Southern Baptist Are Becoming IFB

[praise_yeshua]

The OP pointed out the fact that large portions of the SBC are moving back to fundamental roots. 

The OP doesn't say this.  One conference does not "large portions" make!  (A worthless comment but I must post everyday or RAIDER will get me )

Seriously?  Read it again.  The Missouri Baptist Convention put out an app that goes through the Romans Road.  The app offers devotional testimonies from Hyles, Rice and Hutson. 

If each state has a convention - we would call it 1/50th.  However, we do know that some states have a much larger number than others.  FWIW, Missouri is hosting the SBC in 2016, so, it is an influential convention.

I agree that most SBC churches are very liberal.  I have heard of the "Fundamental Resurgence" in the SBC taking place over the past decade.  Here, in this app, is the living proof that the group is returning to its fundamental heritage.

Most SBC churches are conservative. Some are very liberal. SBC has become a little more tolerant of certain things over the years but overall is very conservative. The SBC doesn't really control much of anything. Each church acts independently and only generally cooperate when it comes to missionary work.

Know you subject!!!

 

[T-Bone]

The OP pointed out the fact that large portions of the SBC are moving back to fundamental roots. 

The OP doesn't say this.  One conference does not "large portions" make!  (A worthless comment but I must post everyday or RAIDER will get me )

Seriously?  Read it again.  The Missouri Baptist Convention put out an app that goes through the Romans Road.  The app offers devotional testimonies from Hyles, Rice and Hutson. 

If each state has a convention - we would call it 1/50th.  However, we do know that some states have a much larger number than others.  FWIW, Missouri is hosting the SBC in 2016, so, it is an influential convention.

I agree that most SBC churches are very liberal.  I have heard of the "Fundamental Resurgence" in the SBC taking place over the past decade.  Here, in this app, is the living proof that the group is returning to its fundamental heritage.

Most SBC churches are conservative. Some are very liberal. SBC has become a little more tolerant of certain things over the years but overall is very conservative. The SBC doesn't really control much of anything. Each church acts independently and only generally cooperate when it comes to missionary work.

Know you subject!!!

Exactly...and I am sure you all don't want us to judge all IFB's by Schaap, Ruckman, & Phelps!  It is the nature of Baptists to be independent and cooperate with others to whatever extent they feel led.  Hardly a liberal approach....and I will say again, I know of no SBC Pastor who is liberal, I know there are some, but I have not met them and I have served on leadership boards in our state for many years.  Every group has their nuts...but the SBC is hardly liberal, unless of course you judge "liberal" by KJVO & women wearing slacks...not to mention matching socks!

 

[Binaca Chugger]

The OP pointed out the fact that large portions of the SBC are moving back to fundamental roots. 

The OP doesn't say this.  One conference does not "large portions" make!  (A worthless comment but I must post everyday or RAIDER will get me )

Seriously?  Read it again.  The Missouri Baptist Convention put out an app that goes through the Romans Road.  The app offers devotional testimonies from Hyles, Rice and Hutson. 

If each state has a convention - we would call it 1/50th.  However, we do know that some states have a much larger number than others.  FWIW, Missouri is hosting the SBC in 2016, so, it is an influential convention.

I agree that most SBC churches are very liberal.  I have heard of the "Fundamental Resurgence" in the SBC taking place over the past decade.  Here, in this app, is the living proof that the group is returning to its fundamental heritage.

Most SBC churches are conservative. Some are very liberal. SBC has become a little more tolerant of certain things over the years but overall is very conservative. The SBC doesn't really control much of anything. Each church acts independently and only generally cooperate when it comes to missionary work.

Know you subject!!!

Exactly...and I am sure you all don't want us to judge all IFB's by Schaap, Ruckman, & Phelps!  It is the nature of Baptists to be independent and cooperate with others to whatever extent they feel led.  Hardly a liberal approach....and I will say again, I know of no SBC Pastor who is liberal, I know there are some, but I have not met them and I have served on leadership boards in our state for many years.  Every group has their nuts...but the SBC is hardly liberal, unless of course you judge "liberal" by KJVO & women wearing slacks...not to mention matching socks!

