"Progressives" no longer have a choice...

[sword]

What is the Democratic parties stated positions on the following topics?
* Budget: Tend to oppose budget cuts in nearly every area of government.
* Economy: Tend to support higher taxes and regulations on businesses.
* Crime: tend to oppose death penalty or mandatory sentencing rules & soft on crime.
* Drugs: tend to support legalization of drugs
* Education: tend to prefer national control of school and education & oppose choice.
* Energy & Oil: tend to restrict wide range energy policy
* Environment: strong on new environmental laws and regulation & strong climate change position. 
* Government Reform: tend to oppose smaller govt. and states? rights 
* Gun Control: tend to be anti-2nd amendment
* Homeland Security: tend to be weak border advocates and resist enforcing emigration laws 
* Jobs: Strong supporters of social programs and oppose job growth policies
* Principles & Values: tend to prefer liberal values
* Tax Reform: tend to support increased in taxes on upper middle class, the rich and businesses
* War: tend to be weaker on defense than most Republicans (subjective)
* Welfare & Poverty : tend to be supporters of modern social programs and long term safety nets

Your number two was tend higher taxes and regulations on business. I would argue that it not always about higher taxes but actually making sure that there is a safety net for the poor or that the earth we live on is preserved. Like the first one I don't believe it is a Christian or non-Christian stance but I don't know why someone who loves God would not be interested in making sure the poor are taken care of and we are good stewards of the resources on the earth that God has given us.  There are good and bad regulations. Less regulation does not constitute good. People should be able to work in safe environments and I don't think God is displeased with that. We had to bail out the banks because of deregulation. As a country we would have been better served to keep the regulations in place. Fair regulations that keep the environment healthy are good things and I think honor the God that gave us the resources.

I will agree some of the past banking deregulation went too far. I also contend banks were required to give loans to people who could never make the payments. People with poor or no credit were buying large homes with no hopes of ever making the payments. Banks were told they must make the loans and they assumed very little of the risk in doing so. They did what any bank would do they wrote the loans instead of facing the federal government.

I understand there are many examples where both sides make bad choices. I'm just saying in almost ever case that the sides are divided, as a Christian, I tend to agree with the conservative position.

I do side with the Democrats on some trade issues, limited min. wage increases,  veterans benefits, and a few others. I agree with many more in principal but strongly disagree with their methods to achieve those goals.

I generally disagree with the Republicans more mildly and on far fewer issues that the Democrats. If both sides became pro life next election I still have at least 50 other Democrat issues that I find morally reprehensible.

I have huge concerns about our current president but I agree with him on far more positions than I did the other choice. Abortion is just one of a long list of opposing issues many evangelical have with the Dems.

 

[LongGone]

What is the Democratic parties stated positions on the following topics?
* Budget: Tend to oppose budget cuts in nearly every area of government.
* Economy: Tend to support higher taxes and regulations on businesses.
* Crime: tend to oppose death penalty or mandatory sentencing rules & soft on crime.
* Drugs: tend to support legalization of drugs
* Education: tend to prefer national control of school and education & oppose choice.
* Energy & Oil: tend to restrict wide range energy policy
* Environment: strong on new environmental laws and regulation & strong climate change position. 
* Government Reform: tend to oppose smaller govt. and states? rights 
* Gun Control: tend to be anti-2nd amendment
* Homeland Security: tend to be weak border advocates and resist enforcing emigration laws 
* Jobs: Strong supporters of social programs and oppose job growth policies
* Principles & Values: tend to prefer liberal values
* Tax Reform: tend to support increased in taxes on upper middle class, the rich and businesses
* War: tend to be weaker on defense than most Republicans (subjective)
* Welfare & Poverty : tend to be supporters of modern social programs and long term safety nets

Your number two was tend higher taxes and regulations on business. I would argue that it not always about higher taxes but actually making sure that there is a safety net for the poor or that the earth we live on is preserved. Like the first one I don't believe it is a Christian or non-Christian stance but I don't know why someone who loves God would not be interested in making sure the poor are taken care of and we are good stewards of the resources on the earth that God has given us.  There are good and bad regulations. Less regulation does not constitute good. People should be able to work in safe environments and I don't think God is displeased with that. We had to bail out the banks because of deregulation. As a country we would have been better served to keep the regulations in place. Fair regulations that keep the environment healthy are good things and I think honor the God that gave us the resources.

