TheVoice said:
This is true but the Bible reveals to us the nature of God. God is Love. God is Life. He also gave us commands like do not kill, love your enemy. These commands (and many others) help us follow the nature of God.
Just where did you read "God is love"...... in the Law given by Moses? Please share.....
By the way, the Law given to Moses said "an eye for an eye". Not to love your enemies. Jesus witnessed to this Matthew 5.
Paul even tells us the law is holy [Romans 6]. Is not holiness part of the Nature of God? Without the Word (which God exalted above his own name) every Christians interpretation of God's nature would produce a different set of morality.
Its Romans 7 and finish what Paul said. He said "he wasn't holy" or
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Yes we need Grace to do right, but we also cannot do right without Knowledge (Law).
Are you saying the Spirit of God doesn't impart knowledge?..... What a "revelation".
I never claimed you did. Simply asked what Freedom meant to you. I was pointing out that in the verse freedom could just as easily refer to Salvation (freedom from Hell) as it could refer to freedom from the LAW. Also showed how the Scriptures say we will deal with the consequences of our action even after Salvation.
Just what does these verses mean to you?
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
I talked about the natural law that exists in this life. A law that preexisted the law of Moses and determined death upon every man. A law that is still affects the believer. It has nothing to do with the "Law of God" given to Moses.
Do you realize that death reigned from Adam to Moses? Even upon those who didn't sin after the transgression of Adam himself? Why is that? Do you know why and what relationship it has to the "Law of God"?
You then went on some bunny trail about how death will not touch you. For one death is not the only seed Christians sows. If you sow lies you will reap dishonest. If you sow hatred , you will reap hatred.
Bunny trail? I didn't know you where the one defining the "trail" this discussion should follow!!!! If you're having a hard time following, then we can stay on the "yellow brick road". Just.... next time, set the rules out in the open.... BEFORE... you take issue with what "trail" I take.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Yet you ignore verse 24 that show Righteousness is imputed to us for justification (salvation) not sanctification. We should never add our own righteousness to salvation, but the Law's purpose was always to tells us what sin is (Romans 3:20,31)
This is getting juicy.... So... Sanctification comes by keeping the "Law of God"? Be specific. Don't talk around it.....
As a Christian, do you have fellowship with God when you sin? Notice I said "when you sin". Don't pretend you've ceased sinning.
Yes sin existed before the law but it was dead [Romans 7:8]. Even the verse you quoted reinforces that God did not hold man accountable for sin until AFTER the law. Without the knowledge of sin (law) man could not have morality. Which is what I claimed.
Don't misapply Romans 7:8. Paul was speaking of himself. Not the order or revelation in the giving of the Law of God.
Imputation of Sin? These verses all talk about the imputation of Righteousness not the imputation of Sin. They also all refer to salvation not sanctification.
Get a grip man.... Don't twist what I said. The imputation of Righteousness upon man didn't come about until the imputation of sin upon the Lord Jesus Christ. It wasn't HIS sin. IT was OUR sin that He bore in His own body on the tree. The RIGHTEOUS for the UNRIGHTEOUS. This the very core of what is witnessed in the verses I quoted.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
This is a good question. The simple answer is in my flesh I can only sin. In the spirit I can only do right. Every day we are bombarded with temptation to sin and must chose to yield to the spirit or the flesh. This struggle is best summed up by Paul in Romans 7:15-25.
Man.... we go through all of this for you say you can only do right through the Spirit..... you must agree with me then? If you can only do right through the Spirit, then why are you talking about a law that you can only serve through the FLESH?
