Paul, Apostle of Christ -- Forthcoming Movie

[Smellin Coffee]

Smellin:
Nah, I don't think I want to get back on the white, patriarchal orthodox-narrative bandwagon, but I appreciate your concern.

That aside, I hope all is going well with you and your family.


You labor under the load of white guilt AND the number Hyles did on you...
That explains much about your Elmer Fudd theology and philosophy of life.

Why should I feel guilty for being how God created me?

That's the question I'm asking you...why do you labor under your white guilt complex?
I understand the number Hyles did on you thing....

I want to thank you for making my original point. I blew two dog whistles: racism and patriarchy. You come barking at racism. Proof one.

You attack me for attacking a position you claim does not exist (at least in your value system). If I were to attack global warming, you would not make fun of me for attacking global warming unless you deep down believe in global warming. Your attacking me for attacking white supremacy reveals it does exist in your core beliefs somewhere. (Personally, I believe it is through your theology, though not necessarily your manner of living.) So your attack (or snarky defense against me, however you want to look at it) for attacking white supremacy is proof two.

According to the demographic statistics of your B* (your church's city) Economic Development website, the African-American population in the city in which your church is, makes up 28%. (Data 2010 census) The question is, is your church leadership, elders, pastors, staff, teachers - are 1/4 of them African-American? I'm not even bringing into account church attendance. If your church leadership does not reflect close to that percentage, why not?

So to directly answer your question, it isn't white guilt by which I am motivated (or "labor"). Racism is America's original sin and base Evangelical theology has been at the core of racism in this country from Manifest Destiny through slavery through Jim Crow and is now manifesting through the alt-right and Evangelical political platform. It is a cancer which is deceiving the unknowing and further harming the marginalized in our society. So yeah, I'm motivated because of the existence of white supremacy as it is cancerous to society and a blight on the testimony and teachings of Jesus.

Again, thank you again for making my point.

What a CROCK!

Your M.O. quoting drivel from socialist liberal talking points, complete with a statistical mandate for a church to escape being labeled by white guilt Smellin as ?racist?.


white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.

And ironically, little old racist me puts my money and time where you put your mouth....

Here's your chance to prove I'm wrong. Is at least 25% of your church's leaders made up of African-American folks? Yes or no?

If not, we know in whom the "crock" lies.

Added:

And it's funny how someone who defends Pauline authority sure has problems with this particular teaching of Paul's.

We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

So, If our church doesn?t meet YOUR arbitrary criteria it is a racist body?
And, if we do meet YOUR arbitrary criteria we are not a racist body?
Period? Because white guilt Smellin, who invented his own religion says so??

And I am comparing my/our/your action with words...or contrasting as the case may be. 

And for the record, our Staff Pastor?s are multi ethnic/racial body as is our congregation.
But that matters not one twit.*


*Twit was a play on words....

And so the answer is a firm "No." Thanks.

(I figure since you like to set up non-sequitur questions, I can do it once in a while to. )

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Smellin:
Nah, I don't think I want to get back on the white, patriarchal orthodox-narrative bandwagon, but I appreciate your concern.

That aside, I hope all is going well with you and your family.


You labor under the load of white guilt AND the number Hyles did on you...
That explains much about your Elmer Fudd theology and philosophy of life.

Why should I feel guilty for being how God created me?

That's the question I'm asking you...why do you labor under your white guilt complex?
I understand the number Hyles did on you thing....

I want to thank you for making my original point. I blew two dog whistles: racism and patriarchy. You come barking at racism. Proof one.

You attack me for attacking a position you claim does not exist (at least in your value system). If I were to attack global warming, you would not make fun of me for attacking global warming unless you deep down believe in global warming. Your attacking me for attacking white supremacy reveals it does exist in your core beliefs somewhere. (Personally, I believe it is through your theology, though not necessarily your manner of living.) So your attack (or snarky defense against me, however you want to look at it) for attacking white supremacy is proof two.

According to the demographic statistics of your B* (your church's city) Economic Development website, the African-American population in the city in which your church is, makes up 28%. (Data 2010 census) The question is, is your church leadership, elders, pastors, staff, teachers - are 1/4 of them African-American? I'm not even bringing into account church attendance. If your church leadership does not reflect close to that percentage, why not?

