Refuting Calvinism

[Bruh]

get an IQ.

This is just wicked.

 

[Biblebeliever]

And once the Father begins to draw that person;  that person has to make the CHOICE to believe the Gospel.

A person still can choose to believe the Gospel or he can choose to reject the Gospel.

can you provide your Scriptural evidence for this position?

Let me refute the heresy of Calvinism even further with some more Scriptures:


Deuteronomy 30:19-20 KJV

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.



Joshua 24:15 KJV

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord , choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.



Isaiah 1:18 KJV

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.


The very fact that God has given man the freedom and ability to choose, reason, and to receive the truth is only further proof that Calvinism is wrong. The heresy of Calvinism is a man made philosophy.  And those who hold onto the heresy of Calvinism must do it by overlooking and even ignoring many clear Scriptures.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

And once the Father begins to draw that person;  that person has to make the CHOICE to believe the Gospel.

A person still can choose to believe the Gospel or he can choose to reject the Gospel.

can you provide your Scriptural evidence for this position?

Let me refute the heresy of Calvinism even further with some more Scriptures:


Deuteronomy 30:19-20 KJV

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.



Joshua 24:15 KJV

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord , choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.



Isaiah 1:18 KJV

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.


The very fact that God has given man the freedom and ability to choose, reason, and to receive the truth is only further proof that Calvinism is wrong. The heresy of Calvinism is a man made philosophy.  And those who hold onto the heresy of Calvinism must do it by overlooking and even ignoring many clear Scriptures.

You're right.  Calvinists don't believe in repentance, choice, or reason. 

Ren's insane laugh

 

[Bruh]

And once the Father begins to draw that person;  that person has to make the CHOICE to believe the Gospel.

A person still can choose to believe the Gospel or he can choose to reject the Gospel.

can you provide your Scriptural evidence for this position?

Let me refute the heresy of Calvinism even further with some more Scriptures:


Deuteronomy 30:19-20 KJV

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.



Joshua 24:15 KJV

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord , choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.



Isaiah 1:18 KJV

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.


The very fact that God has given man the freedom and ability to choose, reason, and to receive the truth is only further proof that Calvinism is wrong. The heresy of Calvinism is a man made philosophy.  And those who hold onto the heresy of Calvinism must do it by overlooking and even ignoring many clear Scriptures.

You're right.  Calvinists don't believe in repentance, choice, or reason. 

Ren's insane laugh

Bb, you may already know this, but in order for a Calvinist to explain the verses you have shown they would have to completely brake away from Scripture, tell some sort of explanation/story and then return back to Scripture and say, see that is what John Calvin meant in his writings.   

 

[Biblebeliever]

If repentance is not necessarily a matter of free will, then what was your point in quoting that scripture? 

Wait - I know - you have no point.  Except that you can copy and paste stuff.

Repentance is a matter of freewill.  Don't you understand that?

For one to repent, he must CHOOSE to do so.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Bb, you may already know this, but in order for a Calvinist to explain the verses you have shown they would have to completely brake away from Scripture, tell some sort of explanation/story and then return back to Scripture and say, see that is what John Calvin meant in his writings. 

Speaking of which, I think my car needs new brakes. 

 

[Bruh]

Bb, you may already know this, but in order for a Calvinist to explain the verses you have shown they would have to completely brake away from Scripture, tell some sort of explanation/story and then return back to Scripture and say, see that is what John Calvin meant in his writings. 

Speaking of which, I think my car needs new brakes.

That was funny.  Well, you do have a sense of humor.  I am very thankful for my proof reader at work.  She tells me all the time, how did you ever get where you are? I always tell her, God has been good to me.   

 

[Biblebeliever]

Bb, you may already know this, but in order for a Calvinist to explain the verses you have shown they would have to completely brake away from Scripture, tell some sort of explanation/story and then return back to Scripture and say, see that is what John Calvin meant in his writings. 

Exactly!

And if they are not ignoring or overlooking a passage in the Bible, then they have to explain away clear Scriptures to try to make them say amd mean something else than what they actually say.

And of course,  they have to also explain away what John Calvin really believed and taught.  So your statement is definitely spot on.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

If repentance is not necessarily a matter of free will, then what was your point in quoting that scripture? 

Wait - I know - you have no point.  Except that you can copy and paste stuff.

Repentance is a matter of freewill.  Don't you understand that?

For one to repent, he must CHOOSE to do so.

Repentance is a matter of the heart.  Don't you understand that?

For one to repent, God must first change one's heart. 

Okay, now we've both stated our case.  The only difference is that I can back up mine with scripture. 