I will agree some of the past banking deregulation went too far. I also contend banks were required to give loans to people who could never make the payments. People with poor or no credit were buying large homes with no hopes of ever making the payments. Banks were told they must make the loans and they assumed very little of the risk in doing so. They did what any bank would do they wrote the loans instead of facing the federal government.

I understand there are many examples where both sides make bad choices. I'm just saying in almost ever case that the sides are divided, as a Christian, I tend to agree with the conservative position.

I do side with the Democrats on some trade issues, limited min. wage increases,  veterans benefits, and a few others. I agree with many more in principal but strongly disagree with their methods to achieve those goals.

I generally disagree with the Republicans more mildly and on far fewer issues that the Democrats. If both sides became pro life next election I still have at least 50 other Democrat issues that I find morally reprehensible.

I have huge concerns about our current president but I agree with him on far more positions than I did the other choice. Abortion is just one of a long list of opposing issues many evangelical have with the Dems.

What are the 50 Democrat issues that you find morally reprehensible?

 

[sword]

Here is a list of Liberal policies and positions in which I disagree to some degree or another. It is not an exhaustive list and it is in no particular order.  I can make a similar list of Conservative views in which I disagree, but it would be much shorter list.

Pro pornography positions
Planned Parenthood
Gay Marriage
Excessive taxation
Transgender rights
Loose Immigration policies
Movement to eliminate genders 
Anti-2nd amendment position
Current welfare policies
Failure to support / honor fallen soldiers
Partial birth abortion
Anti-God and anti-church agenda
National control of schools versus local control
Anti-Israel policies
Pro Islam agenda
Open borders and refugee resettlement in US
Legalization of drugs
Support of Progressive judges
Support for universal single payer healthcare
Policies regarding LGBT community in the military
Policy toward Iran including cash payments & reduced sanctions
Policy regarding HAMAS
Extreme views regarding climate change and it's effects on the economy and jobs.
Approach to Social Justice
Pandering On The Basis Of Race
Pandering On The Basis Of income
Extreme political correctness and anti-1st amendment
Pro socialist policies
Anti-energy policies.
Excessive Regulations that invade private property rights
Excessive use of eminent domain
Opposition to Voter ID laws and honest elections
Opposition to school choice
Support for anti-police movement
Weak crime and enforcement policies
Extreme Affirmative Action policies
Position on the death penalty
Position on Euthanasia & Physician-assisted suicide
Policies regarding UN and reductions of national sovereignty
Support for the BLM and occupy Wall Street, & protests movements (riots).
Public owned low income housing & housing projects
Rent control programs
Unfunded free college tuition for all
Unfunded college loan forgiveness
Expanded government
Attacks of religious freedom rights
Anti-morality policies
Opposition to the rule of law
Support of Judicial Activism and opposes strict constructionism in interpreting the law.
Oppose intelligent design & creation as theories of our origin
Oppose assimilation of immigrants and encourage remaining separate and distinct in ethnic enclaves


Note: here are a few areas I tend to support the Democrats position and not the Republicans.

Veterans benefits
Trade
Support of OSHA and MSHA
Job training & retraining
Workers Comp.
Unemployment Insurance (Limited)
Min Wage increase (Limited)
Support for Postal Service
Pension protections
Consumer protection

 

[LongGone]

Here is a list of Liberal policies and positions in which I disagree to some degree or another. It is not an exhaustive list and it is in no particular order.  I can make a similar list of Conservative views in which I disagree, but it would be much shorter list.

