknew what choices they'd make" or "foreknew about them".  It says those he knew before.  "Knew" as in "I know you, my friends". 

The opposite of "foreknew" is "never knew".  As in, "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" 

It doesn't say, "I never knew what you would choose" or "I never knew about you."  It says, "I never knew you."  As in, "I don't know you.  You're not my friend."

This overly simplistic.

Are you saying that foreknowledge is only related to "knowing" which ones are, or are not, His?

 

[christundivided]

Let me make it a little easier:

Question: Does God know the future?
A: All evangelicals agree that he does!


Do we agree up to this point?

I thought you were wasting your time? Tell me you're not wasting your time and I'll answer your question.

LOL...
This whole forum is a waste of my time but I still come here.

Maybe... but you should define the Calvinist view of "foreknowledge". I'm tired of dealing with people that say I don't know anything about Calvinism. You people seem like you're always doing a "bait and switch". If you define "foreknowledge". I will do the same.

The words "know" and "foreknow" commonly mean "choose" or "set favor upon" or "acknowledge." it is those whom he chose or set his favor upon.

Balls in your court.

Is that in Calvin's dictionary? Can I get a link to the reference?

Would you accept the following

http://www.theopedia.com/Foreknowledge_of_God

If we assume that God's knowledge of the future is true (which evangelicals all agree upon), then it is absolutely certain that person A will believe and person B will not. There is no way their lives could turn out any differently than this. Therefore it is fair to say that their destinies are still determined, for they could not be otherwise. But by what are their destinies determined? If they are determined by God himself, then we no longer have election based ultimately on foreknowledge of faith, but rather on God's sovereign will.

Dodging again...
I gave you my definition now answer my simple question please.

No its not a dodge. You didn't give me a Calvinist definition. I'm not going to play games with anyone of you anymore. Provide a Calvinist answer, and a reference to a reputable "Calvinist" source.

 

[Izdaari]

I'm not a Calvinist, and not an Arminian either. I'm Anglican and Lutheran, and those are different.

I don't believe God has placed any limits on his foreknowledge... but I don't think "foreknowledge" is quite the right word. God is not limited by time the way we are. I don't think He foresees us doing anything. I think He just sees it as it happens, without any time limits. So if I murder somebody 20 years in the future, God doesn't say "Izzy is going to murder that guy in 2034", but instead "Izzy murdered that guy in 2034" because to Him it's all real time, no past or future.

That doesn't in any way deny our free will, or create an unchangeable future. But whatever it is that we eventually end up doing, God knows it.