So to directly answer your question, it isn't white guilt by which I am motivated (or "labor"). Racism is America's original sin and base Evangelical theology has been at the core of racism in this country from Manifest Destiny through slavery through Jim Crow and is now manifesting through the alt-right and Evangelical political platform. It is a cancer which is deceiving the unknowing and further harming the marginalized in our society. So yeah, I'm motivated because of the existence of white supremacy as it is cancerous to society and a blight on the testimony and teachings of Jesus.

Again, thank you again for making my point.

What a CROCK!

Your M.O. quoting drivel from socialist liberal talking points, complete with a statistical mandate for a church to escape being labeled by white guilt Smellin as ?racist?.


white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.

And ironically, little old racist me puts my money and time where you put your mouth....

Here's your chance to prove I'm wrong. Is at least 25% of your church's leaders made up of African-American folks? Yes or no?

If not, we know in whom the "crock" lies.

Added:

And it's funny how someone who defends Pauline authority sure has problems with this particular teaching of Paul's.

We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

So, If our church doesn?t meet YOUR arbitrary criteria it is a racist body?
And, if we do meet YOUR arbitrary criteria we are not a racist body?
Period? Because white guilt Smellin, who invented his own religion says so??

And I am comparing my/our/your action with words...or contrasting as the case may be. 

And for the record, our Staff Pastor?s are multi ethnic/racial body as is our congregation.
But that matters not one twit.*


*Twit was a play on words....

I'm sure we won't see SC complaining about the racial disparity at the local mosque......

Or in the African American churches across the country.

Do you know why? Whites en mass won't go to their churches because their "theology isn't Evangelical". Kinda proves my point: Evangelical theology is "white" theology.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Smellin:
Nah, I don't think I want to get back on the white, patriarchal orthodox-narrative bandwagon, but I appreciate your concern.

That aside, I hope all is going well with you and your family.


You labor under the load of white guilt AND the number Hyles did on you...
That explains much about your Elmer Fudd theology and philosophy of life.

Why should I feel guilty for being how God created me?

That's the question I'm asking you...why do you labor under your white guilt complex?
I understand the number Hyles did on you thing....

I want to thank you for making my original point. I blew two dog whistles: racism and patriarchy. You come barking at racism. Proof one.

You attack me for attacking a position you claim does not exist (at least in your value system). If I were to attack global warming, you would not make fun of me for attacking global warming unless you deep down believe in global warming. Your attacking me for attacking white supremacy reveals it does exist in your core beliefs somewhere. (Personally, I believe it is through your theology, though not necessarily your manner of living.) So your attack (or snarky defense against me, however you want to look at it) for attacking white supremacy is proof two.

According to the demographic statistics of your B* (your church's city) Economic Development website, the African-American population in the city in which your church is, makes up 28%. (Data 2010 census) The question is, is your church leadership, elders, pastors, staff, teachers - are 1/4 of them African-American? I'm not even bringing into account church attendance. If your church leadership does not reflect close to that percentage, why not?

So to directly answer your question, it isn't white guilt by which I am motivated (or "labor"). Racism is America's original sin and base Evangelical theology has been at the core of racism in this country from Manifest Destiny through slavery through Jim Crow and is now manifesting through the alt-right and Evangelical political platform. It is a cancer which is deceiving the unknowing and further harming the marginalized in our society. So yeah, I'm motivated because of the existence of white supremacy as it is cancerous to society and a blight on the testimony and teachings of Jesus.

Again, thank you again for making my point.

What a CROCK!

Your M.O. quoting drivel from socialist liberal talking points, complete with a statistical mandate for a church to escape being labeled by white guilt Smellin as ?racist?.


white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.

And ironically, little old racist me puts my money and time where you put your mouth....

Here's your chance to prove I'm wrong. Is at least 25% of your church's leaders made up of African-American folks? Yes or no?

If not, we know in whom the "crock" lies.

Added:

And it's funny how someone who defends Pauline authority sure has problems with this particular teaching of Paul's.

