Reactions to Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage

[rsc2a]

I am talking about the idea that we must accept the lifestyle. Christians insisting that we should overlook it.

I largely agree with you here expect fur the first sentence. Why are we as believers so concerned with judging the world? We should instead be looking inward, both corporately and individually...including the leaders with odd hermeneutical leaps.

This sentence? To clarify, the Christians I am referring to are those who have twisted scripture where they could and ignored it when they couldn't to excuse homosexual activity. The "Jesus never mentioned it" argument comes to mind. Smellin' is a prime example of this kind of thinking.

FWIW I don't believe that the church is to judge the souls of people. At the same time, we have a story to tell and it includes some pretty controversial information. How do we explain that sin separates us from God and not be able call sin, sin? Any sin. All sin.

FWIW 2 sin IN the church is what we are to judge, no question.

We probably agree much more than we disagree on this issue.

 

[subllibrm]

Not trying to be vulgar at all.

If you put a gay man in bed with a beautiful woman and that woman is willing to have with that gay man that was "born" gay that gay man will have sex with that beautiful woman.

Say what you want but that is the truth. And this is proof that it's a choice.

So you as a straight man speak for all gay men on this issue?  :-\

How many "gay"men have "come out" after marrying and fathering families?  So the point he is making is that the supposed lack of attraction to/desire for women doesn't stop them from getting the job done in the bedroom.  All gays? Probably not. But when the  opportunity to bed a woman occurs many don't seem to have any trouble choosing to do the deed.

 

[Least of These]

No worries. You can't be offended if you are confident in the way you believe.

Actually, I find a lot of stuff said in this thread highly offensive but that has no bearing on how confident I am in my beliefs.  It also doesn't justify me being snarky or disrespectful, hence, my earlier apology. 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Not trying to be vulgar at all.

If you put a gay man in bed with a beautiful woman and that woman is willing to have with that gay man that was "born" gay that gay man will have sex with that beautiful woman.

Say what you want but that is the truth. And this is proof that it's a choice.

So you as a straight man speak for all gay men on this issue?  :-\

How many "gay"men have "come out" after marrying and fathering families?  So the point he is making is that the supposed lack of attraction to/desire for women doesn't stop them from getting the job done in the bedroom.  All gays? Probably not. But when the  opportunity to bed a woman occurs many don't seem to have any trouble choosing to do the deed.

And how many married the women because of pressure and perhaps trying to "ungay" themselves?

Here is testimony from the former Focus on the Family staff member who tried to go straight but couldn't:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/life-as-ex-ex-gay-paulk-108090.html#.VZMe_BtVhHw

 

[Bruh]

Desires for things God has forbidden are a reflection of how sin has distorted me, not how God has made me.

Outstanding! May I borrow this?

Sure, it didn't orginate with me.

 

[Bruh]

No worries. You can't be offended if you are confident in the way you believe.

Actually, I find a lot of stuff said in this thread highly offensive but that has no bearing on how confident I am in my beliefs.  It also doesn't justify me being snarky or disrespectful, hence, my earlier apology. 

I apologize as well if I have offended you.

 

[Bruh]

Not trying to be vulgar at all.

If you put a gay man in bed with a beautiful woman and that woman is willing to have with that gay man that was "born" gay that gay man will have sex with that beautiful woman.

Say what you want but that is the truth. And this is proof that it's a choice.

So you as a straight man speak for all gay men on this issue?  :-\

How many "gay"men have "come out" after marrying and fathering families?  So the point he is making is that the supposed lack of attraction to/desire for women doesn't stop them from getting the job done in the bedroom.  All gays? Probably not. But when the  opportunity to bed a woman occurs many don't seem to have any trouble choosing to do the deed.

And how many married the women because of pressure and perhaps trying to "ungay" themselves?

Here is testimony from the former Focus on the Family staff member who tried to go straight but couldn't:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/life-as-ex-ex-gay-paulk-108090.html#.VZMe_BtVhHw

Trying to ungay, really?

Like he said it didn't stop them from doing the deed.

If born that way it would REPULSE them to be with a woman. But for some reason the deed got done.