Pro pornography positions
Planned Parenthood
Gay Marriage
Excessive taxation
Transgender rights
Loose Immigration policies
Movement to eliminate genders 
Anti-2nd amendment position
Current welfare policies
Failure to support / honor fallen soldiers
Partial birth abortion
Anti-God and anti-church agenda
National control of schools versus local control
Anti-Israel policies
Pro Islam agenda
Open borders and refugee resettlement in US
Legalization of drugs
Support of Progressive judges
Support for universal single payer healthcare
Policies regarding LGBT community in the military
Policy toward Iran including cash payments & reduced sanctions
Policy regarding HAMAS
Extreme views regarding climate change and it's effects on the economy and jobs.
Approach to Social Justice
Pandering On The Basis Of Race
Pandering On The Basis Of income
Extreme political correctness and anti-1st amendment
Pro socialist policies
Anti-energy policies.
Excessive Regulations that invade private property rights
Excessive use of eminent domain
Opposition to Voter ID laws and honest elections
Opposition to school choice
Support for anti-police movement
Weak crime and enforcement policies
Extreme Affirmative Action policies
Position on the death penalty
Position on Euthanasia & Physician-assisted suicide
Policies regarding UN and reductions of national sovereignty
Support for the BLM and occupy Wall Street, & protests movements (riots).
Public owned low income housing & housing projects
Rent control programs
Unfunded free college tuition for all
Unfunded college loan forgiveness
Expanded government
Attacks of religious freedom rights
Anti-morality policies
Opposition to the rule of law
Support of Judicial Activism and opposes strict constructionism in interpreting the law.
Oppose intelligent design & creation as theories of our origin
Oppose assimilation of immigrants and encourage remaining separate and distinct in ethnic enclaves


Note: here are a few areas I tend to support the Democrats position and not the Republicans.

Veterans benefits
Trade
Support of OSHA and MSHA
Job training & retraining
Workers Comp.
Unemployment Insurance (Limited)
Min Wage increase (Limited)
Support for Postal Service
Pension protections
Consumer protection

What is a pro-pornography position?

 

[sword]

over the years most attempts to regulate and restrict pornography have been proposed by conservative members of congress (state and federal) and most attempts to block legislation have been by Democrats.

The ACLU and liberal judges have fought every lawful attempt by state and federal legislators to restrict pornography including child pornography on the internet. Some Democrats in congress have worked across the isle to address child pornography and have been over turned by the courts.

 

[LongGone]

over the years most attempts to regulate and restrict pornography have been proposed by conservative members of congress (state and federal) and most attempts to block legislation have been by Democrats.

The ACLU and liberal judges have fought every lawful attempt by state and federal legislators to restrict pornography including child pornography on the internet. Some Democrats in congress have worked across the isle to address child pornography and have been over turned by the courts.

Child pornography is against the law and you will be arrested if it is found on your computer. Show me the court cases that allow child pornography.

 

[sword]

over the years most attempts to regulate and restrict pornography have been proposed by conservative members of congress (state and federal) and most attempts to block legislation have been by Democrats.

The ACLU and liberal judges have fought every lawful attempt by state and federal legislators to restrict pornography including child pornography on the internet. Some Democrats in congress have worked across the isle to address child pornography and have been over turned by the courts.

Child pornography is against the law and you will be arrested if it is found on your computer. Show me the court cases that allow child pornography.

The ACLU and liberal judges are constantly fighting pornography laws. I find New York v. Ferber to be one of the worst. Here is a partial list:

Roth v. United States 1957
The ACLU fought to protect pornography under the 1St amendment & lost.

New York's "Smut Peddling Law
The case concerned New York's "Smut Peddling Law," which criminalized the sale to children under 17 of material deemed by the state to be "harmful to minors." Sam Ginsberg
Ginsberg v. State of N. Y. Ginsberg lost and the ACLU filed an appeal on his behalf.

H.R. 4623
Bans ""virtual or computer-generated child pornography.
Fought by ACLU in New York v. Ferber (ALCU lost)

CDA (Communications Decency Act),
part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act: made it illegal to knowingly transmit "obscene or indecent messages to any recipient under the age of 18."
-SC found the CDA unconstitutionally overbroad in Reno v. ACLU: Internet, unlike broadcasting, has full 1st amendment protection
Struck down after Reno v. ACLU

Child Pornography Protection Act (CPPA)

-1996: made it illegal to send or possess digital images of child pornography
-illegal to send or possess an image that "is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicity conduct," or if the image is advertised or distributed in a way "that conveys the impression" that a minor is "engaging in sexually explicit conduct"
The ACLU fought CPPA in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition  (ACLU)

Child Online Protection Act (COPA) (1998)

-Where the CDA broadly limited obscene, indecent, or offensive content, COPA banned Internet distribution to children of material "harmful to minors," defined in part as being designed to pander to prurient interest, determined by applying contemporary community standards
-COPA's restriction on transmitting harmful content applied only to people intending to profit using the Internet; also defined minors as 16 and younger, not 17 as CDA did
ACLU fought COPA in ACLU v. Gonzales,and  ACLU v. Mukasey and eventually won.