We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

So, If our church doesn?t meet YOUR arbitrary criteria it is a racist body?
And, if we do meet YOUR arbitrary criteria we are not a racist body?
Period? Because white guilt Smellin, who invented his own religion says so??

And I am comparing my/our/your action with words...or contrasting as the case may be. 

And for the record, our Staff Pastor?s are multi ethnic/racial body as is our congregation.
But that matters not one twit.*


*Twit was a play on words....

I'm sure we won't see SC complaining about the racial disparity at the local mosque......

Or in the African American churches across the country.

Do you know why? Whites en mass won't go to their churches because their "theology isn't Evangelical". Kinda proves my point: Evangelical theology is "white" theology.

Yet again, you don?t know what you?re talking about.
It has little to do with theology and everything to do with culture and worship style.
That is why you don?t see many blacks attend white churches either.
Our church shared a building for a number of years with an African American church plant...my wife was their pianist. The Pastor is still one of the best friends I have on earth.

You see Smellin, you talk about a lot of things, mostly parroting liberal drivel, but some people actually do what you talk about. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Smellin:
Nah, I don't think I want to get back on the white, patriarchal orthodox-narrative bandwagon, but I appreciate your concern.

That aside, I hope all is going well with you and your family.


You labor under the load of white guilt AND the number Hyles did on you...
That explains much about your Elmer Fudd theology and philosophy of life.

Why should I feel guilty for being how God created me?

That's the question I'm asking you...why do you labor under your white guilt complex?
I understand the number Hyles did on you thing....

I want to thank you for making my original point. I blew two dog whistles: racism and patriarchy. You come barking at racism. Proof one.

You attack me for attacking a position you claim does not exist (at least in your value system). If I were to attack global warming, you would not make fun of me for attacking global warming unless you deep down believe in global warming. Your attacking me for attacking white supremacy reveals it does exist in your core beliefs somewhere. (Personally, I believe it is through your theology, though not necessarily your manner of living.) So your attack (or snarky defense against me, however you want to look at it) for attacking white supremacy is proof two.

According to the demographic statistics of your B* (your church's city) Economic Development website, the African-American population in the city in which your church is, makes up 28%. (Data 2010 census) The question is, is your church leadership, elders, pastors, staff, teachers - are 1/4 of them African-American? I'm not even bringing into account church attendance. If your church leadership does not reflect close to that percentage, why not?

So to directly answer your question, it isn't white guilt by which I am motivated (or "labor"). Racism is America's original sin and base Evangelical theology has been at the core of racism in this country from Manifest Destiny through slavery through Jim Crow and is now manifesting through the alt-right and Evangelical political platform. It is a cancer which is deceiving the unknowing and further harming the marginalized in our society. So yeah, I'm motivated because of the existence of white supremacy as it is cancerous to society and a blight on the testimony and teachings of Jesus.

Again, thank you again for making my point.

What a CROCK!

Your M.O. quoting drivel from socialist liberal talking points, complete with a statistical mandate for a church to escape being labeled by white guilt Smellin as ?racist?.


white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.

And ironically, little old racist me puts my money and time where you put your mouth....

Here's your chance to prove I'm wrong. Is at least 25% of your church's leaders made up of African-American folks? Yes or no?

If not, we know in whom the "crock" lies.

Added:

And it's funny how someone who defends Pauline authority sure has problems with this particular teaching of Paul's.

We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

So, If our church doesn?t meet YOUR arbitrary criteria it is a racist body?
And, if we do meet YOUR arbitrary criteria we are not a racist body?
Period? Because white guilt Smellin, who invented his own religion says so??

And I am comparing my/our/your action with words...or contrasting as the case may be. 

And for the record, our Staff Pastor?s are multi ethnic/racial body as is our congregation.
But that matters not one twit.*


*Twit was a play on words....

And so the answer is a firm "No." Thanks.

(I figure since you like to set up non-sequitur questions, I can do it once in a while to. )

Good old white guilt Smellin...the arbiter of subjectivity.
Too bad the real world actually ruins your preconceived white guilt induced notions.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Yet again, you don?t know what you?re talking about.
It has little to do with theology and everything to do with culture and worship style.
That is why you don?t see many blacks attend white churches either.
Our church shared a building for a number of years with an African American church plant...my wife was their pianist. The Pastor is still one of the best friends I have on earth.

