I, OTOH, am not a closet Catholic. I'm a completely open Episcopalutheran Anglo-Catholic. And I do like really old traditional music, such as Gregorian chants.
Rap music is not my music. I do not come from a culture in which rap music is the medium of communication and I do not have the ear for it that I have for other forms of music. But I do admire its virtuosity and the hold that is has on so many, for whom it is a first and dominant musical language. I want that language taken for the cause of the Gospel and I pray to see a generation of young Gospel-driven rappers take dominion of that music for the glory of God. I see that happening now, and I rejoice in it. I want to see them grow even more in influence, reaching people I cannot reach with music that will reach millions who desperately need the Gospel. The same way that folks who first heard Bach desperately needed to hear the Gospel.
aleshanee said:in my opinion.... most music today ... even ccm... maybe especially ccm.... has very little to do with worshiping or glorifying God.... and in fact... it doesn;t even have much to do with music..... it;s all about glorifying the musician or whichever performer is jumping around on the stage with their hands in the air and the microphone stuck in their face.....
any time you have to see the performer in action ... or be entertained by their antics, movements and facial expressions in order to get the most out of the music..... then the music has already fallen short of what would glorify God and even what would stand as an example of good music....
the finest music in the world is best enjoyed without all that and without even seeing the musician at all...... in fact seeing the musician in action or watching them contorting on a stage actually takes away from the experience of really good music.... and the best musicians and composers know this...... ...... the rest are like artists who paint images of themselves in all their work.... or photographers who are always shooting self portraits..... it;s all about them.... and very little else.......
I have put my head down, and closed my eyes, and listened to specials, for years. People say I'm rude. I say " I'm not staring at someone while they sing, especially not some chick."T-Bone said:aleshanee said:in my opinion.... most music today ... even ccm... maybe especially ccm.... has very little to do with worshiping or glorifying God.... and in fact... it doesn;t even have much to do with music..... it;s all about glorifying the musician or whichever performer is jumping around on the stage with their hands in the air and the microphone stuck in their face.....
any time you have to see the performer in action ... or be entertained by their antics, movements and facial expressions in order to get the most out of the music..... then the music has already fallen short of what would glorify God and even what would stand as an example of good music....
the finest music in the world is best enjoyed without all that and without even seeing the musician at all...... in fact seeing the musician in action or watching them contorting on a stage actually takes away from the experience of really good music.... and the best musicians and composers know this...... ...... the rest are like artists who paint images of themselves in all their work.... or photographers who are always shooting self portraits..... it;s all about them.... and very little else.......
I love this post...as a matter of fact, even in our church during special music, I always close my eyes...I don't want to be distracted by looking at the singer, but want to hear and focus on the Lord they are singing to!
FSSL said:Perhaps there is a misunderstanding... some of this comes off as just rude.
FSSL said:Perhaps there is a misunderstanding... some of this comes off as just rude.
Since our singing in church involves "teaching and admonishing one another" what good is it to not look at the person and join in with them? Would you not look at a SS teacher while they are teaching? Would you turn your head away from an elder who is admonishing you? (Col 3.16)
Let's not let a proud, arrogant special music singer distort what is really intended. If you cannot sing along or accept the teaching/admonishment, and find that you must turn your head down or away, there are FAR MORE problems in that church than a particular singer. RUN! Get yourself to a Third Day/Casting Crowns concert and find out what worship is like!
rsc2a said:[quote author=aleshanee]and regardless of when they lived or what they did all mankind is ultimately redeemed through the work of Christ on the cross......did Christ die to save a genre form of music?........
christundivided said:By the way, true "PRAISE"....isn't a performance.
rsc2a said:Will you be a Michal or a David? As for me and my family, we will celebrate before the Lord. I will make myself yet more contemptible than this, and I will be abased in your eyes. But by the joyfully redeemed of God of whom you have spoken, by them I shall be held in honor.
The Rogue Tomato said:christundivided said:By the way, true "PRAISE"....isn't a performance.
Well, that covers a lot of ground.
christundivided said:The Rogue Tomato said:christundivided said:By the way, true "PRAISE"....isn't a performance.
Well, that covers a lot of ground.
A performance... by very nature......is done exclusively to be seen of others.
Definition of performance "an act of staging or presenting a play, concert, or other form of entertainment."
Smellin Coffee said:christundivided said:The Rogue Tomato said:christundivided said:By the way, true "PRAISE"....isn't a performance.
Well, that covers a lot of ground.
A performance... by very nature......is done exclusively to be seen of others.
Definition of performance "an act of staging or presenting a play, concert, or other form of entertainment."
Kinda like preachers behind the pulpit...
Give yourself a slap, for posting this crap. The praise of men is really a trap. I'll give you some time, to spin a new rhyme, while I take my afternoon nap.FSSL said:Those poor saps! They won't rap and they dare not clap!![]()
christundivided said:rsc2a said:[quote author=aleshanee]and regardless of when they lived or what they did all mankind is ultimately redeemed through the work of Christ on the cross......did Christ die to save a genre form of music?........
The Christ died to redeem all of creation, music included.
Join in with a soloist, from your seat, and they'll be casting more than crowns. It'd be funny, I'd hi-5 as they walked you past.FSSL said:Perhaps there is a misunderstanding... some of this comes off as just rude.
Since our singing in church involves "teaching and admonishing one another" what good is it to not look at the person and join in with them? Would you not look at a SS teacher while they are teaching? Would you turn your head away from an elder who is admonishing you? (Col 3.16)
Let's not let a proud, arrogant special music singer distort what is really intended. If you cannot sing along or accept the teaching/admonishment, and find that you must turn your head down or away, there are FAR MORE problems in that church than a particular singer. RUN! Get yourself to a Third Day/Casting Crowns concert and find out what worship is like!