Compared to IFB, the majority of SBC churches would be considered more liberal (open-minded, loose interpretation).  Multiple translations, open-minded dress standards, modern music, lifestyle evangelism only, et. al.  Take a gander at the NAMB site to see the worship style of the new church plants.  Most of them don't even state Baptist!

 

[rsc2a]

Multiple translations. Open dress standards. Modern music. Relatable worship.

What was the P in Baptist again?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

The OP pointed out the fact that large portions of the SBC are moving back to fundamental roots. 

The OP doesn't say this.  One conference does not "large portions" make!  (A worthless comment but I must post everyday or RAIDER will get me )

Seriously?  Read it again.  The Missouri Baptist Convention put out an app that goes through the Romans Road.  The app offers devotional testimonies from Hyles, Rice and Hutson. 

If each state has a convention - we would call it 1/50th.  However, we do know that some states have a much larger number than others.  FWIW, Missouri is hosting the SBC in 2016, so, it is an influential convention.

I agree that most SBC churches are very liberal.  I have heard of the "Fundamental Resurgence" in the SBC taking place over the past decade.  Here, in this app, is the living proof that the group is returning to its fundamental heritage.

Most SBC churches are conservative. Some are very liberal. SBC has become a little more tolerant of certain things over the years but overall is very conservative. The SBC doesn't really control much of anything. Each church acts independently and only generally cooperate when it comes to missionary work.

Know you subject!!!

Exactly...and I am sure you all don't want us to judge all IFB's by Schaap, Ruckman, & Phelps!  It is the nature of Baptists to be independent and cooperate with others to whatever extent they feel led.  Hardly a liberal approach....and I will say again, I know of no SBC Pastor who is liberal, I know there are some, but I have not met them and I have served on leadership boards in our state for many years.  Every group has their nuts...but the SBC is hardly liberal, unless of course you judge "liberal" by KJVO & women wearing slacks...not to mention matching socks!

Compared to IFB, the majority of SBC churches would be considered more liberal (open-minded, loose interpretation).  Multiple translations, open-minded dress standards, modern music, lifestyle evangelism only, et. al.  Take a gander at the NAMB site to see the worship style of the new church plants.  Most of them don't even state Baptist!

You use a very broad brush in your assessment of SBC churches.
And speak in vague generalities.
I have yet to see an SBC church that practices lifestyle evangelism only!
I was an IFB for over 40 years and have Ben SBC officially for less than 5.
With all due deference, you really don't speak with authority on this subject!

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Compared to IFB, the majority of SBC churches would be considered more liberal (open-minded, loose interpretation).  Multiple translations, open-minded dress standards, modern music, lifestyle evangelism only, et. al.  Take a gander at the NAMB site to see the worship style of the new church plants.  Most of them don't even state Baptist!

You use a very broad brush in your assessment of SBC churches.
And speak in vague generalities.
I have yet to see an SBC church that practices lifestyle evangelism only!
I was an IFB for over 40 years and have Ben SBC officially for less than 5.
With all due deference, you really don't speak with authority on this subject!

Last Saturday I went door knocking with a fellow who has been an ordained deacon in various SBC churches for 30 years.  He had never heard anyone share the Gospel with a stranger.  I have talked with numerous SBC pastors.  They don't believe that seeking to share our faith with people is productive, unless they come to the church and ask for counsel.  I have been on campus at Southern Seminary hundreds of times and spoken with the professors.  These are good men who have done much study in areas where the IFB is lacking and needs help.  The majority of them are Calvinistic and while some do evangelism, most of them prefer to wait until they are approached before speaking of faith for salvation.

I believe there are SBC churches that are evangelistic, but I haven't been to one yet.  On the flip side....David Platt is helping the SBC recognize their sin of not being evangelistic.