You see Smellin, you talk about a lot of things, mostly parroting liberal drivel, but some people actually do what you talk about. 

For some reason, I highly doubt you preach this from your pulpit:

Why? It is a part of BLACK THEOLOGY.

Evangelical teaching has a history of racial segregation and exclusion.

And when white Evangelicalism unites with black theology, it still does under issues of controlling it.

The years after the Second World War constitute the all too brief moment wherein there seemed to be some movement towards interracial cooperation. Leading the way in this moment of goodwill, Dupont points out, were frequently the denominations? women?s auxiliary groups. Yet even in this potential feel-good moment, she shows how much of this cooperation filtered through a white social structure that ignored African-American religious authorities. Rather than working within groups like the National Baptist Convention, African Methodist Episcopal Church, or other black evangelical denominations, white evangelicals often set up their own, separate, conferences for African Americans that would operate under the purview of white denominations.

By demonstrating how, even amidst a time of corporate goodwill, whites still felt the need to retain some measure of control over their African-American co-religionists, Dupont carefully prepares the reader for the flurry of responses from white evangelicals across Mississippi to the Brown v. Board decision, which desegregated schools in 1954. She notes the ways in which Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians were all struck with internecine conflicts over the proper response to the Supreme Court?s decision. The majority of each white denomination sent out statements of support for the decision even though delegates, clergy, and lay members from Mississippi strenuously objected ? first to the decision and then to their denomination?s support.

A demonstration of how white Mississippi evangelicals bolstered their defense of segregation through theology rounds out the first half of the volume.

Source

It was White theology through which lynchings were supported:

Many other defenders of lynching understood their acts as a Christian duty, consecrated as God?s will against racial transgression. ?After Smith?s lynching,? Wood notes, ?another defender wrote, ?It was nothing but the vengeance of an outraged God, meted out to him, through the instrumentality of the people that caused the cremation.? ? As UNC?Chapel Hill Professor Emeritus Donald G. Mathews writes in the Journal of Southern Religion, ?Religion permeated communal lynching because the act occurred within the context of a sacred order designed to sustain holiness.? The ?sacred order? was white supremacy and the ?holiness? was white virtue.

I should emphasize that blacks of the era understood lynching as rooted in the Christian practice of white southerners. ?It is exceedingly doubtful if lynching could possibly exist under any other religion than Christianity,? wrote NAACP leader Walter White in 1929, ?No person who is familiar with the Bible-beating, acrobatic, fanatical preachers of hell-fire in the South, and who has seen the orgies of emotion created by them, can doubt for a moment that dangerous passions are released which contribute to emotional instability and play a part in lynching.? And while some church leaders condemned the practice as

Contrary to the Gospel of Christ??Religion and lynching; Christianity and crushing, burning and blessing, savagery and national sanity cannot go together in this country,? declared one 1904 editorial?the overwhelming consent of the white South confirmed White?s view.

The only Southern Christianity united in its opposition to lynching was that of black Americans, who tried to recontextualize the onslaught as a kind of crucifixion and its victims as martyrs, flipping the script and making blacks the true inheritors of Christian salvation and redemption. It?s that last point which should highlight how none of this was intrinsic to Christianity: It was a question of power, and of the need of the powerful to sanctify their actions.

Source

So no, I do not agree with your that cultural differences is the primary reason blacks segregate themselves. Why would they want to practice a theology that murdered so many in their race under its influence?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Smellin:
Nah, I don't think I want to get back on the white, patriarchal orthodox-narrative bandwagon, but I appreciate your concern.

That aside, I hope all is going well with you and your family.


You labor under the load of white guilt AND the number Hyles did on you...
That explains much about your Elmer Fudd theology and philosophy of life.

Why should I feel guilty for being how God created me?

That's the question I'm asking you...why do you labor under your white guilt complex?
I understand the number Hyles did on you thing....