 

[Ransom]

You dumb, proud, hard shelled calvinists were refuted already in the O.P.

Sorry, I wasn't aware of that. Perhaps the OP was stupid.

 

[bgwilkinson]

You dumb, proud, hard shelled calvinists were refuted already in the O.P.

Sorry, I wasn't aware of that. Perhaps the OP was stupid.

BB hasn't a clue about Calvinism.

 

[Ransom]

Bb, you may already know this, but in order for a Calvinist to explain the verses you have shown they would have to completely brake away from Scripture, tell some sort of explanation/story and then return back to Scripture and say, see that is what John Calvin meant in his writings.

Bibleburner's the only one who's been quoting Calvin in this thread.

 

[Ransom]

BB hasn't a clue about Calvinism.

Exactly. I have no clue who he thinks he "refuted" with that ridiculous OP.

 

[Dunkard]

John 3:15-16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Acts 10:36-45

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36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all 37 that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Romans 9:33

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33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10:8-11

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8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 Timothy 2:1-8

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2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



1 John 5:1

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5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.




2 Peter 3:9

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9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.





Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, while only electing and ordaning some to eternal life.

Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect.

God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God chooses to elect those who are in Christ.

No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved???

So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Alright, I'm already done reading this. Maybe the funny pages will be more intelligent.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Luke 13:2-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilæans were sinners above all the Galilæans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.

This doesn't prove that people choose salvation. this is talking about repentance which has nothing to do with choosing God

 

[Recovering IFB]

John 1:9-14 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You see what I highlighted? this kills your argument, It is the work of God that brings people to salvation, not of our own works
you get it? i repeat," nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

 

[Ransom]

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Isn't it precious the way he keeps spelling this out, as if we need a reminder every five seconds what Bible Bibleburner, false prophet of the Antichrist Peter Ruckman, likes?

to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Talk about shooting your own argument in the foot!

Those who become the "sons of God" don't do so under their own power: that power has to be given to them.
The believing ones aren't born "of blood"; you don't inherit your faith from your parents.
They're not born "of the will of the flesh"; it's not by our will. Nor is it "of the will of man"; it's not in the power of any other human being to bring us to faith, either. It is solely "of God."

 

[Recovering IFB]

BBYou are the one not answering the verses that we have presented. How do you account for
Romans  9:14 What should we say then? Is there injustice with God? Absolutely not! 15 For He tells Moses:

I will show mercy
to whom I will show mercy,
and I will have compassion
on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture tells Pharaoh:

I raised you up for this reason
so that I may display My power in you
and that My name may be proclaimed in all the earth.
18 So then, He shows mercy to those He wants to, and He hardens those He wants to harden.

19 You will say to me, therefore, “Why then does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?” 20 But who are you, a mere man, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to the one who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?” 21 Or has the potter no right over the clay, to make from the same lump one piece of pottery for honor and another for dishonor? 22 And what if God, desiring to display His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath ready for destruction? 23 And what if He did this to make known the riches of His glory on objects of mercy that He prepared beforehand for glory— 24 on us, the ones He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As He also says in Hosea:

I will call Not My People, My People,
and she who is Unloved, Beloved.
26 And it will be in the place where they were told,
you are not My people,
there they will be called sons of the living God.


I am starting to think that you do not believe in God's sovereignty.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Isn't it precious the way he keeps spelling this out, as if we need a reminder every five seconds what Bible Bibleburner, false prophet of the Antichrist Peter Ruckman, likes?

This is the real crazy thing about the KJVO/Ruckmanite movement. Instead of saying "Paul wrote this in Ephesians..." or "Jesus said this in John...." the say "the King James Bible says,...." it like they have more honor for the translation rather to what it is actually saying...

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

But not all men will be saved.  So, what you're saying is that God is too weak to make sure his will is done?  That man's free will is more powerful than God's will?  That the Devil has the power to thwart God's will by drawing more men to himself in spite of God's will for all to be saved?  Yeah, that's what you're saying. 

Who is regulating affairs on this earth today-God, or the Devil? What impression is made upon the minds of those men of the world who, occasionally, attend a Gospel service? What are the conceptions formed by those who hear even those preachers who are counted as "orthodox?" Is it not that a disappointed God is the One whom Christians believe in? From what is heard from the average evangelist today, is not any serious hearer obliged to conclude that he professes to represent a God who is filled with benevolent intentions, yet unable to carry them out; that He is earnestly desirous of blessing men, but that they will not let Him? Then, must not the average hearer draw the inference that the Devil has gained the upper hand, and that God is to be pitied rather than blamed?

-A. W. Pink, The Sovereignty of God