Children's Internet Protection Act (CIPA)
-2000: Schools and libraries that receive federal funding for Internet connections and computer equipment will not receive money if they do not install "technology protection measures" on their computers accessing the Internet.
CIPA was fought by the ACLU in Multnomah County Public Library et al. v. Ashcroft and in US v. ALA

https://www.aclu.org/search/pornography%20cases
https://www.aclu.org/blog/speakeasy/we-must-combat-child-pornography-without-abandoning-online-privacy
https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-gonzales-challenge-child-online-protection-act

 

[LongGone]

over the years most attempts to regulate and restrict pornography have been proposed by conservative members of congress (state and federal) and most attempts to block legislation have been by Democrats.

The ACLU and liberal judges have fought every lawful attempt by state and federal legislators to restrict pornography including child pornography on the internet. Some Democrats in congress have worked across the isle to address child pornography and have been over turned by the courts.

Child pornography is against the law and you will be arrested if it is found on your computer. Show me the court cases that allow child pornography.

The ACLU and liberal judges are constantly fighting pornography laws. I find New York v. Ferber to be one of the worst. Here is a partial list:

Roth v. United States 1957
The ACLU fought to protect pornography under the 1St amendment & lost.

New York's "Smut Peddling Law
The case concerned New York's "Smut Peddling Law," which criminalized the sale to children under 17 of material deemed by the state to be "harmful to minors." Sam Ginsberg
Ginsberg v. State of N. Y. Ginsberg lost and the ACLU filed an appeal on his behalf.

H.R. 4623
Bans ""virtual or computer-generated child pornography.
Fought by ACLU in New York v. Ferber (ALCU lost)

CDA (Communications Decency Act),
part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act: made it illegal to knowingly transmit "obscene or indecent messages to any recipient under the age of 18."
-SC found the CDA unconstitutionally overbroad in Reno v. ACLU: Internet, unlike broadcasting, has full 1st amendment protection
Struck down after Reno v. ACLU

Child Pornography Protection Act (CPPA)

-1996: made it illegal to send or possess digital images of child pornography
-illegal to send or possess an image that "is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicity conduct," or if the image is advertised or distributed in a way "that conveys the impression" that a minor is "engaging in sexually explicit conduct"
The ACLU fought CPPA in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition  (ACLU)

Child Online Protection Act (COPA) (1998)

-Where the CDA broadly limited obscene, indecent, or offensive content, COPA banned Internet distribution to children of material "harmful to minors," defined in part as being designed to pander to prurient interest, determined by applying contemporary community standards
-COPA's restriction on transmitting harmful content applied only to people intending to profit using the Internet; also defined minors as 16 and younger, not 17 as CDA did
ACLU fought COPA in ACLU v. Gonzales,and  ACLU v. Mukasey and eventually won.

Children's Internet Protection Act (CIPA)
-2000: Schools and libraries that receive federal funding for Internet connections and computer equipment will not receive money if they do not install "technology protection measures" on their computers accessing the Internet.
CIPA was fought by the ACLU in Multnomah County Public Library et al. v. Ashcroft and in US v. ALA

https://www.aclu.org/search/pornography%20cases
https://www.aclu.org/blog/speakeasy/we-must-combat-child-pornography-without-abandoning-online-privacy
https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-gonzales-challenge-child-online-protection-act

I am sorry but this started as a conversation about Democrats and Republicans not about the ACLU. The Reno mentioned is Janet Reno and is a Democrat that was opposing the ACLU. The ACLU does not represent Democrats any more than the KKK represents Republicans.

You do realize that you voted for the only President that has been in a pornographic film? Trump was in three Playboy videos.

Nothing you have submitted can remotely say that the Democratic party is pro-pornography.

 

[sword]

The connection to the ACLU and pornography is the liberal, Democrat appointed judges*, who rule against every pornography law that is passed. Even ?animated? child pornography is considered Art and free speech by left leaning judges. Nearly every political candidate the ACLU endorses is democrats. Many of the prominent Democrats proudly declare they are card carrying members of the ACLU. Can you name the last Republican who the ACLU endorsed or that claimed to be a card carrying member of the ACLU?

Even if I give you this one and state Democrat are anti-pornography, and some are, what about the other 49 issues listed. You claim Christians (evangelicals) vote for Republicans because of the Abortion issue. I claim there are at least 100 more reasons a Christian would vote for a Republican over a Democrat. 

