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DrHuk&Duck said:
Question: do you believe duck hunting and fishing are also animal cruelty?
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If you're turning your duck loose in an aviary and chasing it around inflicting multiple injuries until it's too weak and tired out to fly and you can drive a skewer through its heart, I would call that cruel.

I think killing for sport is problematic at best. Not because of any cruelty, but because it seems to be more about a desire to kill than it is a freezer full of venison.

No. No. No. It's about the thrill of the hunt. blah blah blah​
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What if instead of a rifle your instrument were a camera?

And I can find no justification whatever for so-called 'big game' hunting.

I don't think Nimrod hunted for sport, but if he did I don't think he was called a mighty hunter before the Lord because he took his game from a distance with precision artillery. Now if someone shows me the thirty-point buck he took just with his wits and a k-bar, I would be impressed.

It's my opinion that Nimrod was hunter like that of Beowulf--someone who was contracted to kill beasts that posed a threat to the safety of a community and that were too mighty for the average man.
 
Ekklesian said:
If you're turning your duck loose in an aviary and chasing it around inflicting multiple injuries until it's too weak and tired out to fly and you can drive a skewer through its heart, I would call that cruel.

I think killing for sport is problematic at best. Not because of any cruelty, but because it seems to be more about a desire to kill than it is a freezer full of venison.

No. No. No. It's about the thrill of the hunt. blah blah blah​
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What if instead of a rifle your instrument were a camera?

And I can find no justification whatever for so-called 'big game' hunting.

I don't think Nimrod hunted for sport, but if he did I don't think he was called a mighty hunter before the Lord because he took his game from a distance with precision artillery. Now if someone shows me the thirty-point buck he took just with his wits and a k-bar, I would be impressed.

It's my opinion that Nimrod was hunter like that of Beowulf--someone who was contracted to kill beasts that posed a threat to the safety of a community and that were too mighty for the average man.
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if you want to rant ..rave.. and show your astounding ignorance on matters you don;t understand - why don;t you start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one?.......
 
aleshanee said:
if you want to rant ..rave.. and show your astounding ignorance on matters you don;t understand - why don;t you start your own thread instead of trying to hijack this one?.......
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I was just answering a question posed to me. Sorry. I shoulda asked your permission first.
 
Re: Hunting

Truthfully, I hunt and fish for both the sport of it and the food.

I C&R over 90% of my fish. My daughter doesn’t like eating fish at all, and my wife only eats fish on rare occasions. I’m just not going to go through the hassle of cleaning and cooking fish for one. If my wife says she wouldn’t mind doing some fish tacos or whatever, then I’ll keep a couple and prep them and we’ll eat them the same night or the very next day. I mainly fish for relaxation in nature and the anticipation of a bent rod.

Duck hunting is a hobby that I get to do very little of. I have a kid in high school, a full time job, and regular life responsibilities. The season only lasts a couple months, deduct bad weather weekends, holidays and weekends with chores and other stuff happening in life, and I’m lucky if I get out more than a few times a season. Hopefully a few years from now I’ll be able to get out more often. I never shoot a duck for fun. It always gets taken home and cooked. I even have taken home coots, which are the worst tasting birds known to man (unless you’re Cajun), but even those will get cleaned and cooked. I usually feed coots to my dog. I don’t consider that a waste, because she’s getting fresh, non-processed meat mixed in with her unhealthy store food, and dogs have to eat too.

I could easily go out and shoot a camera instead of a gun, or I could paddle a kayak instead of casting a line, but it wouldn’t make me feel as satisfied. For one thing, if the world ever starts to fall apart, having sharp fishing and hunting skills will come in handy. There’s also the cultural aspect. My family is from the South and hunting and fishing go back generations. I have kept that tradition alive and have tried to pass it on to my kid, nephews and nieces.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
Re: Hunting

Truthfully, I hunt and fish for both the sport of it and the food.

I C&R over 90% of my fish. My daughter doesn’t like eating fish at all, and my wife only eats fish on rare occasions. I’m just not going to go through the hassle of cleaning and cooking fish for one. If my wife says she wouldn’t mind doing some fish tacos or whatever, then I’ll keep a couple and prep them and we’ll eat them the same night or the very next day. I mainly fish for relaxation in nature and the anticipation of a bent rod.

Duck hunting is a hobby that I get to do very little of. I have a kid in high school, a full time job, and regular life responsibilities. The season only lasts a couple months, deduct bad weather weekends, holidays and weekends with chores and other stuff happening in life, and I’m lucky if I get out more than a few times a season. Hopefully a few years from now I’ll be able to get out more often. I never shoot a duck for fun. It always gets taken home and cooked. I even have taken home coots, which are the worst tasting birds known to man (unless you’re Cajun), but even those will get cleaned and cooked. I usually feed coots to my dog. I don’t consider that a waste, because she’s getting fresh, non-processed meat mixed in with her unhealthy store food, and dogs have to eat too.