It's common since to me.

 

[Walt]

What are your feelings and thoughts?

Nothing the US government does, whether executive, legislative, or judicial affects God's law.  Homosexual acts continue to be an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, as He has stated.

It seems to me that our society continues to slide further away from godly positions.  This decision is but another step in that direction.

Disappointed? Yes  Surprised?  Not terribly

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Not trying to be vulgar at all.

If you put a gay man in bed with a beautiful woman and that woman is willing to have with that gay man that was "born" gay that gay man will have sex with that beautiful woman.

Say what you want but that is the truth. And this is proof that it's a choice.

So you as a straight man speak for all gay men on this issue?  :-\

How many "gay"men have "come out" after marrying and fathering families?  So the point he is making is that the supposed lack of attraction to/desire for women doesn't stop them from getting the job done in the bedroom.  All gays? Probably not. But when the  opportunity to bed a woman occurs many don't seem to have any trouble choosing to do the deed.

And how many married the women because of pressure and perhaps trying to "ungay" themselves?

Here is testimony from the former Focus on the Family staff member who tried to go straight but couldn't:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/life-as-ex-ex-gay-paulk-108090.html#.VZMe_BtVhHw

Trying to ungay, really?

Like he said it didn't stop them from doing the deed.

If born that way it would REPULSE them to be with a woman. But for some reason the deed got done.

It's common since to me.

It really amazes me how you as a straight male can deeply understand the psyche of every gay individual.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

What are your feelings and thoughts?

Nothing the US government does, whether executive, legislative, or judicial affects God's law.  Homosexual acts continue to be an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, as He has stated.

It seems to me that our society continues to slide further away from godly positions.  This decision is but another step in that direction.

Disappointed? Yes  Surprised?  Not terribly

This decision is actually the result of "liberty...for all". The Constitution was not created to create law based on religious tenets but rather to give freedom to those to live their lives as they choose with limited infringing on the freedoms of others. In essence, based on Constitutional principle, SCOTUS made the right decision.

 

[Least of These]

I enjoy the debating with and postings of most everyone on the FFF.  We have different views on standards.  We have different views on convictions and preferences.  I accept that.  I have to admit that I find it very hard to stomach that there is not a 100% consensus on a Christian Forum that homosexuality is not Biblically wrong.  It's not even a gray area.

Raider, what is it about this one particular issue that you feel puts it above question & disagreement?  It's not mentioned in the Bible nearly as much as other doctrines & beliefs that Christians disagree on.  What is it about homosexuality that makes it "not even a gray area" - especially if you're willing to acknowledge that other matters ARE gray?  Do you agree that there are many things the Bible addresses more often and more clearly, yet Christians still understand them differently?

 

[subllibrm]

And how many married the women because of pressure and perhaps trying to "ungay" themselves?

So there is even more pressure to "perform" than I realized! Wow! Pretty impressive when you think about it. I mean to step up and do the deed with someone you don't even find attractive! Does he put the bag over his head or hers?

 

[subllibrm]

What are your feelings and thoughts?

Nothing the US government does, whether executive, legislative, or judicial affects God's law.  Homosexual acts continue to be an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, as He has stated.

It seems to me that our society continues to slide further away from godly positions.  This decision is but another step in that direction.

Disappointed? Yes  Surprised?  Not terribly

This decision is actually the result of "liberty...for all". The Constitution was not created to create law based on religious tenets but rather to give freedom to those to live their lives as they choose with limited infringing on the freedoms of others. In essence, based on Constitutional principle, SCOTUS made the right decision.

I get the liberty part. We all have the liberty to sin. That doesn't mean that it is wrong to be disappointed that our society has fallen so far as to what is considered "acceptable".

Not one thing in this decision surprised me. The hand writing has been on the wall for several years. That doesn't mean I have to like it. Or is that liberty not available to me?

 

[subllibrm]

I enjoy the debating with and postings of most everyone on the FFF.  We have different views on standards.  We have different views on convictions and preferences.  I accept that.  I have to admit that I find it very hard to stomach that there is not a 100% consensus on a Christian Forum that homosexuality is not Biblically wrong.  It's not even a gray area.