I will concede Trump has the lowest moral character of any Republican President in modern history. I think he sets and has set a bad example for the young people of America and is impetuous in his statements and tweets. Given the two choices we had he still stand for more of the policies I believe in as a Christian. I think think the Vice President is a far better role model for our country.

* Even some ultra conservative judges have been friendly to the porn industry in recent years. 

 

[LongGone]

The connection to the ACLU and pornography is the liberal, Democrat appointed judges*, who rule against every pornography law that is passed. Even ?animated? child pornography is considered Art and free speech by left leaning judges. Nearly every political candidate the ACLU endorses is democrats. Many of the prominent Democrats proudly declare they are card carrying members of the ACLU. Can you name the last Republican who the ACLU endorsed or that claimed to be a card carrying member of the ACLU?

Even if I give you this one and state Democrat are anti-pornography, and some are, what about the other 49 issues listed. You claim Christians (evangelicals) vote for Republicans because of the Abortion issue. I claim there are at least 100 more reasons a Christian would vote for a Republican over a Democrat. 

I will concede Trump has the lowest moral character of any Republican President in modern history. I think he sets and has set a bad example for the young people of America and is impetuous in his statements and tweets. Given the two choices we had he still stand for more of the policies I believe in as a Christian. I think think the Vice President is a far better role model for our country.

* Even some ultra conservative judges have been friendly to the porn industry in recent years. 

Let's start with the ACLU. For the sake of argument former Republican State Party Chair Chris Vance and Dan Satterberg a Republican Prosecuting Attorney in Washington both joined the ACLU recently. There is a recent book written by Sheila Suess Kennedy on called "What's a Nice Republican Girl Like me Doing in the ACLU". Having said that I can not characterize Republicans as beating down the ACLU's door in get in I would say that the ACLU has tried to be fair in defending the free speech of everyone (not just the left) including Confederate Veteran Groups, the Nationalist Socialist Party (Nazi Group) , the KKK, Washington Redskins, Russ Limbaugh, Chick-fil-A, Westboro Baptist Church, Tea Party, Republican mega-donors Charles and David Koch, Oklahoma SAE frat in regards to racial slurs and students right to pray in school. I have difficulty with the argument that states because the ACLU argues for free speech in pornography cases and many ACLU members are democrats that it makes more sense for me as a Christian to vote for a Republican.

Actually I disagree with you on most of your 49 but trying to have 49 conversation going on at the same time would be more time than I am willing to devote to the forum. Once we finish those 49 I am anxious to see your other 50 reasons

I agree with you that Pence is both a better role model and person than Trump. I disagree with Pence on many issues and would never see myself voting for him but believe government would be better with him as President than Trump.  I admit there is a part of me that thinks how can Pence be a outspoken Evangelical and be willing to be on the ticket with Trump and defend decisions and behavior of Trump.

 

[LongGone]

Here is a list of Liberal policies and positions in which I disagree to some degree or another. It is not an exhaustive list and it is in no particular order.  I can make a similar list of Conservative views in which I disagree, but it would be much shorter list.

Pro pornography positions
Planned Parenthood
Gay Marriage
Excessive taxation
Transgender rights
Loose Immigration policies
Movement to eliminate genders 
Anti-2nd amendment position
Current welfare policies
Failure to support / honor fallen soldiers
Partial birth abortion
Anti-God and anti-church agenda
National control of schools versus local control
Anti-Israel policies
Pro Islam agenda
Open borders and refugee resettlement in US
Legalization of drugs
Support of Progressive judges
Support for universal single payer healthcare
Policies regarding LGBT community in the military
Policy toward Iran including cash payments & reduced sanctions
Policy regarding HAMAS
Extreme views regarding climate change and it's effects on the economy and jobs.
Approach to Social Justice
Pandering On The Basis Of Race
Pandering On The Basis Of income
Extreme political correctness and anti-1st amendment
Pro socialist policies
Anti-energy policies.
Excessive Regulations that invade private property rights
Excessive use of eminent domain
Opposition to Voter ID laws and honest elections
Opposition to school choice
Support for anti-police movement
Weak crime and enforcement policies
Extreme Affirmative Action policies
Position on the death penalty
Position on Euthanasia & Physician-assisted suicide
Policies regarding UN and reductions of national sovereignty
Support for the BLM and occupy Wall Street, & protests movements (riots).
Public owned low income housing & housing projects
Rent control programs
Unfunded free college tuition for all
Unfunded college loan forgiveness
Expanded government
Attacks of religious freedom rights
Anti-morality policies
Opposition to the rule of law
Support of Judicial Activism and opposes strict constructionism in interpreting the law.
Oppose intelligent design & creation as theories of our origin
Oppose assimilation of immigrants and encourage remaining separate and distinct in ethnic enclaves


Note: here are a few areas I tend to support the Democrats position and not the Republicans.