I want to thank you for making my original point. I blew two dog whistles: racism and patriarchy. You come barking at racism. Proof one.

You attack me for attacking a position you claim does not exist (at least in your value system). If I were to attack global warming, you would not make fun of me for attacking global warming unless you deep down believe in global warming. Your attacking me for attacking white supremacy reveals it does exist in your core beliefs somewhere. (Personally, I believe it is through your theology, though not necessarily your manner of living.) So your attack (or snarky defense against me, however you want to look at it) for attacking white supremacy is proof two.

According to the demographic statistics of your B* (your church's city) Economic Development website, the African-American population in the city in which your church is, makes up 28%. (Data 2010 census) The question is, is your church leadership, elders, pastors, staff, teachers - are 1/4 of them African-American? I'm not even bringing into account church attendance. If your church leadership does not reflect close to that percentage, why not?

So to directly answer your question, it isn't white guilt by which I am motivated (or "labor"). Racism is America's original sin and base Evangelical theology has been at the core of racism in this country from Manifest Destiny through slavery through Jim Crow and is now manifesting through the alt-right and Evangelical political platform. It is a cancer which is deceiving the unknowing and further harming the marginalized in our society. So yeah, I'm motivated because of the existence of white supremacy as it is cancerous to society and a blight on the testimony and teachings of Jesus.

Again, thank you again for making my point.

What a CROCK!

Your M.O. quoting drivel from socialist liberal talking points, complete with a statistical mandate for a church to escape being labeled by white guilt Smellin as ?racist?.


white guilt:
a belief, often subconscious, among white liberals that being white is, in and of itself, a great transgression against the rest of the world for which one must spend their life making atonement.

And ironically, little old racist me puts my money and time where you put your mouth....

Here's your chance to prove I'm wrong. Is at least 25% of your church's leaders made up of African-American folks? Yes or no?

If not, we know in whom the "crock" lies.

Added:

And it's funny how someone who defends Pauline authority sure has problems with this particular teaching of Paul's.

We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.

So, If our church doesn?t meet YOUR arbitrary criteria it is a racist body?
And, if we do meet YOUR arbitrary criteria we are not a racist body?
Period? Because white guilt Smellin, who invented his own religion says so??

And I am comparing my/our/your action with words...or contrasting as the case may be. 

And for the record, our Staff Pastor?s are multi ethnic/racial body as is our congregation.
But that matters not one twit.*


*Twit was a play on words....

By the way, you twisted what I said, but then again, that's what you do. I didn't say your congregation should be 25% diverse, but rather your church LEADERSHIP be 25% diverse. Congregants are voluntary attendees and cannot be controlled. Leaders can be recruited because they are placed in appointed positions. So why doesn't your church LEADERSHIP reflect the diversity of your area?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Smellin: So no, I do not agree with your that cultural differences is the primary reason blacks segregate themselves. Why would they want to practice a theology that murdered so many in their race under its influence?



So you take the word of Slate over any and all else? That?s why your posts and opinions often make you look foolish here, they look good on liberal rag sites but don?t hold up in the light of reality.

Do you honestly believe most black churches and individuals are so monolithic as to buy into that liberation drivel? They don?t...not by a long shot. You?ve just been enamored by Obummer and the wrong Rev Wright....of ?G.D. America? fame!

Our church buildings have hosted a couple of state meetings of the National Baptist Convention of NC. The NBC is one of the largest African American Deniminations in America, if not the largest. While they may be more politically to the left than I am, they are certainly closer to my beliefs than yours.

I have been in a meeting where they discussed church planting in order to reach future generations with the Gospel of Christ. Their consensus was that the attempt from mostly white churches to reach blacks was not thriving...because of mostly cultural differences.

You are the arbiter of your own canon of positive reinforcement, an economist who knows that the economic boom is really a bust (despite all evidence to the contrary), and now you self identify as and speak for African Americans!

Bwahhhhhhhhhh!!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Smellin: So no, I do not agree with your that cultural differences is the primary reason blacks segregate themselves. Why would they want to practice a theology that murdered so many in their race under its influence?