I could easily go out and shoot a camera instead of a gun, or I could paddle a kayak instead of casting a line, but it wouldn’t make me feel as satisfied. For one thing, if the world ever starts to fall apart, having sharp fishing and hunting skills will come in handy. There’s also the cultural aspect. My family is from the South and hunting and fishing go back generations. I have kept that tradition alive and have tried to pass it on to my kid, nephews and nieces.
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I know of one individual that I would say truly hunted for the meat. He wasn't interested in the kill. He was interested in the meat and the leather. He witnessed a deer impact on the road one day, and he took the carcass to a local meat locker. He would go hunting every season, but for doe. If he took a buck it was young. Again, he was interested in the food, not the trophy. His gear was modest. Just a .30-06 with a 9-power scope.

I'd known him most of my life. I had a crush on his daughter in school. At the '83 prom I went stag (ha ha) and she came with a date, but she danced with me half the night. Her date was getting a bit riled. He was older and bigger than I was, so I told her she should probably dance with the one who brung her. (Dancing...a perk of attending an SBC church). I was a very insecure kid, so I never got up the nerve to ask her out. Years later he told me she was sitting around the house for months after that prom waiting for me to call. That wasn't something to say to a guy who was realizing he was caught in a bad match. But I digress.

But there's a distinction to be made between sport hunting and forage hunting. One is about the kill or the trophy, the other is about sustenance.

The individual of whom I was speaking was truly a forage hunter.
 
Ekklesian said:
But there's a distinction to be made between sport hunting and forage hunting. One is about the kill or the trophy, the other is about sustenance.
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I think the lines are blurry depending on the hunter. Unfortunately, I’ve known a couple of “if it flies, it dies” guys. I go out of my way to avoid them. The actual killing part I’m not fond of, but I enjoy the pursuit and the benefit of the meat—whether duck or fish. Most hunters are the biggest animal lovers and conservationists you’ll find. Because I only get to hunt a few times a year, I’ve had entire seasons go by where I never shot my gun. I still enjoyed getting out in nature and the anticipation of a duck. I also still donate to Ducks Unlimited every year because they do more than anyone to help restore and purchase wetlands.
 
aleshanee said:
i know plenty of people here in hawaii who think exactly like that.. .they believe any and all usage of animals by man is cruelty... .. they even protested several years ago when the state began issuing hunting licenses for the purposes of removing a dangerous invasive species - the wild hogs that were overrunning oahu... ...that was how i was able to get my hunting license and we have been contracted many times over the years to remove problem pigs from dozens of private properties..... ..but they are not wasted. . .... the pigs we harvest have filled many freezers - incluing our own freezers multiple times.... . but they also help the family that cooks them for us supply luaus .... ..... nothing better in a luau than wild boar... 😋....

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I hunted wild boar once down in the Glades area. I ended up with a small one. A buddy and me processed it and cooked it in a variety of ways. It probably would have tasted a lot better if I’d done luau style. Anyway, it wasn’t really my thing. I just enjoy being on the water better. No offense to people who hunt boar. I actually respect that because they’re very invasive here.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I hunted wild boar once down in the Glades area. I ended up with a small one. A buddy and me processed it and cooked it in a variety of ways. It probably would have tasted a lot better if I’d done luau style. Anyway, it wasn’t really my thing. I just enjoy being on the water better. No offense to people who hunt boar. I actually respect that because they’re very invasive here.
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I'd love to go to one of those outfits where you rent an AR-15 (if you don't have one), they take you up in a helicopter and blast little piggies. Not sure you come away with any meat but it's (cost) effective hog control.

 
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abcaines said:
I'd love to go to one of those outfits where you rent an AR-15 (if you don't have one), they take you up in a helicopter and blast little piggies. Not sure you come away with any meat but it's (cost) effective hog control.
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I don’t have a pic of the one we went in, but it was something like this one. You cross a couple miles of swampland to get to the dry areas where the hogs are. I don’t have enough expertise to say much more. It was more of my buddy’s family ranch down south. I was just along for the adventure.
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abcaines said:
I'd love to go to one of those outfits where you rent an AR-15 (if you don't have one), they take you up in a helicopter and blast little piggies. Not sure you come away with any meat but it's (cost) effective hog control.