Veterans benefits
Trade
Support of OSHA and MSHA
Job training & retraining
Workers Comp.
Unemployment Insurance (Limited)
Min Wage increase (Limited)
Support for Postal Service
Pension protections
Consumer protection

The second one that you place on there was Planned Parenthood. We can agree that abortion is wrong. What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

 

[Ransom]

What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

Ah, the "Hitler loved puppies; all is forgiven" argument.

 

[LongGone]

What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

Ah, the "Hitler loved puppies; all is forgiven" argument.

No that is not the argument. We have already agreed on abortion. If there is more than that then it could be discussed. IMHO providing contraceptives whether through PP or another vehicle appears to have a positive impact on the number of abortions. I think we can all agree that fewer abortions is a good thing.

 

[BibleGal]

The problem isn't when a woman wants to have control over her own body.

The problem comes after she's taken control, doing that very thing which causes life

Then choses to take control over someone elses body which resides within them in an unimaginable sinister way

To dismember, burn and torture another human life.

That is not her choice to make, and certainly after she's already made a bad choice to create the situation.

So sad. Prayer needed for all of these Mothers and babies

 

[Ransom]

No that is not the argument. We have already agreed on abortion. If there is more than that then it could be discussed. IMHO providing contraceptives whether through PP or another vehicle appears to have a positive impact on the number of abortions. I think we can all agree that fewer abortions is a good thing.

Planned Parenthood provides no services that cannot be obtained elsewhere. They deserve to be driven out of business for their commission of mass infanticide. The harm to society will be negligible if it exists at all.

 

[sword]

The second one that you place on there was Planned Parenthood. We can agree that abortion is wrong. What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

Just to name a few:

Providing sex education training to children as young as preschool.

Provide K4 -12 grade workshops and in school education on safer sex, sexual orientation/ homophobia, sexuality education.

Provides training for public and private school teachers on transgender issues, sexual orientation awareness, safer sex practices and identifying homophobia.

Similar training programs for other professionals who work with children, teens, and
young adults such as; addiction counselors, group home staff, nurses, physicians, prison staff, rehabilitation counselors, religious leaders, and social workers.

Lobbing Congress and state governments in support of abortion rights.

Selling of child body parts.

High pressure counseling of clients promoting abortion over other options.

Online and direct mail efforts to clients, activists and donors on latest policies and pending legislation affecting reproductive rights and other social issues.

All subsidized with taxpayer dollars.

 

[LongGone]

The second one that you place on there was Planned Parenthood. We can agree that abortion is wrong. What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

Just to name a few:

Providing sex education training to children as young as preschool.

Provide K4 -12 grade workshops and in school education on safer sex, sexual orientation/ homophobia, sexuality education.

Provides training for public and private school teachers on transgender issues, sexual orientation awareness, safer sex practices and identifying homophobia.

Similar training programs for other professionals who work with children, teens, and
young adults such as; addiction counselors, group home staff, nurses, physicians, prison staff, rehabilitation counselors, religious leaders, and social workers.

Lobbing Congress and state governments in support of abortion rights.

Selling of child body parts.

High pressure counseling of clients promoting abortion over other options.

Online and direct mail efforts to clients, activists and donors on latest policies and pending legislation affecting reproductive rights and other social issues.

All subsidized with taxpayer dollars.

They don't provide sex education for pre-school children. They provide potential answers for parents who feel that they need this help.

Their own material states that parents play a critical and central role in providing sex education. Their material states the teach sexual behavior including abstinence.

There are LGVTQ-focused programs for LGBTQ youth and their parents/caregivers. What are your suggestions for these youth?

The National Institutes of Health Revitalization Act of 1993 allows a woman to consent to donating fetal tissue after an abortion. This tissue then can be donated to researchers but allows providers to charge vaguely defined "reasonable payments associated with transportation, processing, preservation, quality control or storage of human fetal tissue. Planned Parenthood recoups their cost but does not make a profit on fetal tissue.