 

[prophet]

Compared to IFB, the majority of SBC churches would be considered more liberal (open-minded, loose interpretation).  Multiple translations, open-minded dress standards, modern music, lifestyle evangelism only, et. al.  Take a gander at the NAMB site to see the worship style of the new church plants.  Most of them don't even state Baptist!

You use a very broad brush in your assessment of SBC churches.
And speak in vague generalities.
I have yet to see an SBC church that practices lifestyle evangelism only!
I was an IFB for over 40 years and have Ben SBC officially for less than 5.
With all due deference, you really don't speak with authority on this subject!

Last Saturday I went door knocking with a fellow who has been an ordained deacon in various SBC churches for 30 years.  He had never heard anyone share the Gospel with a stranger.  I have talked with numerous SBC pastors.  They don't believe that seeking to share our faith with people is productive, unless they come to the church and ask for counsel.  I have been on campus at Southern Seminary hundreds of times and spoken with the professors.  These are good men who have done much study in areas where the IFB is lacking and needs help.  The majority of them are Calvinistic and while some do evangelism, most of them prefer to wait until they are approached before speaking of faith for salvation.

I believe there are SBC churches that are evangelistic, but I haven't been to one yet.  On the flip side....David Platt is helping the SBC recognize their sin of not being evangelistic.

In my experience, which is only anecdotal, I have seen pretty much the same thing.
Some SBC churches are the local political powerhouse, are led by wealthy Masons, and are not the least bit evangelical.
In the Birmingham , AL area, this seems to be the norm.

I grew up 3 blocks from an S.B.C. church, that never knocked on my door.
But, when I enquired about their VBS, they invited me.

All just my observations, I haven't had occasion to look into the SBC.



Haklo

 

[rsc2a]

There are many, many, many, many, many ways to be "evangelistic" other than knocking on doors.

 

[T-Bone]

The OP pointed out the fact that large portions of the SBC are moving back to fundamental roots. 

The OP doesn't say this.  One conference does not "large portions" make!  (A worthless comment but I must post everyday or RAIDER will get me )

Seriously?  Read it again.  The Missouri Baptist Convention put out an app that goes through the Romans Road.  The app offers devotional testimonies from Hyles, Rice and Hutson. 

If each state has a convention - we would call it 1/50th.  However, we do know that some states have a much larger number than others.  FWIW, Missouri is hosting the SBC in 2016, so, it is an influential convention.

I agree that most SBC churches are very liberal.  I have heard of the "Fundamental Resurgence" in the SBC taking place over the past decade.  Here, in this app, is the living proof that the group is returning to its fundamental heritage.

Most SBC churches are conservative. Some are very liberal. SBC has become a little more tolerant of certain things over the years but overall is very conservative. The SBC doesn't really control much of anything. Each church acts independently and only generally cooperate when it comes to missionary work.

Know you subject!!!

Exactly...and I am sure you all don't want us to judge all IFB's by Schaap, Ruckman, & Phelps!  It is the nature of Baptists to be independent and cooperate with others to whatever extent they feel led.  Hardly a liberal approach....and I will say again, I know of no SBC Pastor who is liberal, I know there are some, but I have not met them and I have served on leadership boards in our state for many years.  Every group has their nuts...but the SBC is hardly liberal, unless of course you judge "liberal" by KJVO & women wearing slacks...not to mention matching socks!

Compared to IFB, the majority of SBC churches would be considered more liberal (open-minded, loose interpretation).  Multiple translations, open-minded dress standards, modern music, lifestyle evangelism only, et. al.  Take a gander at the NAMB site to see the worship style of the new church plants.  Most of them don't even state Baptist!