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Culling should be done by people who don't get a thrill out of it.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I think the lines are blurry depending on the hunter. Unfortunately, I’ve known a couple of “if it flies, it dies” guys. I go out of my way to avoid them. The actual killing part I’m not fond of, but I enjoy the pursuit and the benefit of the meat—whether duck or fish. Most hunters are the biggest animal lovers and conservationists you’ll find. Because I only get to hunt a few times a year, I’ve had entire seasons go by where I never shot my gun. I still enjoyed getting out in nature and the anticipation of a duck. I also still donate to Ducks Unlimited every year because they do more than anyone to help restore and purchase wetlands.
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it;s a very unpopular view for those on the left... ...but had it not been for sport hunters - the laws they lobbied for - and organizations they started like ducks unlimited - certain species of animals now hunted during specific seasons under license would have become extinct in north america.. .. ..it;s a fact i don;t like any better than the left does... but sport hunters were the first conservationists - and the reason they wanted wild lands preserved and laws against poaching passed was so the land and the animals would be there when they got ready to go hunting.... .. the left with it;s animal rights activists and peta were late comers to the fight over preserving land and wildlife..... and in their view the very same people who started the whole thing are now their enemy......
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I hunted wild boar once down in the Glades area. I ended up with a small one. A buddy and me processed it and cooked it in a variety of ways. It probably would have tasted a lot better if I’d done luau style. Anyway, it wasn’t really my thing. I just enjoy being on the water better. No offense to people who hunt boar. I actually respect that because they’re very invasive here.
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not long after the beginning of the pig removal project we were actually told to focus on shooting the smaller pigs whenever possible.... the svelts... juvenile females that would be breeders the following year..... . the wildlife guys told us that was the best way to reduce the population of wild pigs quickly.... ......i;m not sure about that theory... .. and didn;t like the idea at all.....

but right after that meeting we were hunting up in ka;au crater and i heard them moving in the brush closeby. ... so i went there and shot one exactly like they described then carried it back to camp..... when my sister saw it she said... "aww - it looks like arnold from green acres... .."..... and i immediately broke into tears then started crying.... ..(i cried a lot easier back then than i do now) ... to make matters worse my sister started laughing...

but a few hours later when night fell we ended up cooking it for dinner... .. we did that with a lot of the smaller pigs we shot on those hunts....... 10 times better than any pork you can buy in a market.. . ....a few days after we got back she posted something on the old fff forum about it..... ...told the whole story... .. but that ended up being what got me started writing accounts of our pig hunts on the forum... ..i wrote quite a few of them back then... most people liked them....

one downside about hunting wild boars is you can just as easily become the hunted as the hunter... especially at night... .. they can be vicious... and once they go the attack they do not stop... ..you have to plan out the way you hunt them very carefully
 
aleshanee said:
not long after the beginning of the pig removal project we were actually told to focus on shooting the smaller pigs whenever possible.... the svelts... juvenile females that would be breeders the following year..... . the wildlife guys told us that was the best way to reduce the population of wild pigs quickly.... ......i;m not sure about that theory... .. and didn;t like the idea at all.....

but right after that meeting we were hunting up in ka;au crater and i heard them moving in the brush closeby. ... so i went there and shot one exactly like they described then carried it back to camp..... when my sister saw it she said... "aww - it looks like arnold from green acres... .."..... and i immediately broke into tears then started crying.... ..(i cried a lot easier back then than i do now) ... to make matters worse my sister started laughing...

but a few hours later when night fell we ended up cooking it for dinner... .. we did that with a lot of the smaller pigs we shot on those hunts....... 10 times better than any pork you can buy in a market.. . ....a few days after we got back she posted something on the old fff forum about it..... ...told the whole story... .. but that ended up being what got me started writing accounts of our pig hunts on the forum... ..i wrote quite a few of them back then... most people liked them....

one downside about hunting wild boars is you can just as easily become the hunted as the hunter... especially at night... .. they can be vicious... and once they go the attack they do not stop... ..you have to plan out the way you hunt them very carefully
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On a similar note, my BIL is occasionally contracted to help kill off wild pigs in the northern Florida area. He’s invited me along a couple times but hasn’t ever worked with my schedule because they tend to do it at night. Anyway, they always butcher the meat, fill up a couple coolers, and donate it to some poor areas of town. Legally, the meat can’t be sold.
 
I just bought 3 acres next to my son in TX and we will hunt wild boars on it. No license needed. they are a pain in the neck, rooting and digging up the ground wherever they go. But we eat them.
 

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It may be time for a break from the obsession over the ugliness of a nature in rebellion against mankind.

The daughtero was a student assistant for an elementary art teacher when she was in high school. She had them making clay models one week. Anthropomorphized avocados were one subject. She brought a few home and I posed them in a diecast metal toy truck.

Family photo! lol

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