So you take the word of Slate over any and all else? That?s why your posts and opinions often make you look foolish here, they look good on liberal rag sites but don?t hold up in the light of reality.

Do you honestly believe most black churches and individuals are so monolithic as to buy into that liberation drivel? They don?t...not by a long shot. You?ve just been enamored by Obummer and the wrong Rev Wright....of ?G.D. America? fame!

Our church buildings have hosted a couple of state meetings of the National Baptist Convention of NC. The NBC is one of the largest African American Deniminations in America, if not the largest. While they may be more politically to the left than I am, they are certainly closer to my beliefs than yours.

I have been in a meeting where they discussed church planting in order to reach future generations with the Gospel of Christ. Their consensus was that the attempt from mostly white churches to reach blacks was not thriving...because of mostly cultural differences.

You are the arbiter of your own canon of positive reinforcement, an economist who knows that the economic boom is really a bust (despite all evidence to the contrary), and now you self identify as and speak for African Americans!

Bwahhhhhhhhhh!!

Yet, Black Baptist churches were started after ceding from the same convention of which your church is a member:

Generally whites in the South required that black churches be under the supervision of white ministers and associations. In practice, as noted above, in churches with mixed congregations, blacks were made to sit in segregated seating. White preaching often emphasized Biblical stipulations that slaves should accept their places and try to behave well toward their masters.

After the Civil War and emancipation, blacks wanted to practice Christianity independently of white supervision.[32] They had interpreted the Bible as offering hope for deliverance, and saw their own exodus out of slavery as comparable to The Exodus.[11] They quickly left white-dominated churches and associations and set up separate state Baptist conventions.[33][34] In 1866, black Baptists of the South and West combined to form the Consolidated American Baptist Convention.[33] In 1895 they merged three national conventions to create the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc..[33][34] With 8 million members, it is today the largest African-American religious organization and is second in size to the Southern Baptist Convention.

Free blacks in the North had founded churches and denominations in the early nineteenth century that were independent of white-dominated organizations. In the Reconstruction Era, missionaries both black and white from several northern denominations worked in the South; they quickly attracted tens and hundreds of thousands of new members from among the millions of freedmen. The African Methodist Episcopal Church attracted the most new members of any denomination.[34] White Southern Baptist churches lost black members to the new denominations, as well as to independent congregations organized by freedmen.

During the Civil Rights Movement, most Southern Baptist pastors and most members of their congregations rejected racial integration and accepted white supremacy, further alienating African Americans.[35] According to historian and former Southern Baptist Wayne Flynt, "The [Southern Baptist] church was the last bastion of segregation."

Source

So why would Black folks want to join the church whose convention has a racist past and couldn't even apologize for their actions until 1995 then finally denounce the Alt-Right just last year?

Both Liberation Theology (whose churches are not in a single convention) and the NBC were created due to the racist roots of Evangelicalism (specifically the Southern Baptists).

If Christ isn't Black (symbolically), then He does not side with the oppressed. White churches present a "White Christ" which represents oppression.

The late Arthur Ashe is an example. From the Sports Illustrated archives:

Every Sunday, Arthur Jr. had to go to church, either to First Presbyterian or Westwood Baptist, where his parents had met and where he would look up at a picture of Christ with blond hair and blue eyes and wonder if God was on his side.

Source

Ashe's viewpoint is reflective of the uncomfortable nature of white churches. The Black Christ of liberation is different than the White Christ of racial oppression, whether you choose to admit it or not.

 

[Ransom]

If Christ isn't Black (symbolically), then He does not side with the oppressed. White churches present a "White Christ" which represents oppression.

Do you even read this drivel before you hit "Post"? I mean with your brain?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If Christ isn't Black (symbolically), then He does not side with the oppressed. White churches present a "White Christ" which represents oppression.

Do you even read this drivel before you hit "Post"? I mean with your brain?

The theology that is now trickled down to current-day Evangelicalism was the theology of the slaveholders. Liberation Theology has transcended from the slaves themselves. One emphasizes the teachings of Paul, the other emphasizes the earthly teachings of Jesus. The cross and resurrection have different meanings depending on the slaveholder or slave theology.