I know there are "stories" of how PP pressured people into an abortion. Their literature states only you know what is best for you. I never have been a PP patient or the partner of a PP patient. I did work in Human Services for 28 years with many women who used the services. I never heard a complaint of someone being pressured and the few time the subject came up woman told of being told their options and PP being supportive of what they chose. I worked in Medicaid 7 of those 28 years and know we paid for a lot of births of women that also used PP.  Was my state unique or was this the norm?

There is not a line item in the budget for PP. When there is discussion about Federal Funding it is through Medicaid Reimbursement for preventive health care. Abortion can not be paid with Medicaid dollars except in the case of rape, incest or when a women's life is in danger. PP also get Title X funding that can only be used to support family planning healthcare.

There are places where PP is the only available provider. If they were defunded would another organisation incorporate to become a Medicaid and Title X provider. Good chance. Would that organization be pro-life or pro-choice. Actually at this point there is no reason why a pro-life organization could not become a provider to compete with PP.  The other reality is that even if you don't allow PP to be a provider then would the other potential providers be as conservative as you would want them to be?

For the most recent fiscal year PP received $528 million in federal, state and local dollars. They also received $305 million in non governmental sources. The money they received from government is for specified services and other services such as abortion comes from the nongovernmental sources.

If there is another way to provide services without PP I have no issue with that. I am not convinced you really are going to have a different result at the end of the day. Your premise is that a Christian should be a Republican. One reason is the support of PP. Don't you find it interesting that PP is funded (through Medicaid and Title X) whether the Republicans have the majority or the Democrats have the majority? Even in the current Republican budget nothing changes in regard to Planned Parenthood. Actually to make that happen the federal government would have to tell states they could not enroll PP as a Medicaid provider (which doesn't seem very Republican in regards to states rights).

I don't see how PP is part of the moral reason to be a Republican when nothing changes when Republicans are in charge. Actually I think some Republicans have been dishonest in how they present  how PP is paid for services.

 

[sword]

Here is a list of Liberal policies and positions in which I disagree to some degree or another. It is not an exhaustive list and it is in no particular order.  I can make a similar list of Conservative views in which I disagree, but it would be much shorter list.
Pro pornography positions
Planned Parenthood
Gay Marriage
Excessive taxation
Transgender rights
Loose Immigration policies
Movement to eliminate genders 
Anti-2nd amendment position
Current welfare policies
Failure to support / honor fallen soldiers
Partial birth abortion
Anti-God and anti-church agenda
National control of schools versus local control
Anti-Israel policies
Pro Islam agenda
Open borders and refugee resettlement in US
Legalization of drugs
Support of Progressive judges
Support for universal single payer healthcare
Policies regarding LGBT community in the military
Policy toward Iran including cash payments & reduced sanctions
Policy regarding HAMAS
Extreme views regarding climate change and it's effects on the economy and jobs.
Approach to Social Justice
Pandering On The Basis Of Race
Pandering On The Basis Of income
Extreme political correctness and anti-1st amendment
Pro socialist policies
Anti-energy policies.
Excessive Regulations that invade private property rights
Excessive use of eminent domain
Opposition to Voter ID laws and honest elections
Opposition to school choice
Support for anti-police movement
Weak crime and enforcement policies
Extreme Affirmative Action policies
Position on the death penalty
Position on Euthanasia & Physician-assisted suicide
Policies regarding UN and reductions of national sovereignty
Support for the BLM and occupy Wall Street, & protests movements (riots).
Public owned low income housing & housing projects
Rent control programs
Unfunded free college tuition for all
Unfunded college loan forgiveness
Expanded government
Attacks of religious freedom rights
Anti-morality policies
Opposition to the rule of law
Support of Judicial Activism and opposes strict constructionism in interpreting the law.
Oppose intelligent design & creation as theories of our origin
Oppose assimilation of immigrants and encourage remaining separate and distinct in ethnic enclaves


Note: here are a few areas I tend to support the Democrats position and not the Republicans.

Veterans benefits
Trade
Support of OSHA and MSHA
Job training & retraining
Workers Comp.
Unemployment Insurance (Limited)
Min Wage increase (Limited)
Support for Postal Service
Pension protections
Consumer protection

The second one that you place on there was Planned Parenthood. We can agree that abortion is wrong. What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

I gave you at least 50 reasons why I vote for the most conservative Democrat or Republican on the ballot.
Based on their voting record and party platform I have to pick Republican in every case.
Many Republicans are not as far right as I would like, but in almost every case they tend to vote more conservative than your friends across the aisle.

