Parable of the tares

[Ransom]

I quit responding because there comes a point where there will be no agreement

You quit responding because you can only say "Is too!" so many times. You've certainly done no analysis of Revelation to prove your point. You rushed off to the Old Testament. Typical Dispensational study: Dispensationalism is the start and end of your hermeneutic, and no text of Scripture can be allowed to contradict it. You've told us what Dispensationalism says "saints" must mean in Revelation, but you've done not a scrap of exegesis on Revelation to prove John uses it that way.

Unfortunately for St. John, he never saw Clarence Larkin's charts.

 

[illinoisguy]

So, those who "keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" in Revelation 12:17, and "The saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus," in Revelation 14:12, are not to be classified as Christians?

That's weird.

Matthew 24:21-22, "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

Are we to maintain that the "elect" in this passage, who are clearly in the thick of the Great Tribulation, are not to be regarded as Christians?