Slaveholding theology didn't need an understanding of Christ's liberating work (apart from sin) and needed biblical support for their owning of slaves. After putting a belief in Christ, slaveholding Christianity is secure eternally, so enslaving, torturing and oppression of slaves was of no eternal consequence. In addition, Christ's liberating teaching and actions were of limited significance. Slaveholding theology held the incarnation of Jesus of more importance than His earthly teaching and ministry.

So, which "Jesus" does one follow: the one of Paul (the "White" Jesus) or the one as recorded in the Gospel record (the "Black" Jesus)?

So to answer your question, I did read what I wrote. Black and White theology is and has historically been much different, despite what Tarheel might want to think. One theology sides with the oppressed while the other with the oppressors.

I know which side I will choose*.


*FYI, I don't agree with the whole of Black theology. Though thematically and theoretically it sides with the oppressed, in practice it is quite misogynistic and homophobic, which I obviously cannot get on board with.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If Christ isn't Black (symbolically), then He does not side with the oppressed. White churches present a "White Christ" which represents oppression.

Do you even read this drivel before you hit "Post"? I mean with your brain?

The theology that is now trickled down to current-day Evangelicalism was the theology of the slaveholders. Liberation Theology has transcended from the slaves themselves. One emphasizes the teachings of Paul, the other emphasizes the earthly teachings of Jesus. The cross and resurrection have different meanings depending on the slaveholder or slave theology.

Slaveholding theology didn't need an understanding of Christ's liberating work (apart from sin) and needed biblical support for their owning of slaves. After putting a belief in Christ, slaveholding Christianity is secure eternally, so enslaving, torturing and oppression of slaves was of no eternal consequence. In addition, Christ's liberating teaching and actions were of limited significance. Slaveholding theology held the incarnation of Jesus of more importance than His earthly teaching and ministry.

So, which "Jesus" does one follow: the one of Paul (the "White" Jesus) or the one as recorded in the Gospel record (the "Black" Jesus)?

So to answer your question, I did read what I wrote. Black and White theology is and has historically been much different, despite what Tarheel might want to think. One theology sides with the oppressed while the other with the oppressors.

I know which side I will choose*.


*FYI, I don't agree with the whole of Black theology. Though thematically and theoretically it sides with the oppressed, in practice it is quite misogynistic and homophobic, which I obviously cannot get on board with.

You,yet again, spout liberal stereotypical drivel.
You assume Blacks are monolithic and that they ALL believe that crap you quote.
That is hardly true. There is no black gospel or white gospel...there is THE gospel. But, of course you use the liberal tactic of dividing everyone into their little special interest group.

What a crock....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If Christ isn't Black (symbolically), then He does not side with the oppressed. White churches present a "White Christ" which represents oppression.

Do you even read this drivel before you hit "Post"? I mean with your brain?

The theology that is now trickled down to current-day Evangelicalism was the theology of the slaveholders. Liberation Theology has transcended from the slaves themselves. One emphasizes the teachings of Paul, the other emphasizes the earthly teachings of Jesus. The cross and resurrection have different meanings depending on the slaveholder or slave theology.

Slaveholding theology didn't need an understanding of Christ's liberating work (apart from sin) and needed biblical support for their owning of slaves. After putting a belief in Christ, slaveholding Christianity is secure eternally, so enslaving, torturing and oppression of slaves was of no eternal consequence. In addition, Christ's liberating teaching and actions were of limited significance. Slaveholding theology held the incarnation of Jesus of more importance than His earthly teaching and ministry.

So, which "Jesus" does one follow: the one of Paul (the "White" Jesus) or the one as recorded in the Gospel record (the "Black" Jesus)?

So to answer your question, I did read what I wrote. Black and White theology is and has historically been much different, despite what Tarheel might want to think. One theology sides with the oppressed while the other with the oppressors.

I know which side I will choose*.


*FYI, I don't agree with the whole of Black theology. Though thematically and theoretically it sides with the oppressed, in practice it is quite misogynistic and homophobic, which I obviously cannot get on board with.