Of my 50 reasons, you questioned my position that liberal judges tend to support & defend pornography. I will concede some of the strongest positions against porn over the years, has come from the women in the Democratic Party.  You also basically argue that Planned Parenthood does enough good to offset the "legal" murdering of babies. If you think supporting Planned Parenthood is Christian, then we can just agree to disagree. 

What about the other 48 reasons I vote Republican. What say ye on those?

 

[LongGone]

Here is a list of Liberal policies and positions in which I disagree to some degree or another. It is not an exhaustive list and it is in no particular order.  I can make a similar list of Conservative views in which I disagree, but it would be much shorter list.
Pro pornography positions
Planned Parenthood
Gay Marriage
Excessive taxation
Transgender rights
Loose Immigration policies
Movement to eliminate genders 
Anti-2nd amendment position
Current welfare policies
Failure to support / honor fallen soldiers
Partial birth abortion
Anti-God and anti-church agenda
National control of schools versus local control
Anti-Israel policies
Pro Islam agenda
Open borders and refugee resettlement in US
Legalization of drugs
Support of Progressive judges
Support for universal single payer healthcare
Policies regarding LGBT community in the military
Policy toward Iran including cash payments & reduced sanctions
Policy regarding HAMAS
Extreme views regarding climate change and it's effects on the economy and jobs.
Approach to Social Justice
Pandering On The Basis Of Race
Pandering On The Basis Of income
Extreme political correctness and anti-1st amendment
Pro socialist policies
Anti-energy policies.
Excessive Regulations that invade private property rights
Excessive use of eminent domain
Opposition to Voter ID laws and honest elections
Opposition to school choice
Support for anti-police movement
Weak crime and enforcement policies
Extreme Affirmative Action policies
Position on the death penalty
Position on Euthanasia & Physician-assisted suicide
Policies regarding UN and reductions of national sovereignty
Support for the BLM and occupy Wall Street, & protests movements (riots).
Public owned low income housing & housing projects
Rent control programs
Unfunded free college tuition for all
Unfunded college loan forgiveness
Expanded government
Attacks of religious freedom rights
Anti-morality policies
Opposition to the rule of law
Support of Judicial Activism and opposes strict constructionism in interpreting the law.
Oppose intelligent design & creation as theories of our origin
Oppose assimilation of immigrants and encourage remaining separate and distinct in ethnic enclaves


Note: here are a few areas I tend to support the Democrats position and not the Republicans.

Veterans benefits
Trade
Support of OSHA and MSHA
Job training & retraining
Workers Comp.
Unemployment Insurance (Limited)
Min Wage increase (Limited)
Support for Postal Service
Pension protections
Consumer protection

The second one that you place on there was Planned Parenthood. We can agree that abortion is wrong. What other services does Planned Parenthood provide that you do not agree with?

I gave you at least 50 reasons why I vote for the most conservative Democrat or Republican on the ballot.
Based on their voting record and party platform I have to pick Republican in every case.
Many Republicans are not as far right as I would like, but in almost every case they tend to vote more conservative than your friends across the aisle.

Of my 50 reasons, you questioned my position that liberal judges tend to support & defend pornography. I will concede some of the strongest positions against porn over the years, has come from the women in the Democratic Party.  You also basically argue that Planned Parenthood does enough good to offset the "legal" murdering of babies. If you think supporting Planned Parenthood is Christian, then we can just agree to disagree. 

What about the other 48 reasons I vote Republican. What say ye on those?

I am happy to go through them as I get a chance. I will say that I am not as interested in why you vote Republican but your premise that basically a Christian who knows their Bible will vote Republican.  My feeling is that Republicans give Evangelicals lip service but very little is done that actually makes a difference. I don't think either party has a moral upper hand.

 

[sword]

I wish the "right" was far more conservative than they are but compared to the Left it's no contest. The reason the Republicans can't deal with some of the issues you discuss is because there are few if any conservative Democrats who will vote with them and we still have a few liberal Republicans that need voted out and replaced.

You act as if the Republicans have not tried to deal with some of the issues you bring up. The country is very divided as we see every election.