Raider, what is it about this one particular issue that you feel puts it above question & disagreement?  It's not mentioned in the Bible nearly as much as other doctrines & beliefs that Christians disagree on.  What is it about homosexuality that makes it "not even a gray area" - especially if you're willing to acknowledge that other matters ARE gray?  Do you agree that there are many things the Bible addresses more often and more clearly, yet Christians still understand them differently?

Well I'm not Raider but your question is pretty interesting.

Why is it not even gray?

Every place it is mentioned in scripture the context is negative.

Also it is mentioned in both the old and new testaments.

And marriage was clearly defined by Jesus himself to be a man and a woman.

Now I ask you to provide any scripture that supports the act.

 

[Least of These]

Every place it is mentioned in scripture the context is negative.
Also it is mentioned in both the old and new testaments.

Can't that be said for other things as well (drinking & divorce come to mind) that Christians are willing to "agree to disagree" over?  What other beliefs do you personally hold that you believe no Christian can ever interpret differently?  Christians don't even all agree on salvation, do they?  Yet homosexuality is a 100% issue. 

Now I ask you to provide any scripture that supports the act.

Don't know any & don't claim there are any - but I'm not the one expecting 100% conformity with my beliefs.   

 

[rsc2a]

Divorce is a grey area because there seem to be differing circumstances where it is allowed. Alcohol is only a grey area if you are crazy.

Now I ask you to provide any scripture that supports the act.

Don't know any & don't claim there are any - but I'm not the one expecting 100% conformity with my beliefs. 

Dozens of passages condemn the practice. None support it. It's not a grey issue, and I have never seen one reasonably argue they arrived at a pro-homosexual position from a study of scripture.

 

[Least of These]

Divorce is a grey area

Exactly.

Alcohol is only a grey area if you are crazy.

So another 100% issue, just like homosexuality?  Got it. 

 

[rsc2a]

Divorce is a grey area

Exactly.

Alcohol is only a grey area if you are crazy.

So another 100% issue, just like homosexuality?  Got it.

Yes, another 100% issue. There is nothing in scripture that offers a wholesale condemnation of alcohol. In fact, it is quite often celebrated. There are also warnings about its abuse which means some should likely refrain. Anyone who forces a blanket prohibition has a reading comprehension problem (or, more likely, their own agenda they are pushing).

And there are still no verses celebrating homosexual activity whereas an entire book celebrates sex within a marriage between a man and woman. Conversely, there are dozens of passages that openly condemn homosexual activity. Not a grey issue.

 

[RAIDER]

This decision is actually the result of "liberty...for all". The Constitution was not created to create law based on religious tenets but rather to give freedom to those to live their lives as they choose with limited infringing on the freedoms of others. In essence, based on Constitutional principle, SCOTUS made the right decision.

SCOTUS made an ungodly decision for which they will answer to God.  It is never right for any government to make a law that violates God's law.  Yes, it is done every day, but that does not make it right. 

Are you ok with a man marrying his horse or dog?

 

[RAIDER]

I enjoy the debating with and postings of most everyone on the FFF.  We have different views on standards.  We have different views on convictions and preferences.  I accept that.  I have to admit that I find it very hard to stomach that there is not a 100% consensus on a Christian Forum that homosexuality is not Biblically wrong.  It's not even a gray area.

Raider, what is it about this one particular issue that you feel puts it above question & disagreement?  It's not mentioned in the Bible nearly as much as other doctrines & beliefs that Christians disagree on.  What is it about homosexuality that makes it "not even a gray area" - especially if you're willing to acknowledge that other matters ARE gray?  Do you agree that there are many things the Bible addresses more often and more clearly, yet Christians still understand them differently?

It is above question and disagreement because of its clear condemnation in Scripture.  Does it matter if the Bible clearly condemns it in only one verse or in twenty verses?  You cannot compare homosexuality to other issues are not as clearly condemned in Scripture.  There is no way to justify homosexuality without twisting and explaining away clear portions of Scripture.