You,yet again, spout liberal stereotypical drivel.
You assume Blacks are monolithic and that they ALL believe that crap you quote.
That is hardly true. There is no black gospel or white gospel...there is THE gospel. But, of course you use the liberal tactic of dividing everyone into their little special interest group.

What a crock....

Never said they are monolithic. I think Tony Evans for one would disagree with me.

Sorry, but the history of racism is a cancer that is at the core of Evangelical values. Hence, it explains the support for all things Trump.

Oh, and the Gospel? Yet. Jesus taught it. Announced from the beginning of his ministry:

The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news ("the Gospel") to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners (Liberation theology) and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord?s favor.

 

[Ransom]

The theology that is now trickled down to current-day Evangelicalism was the theology of the slaveholders.

Don't see how that works for those of us who aren't American and didn't have slaveholders to trickle down our theology, but thank you anyway for the demonstration of your narrow-minded, parochial thinking.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

The theology that is now trickled down to current-day Evangelicalism was the theology of the slaveholders.

Don't see how that works for those of us who aren't American and didn't have slaveholders to trickle down our theology, but thank you anyway for the demonstration of your narrow-minded, parochial thinking.

Just because you don't think you are sick doesn't mean the water you drink isn't poisonous.

The same poison that assuaged the consciences of slaveholders for their owning slaves is the same poison that assuages Evangelicals to support social structures that maintain white supremacy.

 

[FSSL]

THIS is liberation theology by one of the most popular liberation theology preachers...

https://youtu.be/TYqrXVNfYUI

 

[Ransom]

The same poison that assuaged the consciences of slaveholders for their owning slaves is the same poison that assuages Evangelicals to support social structures that maintain white supremacy.

"White supremacy." LOL.

You  evangelize for the Leftist cult by reciting their mythology with all the ardour of a flat-earth crank and his Antarctic ice wall. You are equally deluded.

 

[Ransom]

THIS is liberation theology by one of the most popular liberation theology preachers...

Liberation theology is Marxist heresy, just so we're clear which religion Smellin is shilling for now that he has abandoned Christianity.

 

[FSSL]

Yep!

See the hatred for Christians, the white man and America in their teaching here

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/17438.James_H_Cone


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[samspade]

Smelling, I agree with you that racism is the US original sin. I also agree that much of the evangelical circle you?ve been a part of has been an active participant. However, the brush you paint with is too broad.

What do you do with a church like mine? 40% white, 40% black, 20% Hispanic/Asian. Our pastor of 35 years was white with a black wife. Our current pastor is black. We have joint services on special occasions with African American churches and lilly white churches. By the way, my church is a conservative (PCA) Presbyterian Church.

I think part of the problem is that your exposure has been to churches that equate Americanism with Christianity, and ?getting saved? with being a follower of Christ. While that thinking is prevalent in evangelical America, it doesn?t encompass the whole of Christianity in the US. There are churches that try to follow the gospel.


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[Tarheel Baptist]

Smelling, I agree with you that racism is the US original sin. I also agree that much of the evangelical circle you?ve been a part of has been an active participant. However, the brush you paint with is too broad.

What do you do with a church like mine? 40% white, 40% black, 20% Hispanic/Asian. Our pastor of 35 years was white with a black wife. Our current pastor is black. We have joint services on special occasions with African American churches and lilly white churches. By the way, my church is a conservative (PCA) Presbyterian Church.

I think part of the problem is that your exposure has been to churches that equate Americanism with Christianity, and ?getting saved? with being a follower of Christ. While that thinking is prevalent in evangelical America, it doesn?t encompass the whole of Christianity in the US. There are churches that try to follow the gospel.


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Smellin propagates liberal and socialist/communist stereotypes in many areas.
I applaud your church for it's diversity....assuming you think that's an asset.
The truth of the matter is that the Gospel is color and ethnically blind. Period.
Now, the people who claim to preach the gospel may be racist or heretical, but that doesn't change the gospel.

The gospel is preached in African American churches and in 'lily white churches' and even in your 40-40-20 church*.
But the racial makeup of the congregation doesn't always reflect the racial attitudes of the church or the message they preach.


* should giving the racial and ethnic percentages of the congregation be mandatory in describing one's church?