I don't disagree with your statement here...but you know your explanation is a far cry from calling a group "liberal".  A theological liberal takes away from the Scripture...that is not the SBC today.  Only a KJVO would consider using multiple translations liberal...dress style if you mean dresses only...and worship style, there are many approaches to worship styles in the SBC...once again does not make them "liberal".  That word has meaning and it does not fit here.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Compared to IFB, the majority of SBC churches would be considered more liberal (open-minded, loose interpretation).  Multiple translations, open-minded dress standards, modern music, lifestyle evangelism only, et. al.  Take a gander at the NAMB site to see the worship style of the new church plants.  Most of them don't even state Baptist!

I don't disagree with your statement here...but you know your explanation is a far cry from calling a group "liberal".  A theological liberal takes away from the Scripture...that is not the SBC today.  Only a KJVO would consider using multiple translations liberal...dress style if you mean dresses only...and worship style, there are many approaches to worship styles in the SBC...once again does not make them "liberal".  That word has meaning and it does not fit here.

Liberal and Conservative are both fairly relative terms.  To fundies and even ex-fundies, my explanation above would be termed liberal by the definition of the word, because the definition is inherently relative.  The SBC church I am currently attending is more conservative in music and worship and doctrine than the IFB, yet more liberal in dress and translations.  They like to speak of evangelism, but don't do it.  Their missions work ends at humanitarian needs, which, in my opinion, is lacking.

 

[Fresh Air]

Multiple translations. Open dress standards. Modern music. Relatable worship.

What was the P in Baptist again?

A. You mean the I
B. Holding individual soul liberty does not mean that we think everyone's choice (which they are free to make) is a good choice. Holding individual soul liberty means we will not impose our choice on them.

 

[subllibrm]

There are many, many, many, many, many ways to be "evangelistic" other than knocking on doors.

Nuh uh

 

[rsc2a]

Multiple translations. Open dress standards. Modern music. Relatable worship.

What was the P in Baptist again?

A. You mean the I
B. Holding individual soul liberty does not mean that we think everyone's choice (which they are free to make) is a good choice. Holding individual soul liberty means we will not impose our choice on them.

No. I meant the P. Unless there is some council who is supposed to tell you guys what canon law is regarding dress or music.

But the I will work also

 

[subllibrm]

Multiple translations. Open dress standards. Modern music. Relatable worship.

What was the P in Baptist again?

A. You mean the I
B. Holding individual soul liberty does not mean that we think everyone's choice (which they are free to make) is a good choice. Holding individual soul liberty means we will not impose our choice on them.

No. I meant the P. Unless there is some council who is supposed to tell you guys what canon law is regarding dress or music.

But the I will work also

Pastors like the P the least of the distinctives. Or at least the "anointed" ones don't like it.

FWIW I would not put Tom in that category.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

You use a very broad brush in your assessment of SBC churches.

You NEVER broad brush, I'm sure.  :

 

[T-Bone]

Last Saturday I went door knocking with a fellow who has been an ordained deacon in various SBC churches for 30 years.  He had never heard anyone share the Gospel with a stranger.  I have talked with numerous SBC pastors.  They don't believe that seeking to share our faith with people is productive, unless they come to the church and ask for counsel.  I have been on campus at Southern Seminary hundreds of times and spoken with the professors.  These are good men who have done much study in areas where the IFB is lacking and needs help.  The majority of them are Calvinistic and while some do evangelism, most of them prefer to wait until they are approached before speaking of faith for salvation.

I believe there are SBC churches that are evangelistic, but I haven't been to one yet.  On the flip side....David Platt is helping the SBC recognize their sin of not being evangelistic.

Great post but missing the point.  It has never been about individual SBC churches that cause the issues with the SBC  (although Rick Warren is an exception).  It has always been SBC leadership and modernistic/liberal seminaries/colleges.  I know good men who pastor SBC churches.  I also know good men (very few) that pastor Methodist churches.  There are good Methodist churches.  I was saved in one.  Does that mean I stop exposing the liberal leadership and policies of the Methodist denomination?  No, and neither will I stop exposing the liberal (or modernistic or new-evangelical - take your pick) leadership of the SBC.  T-Bone might have a great SBC church.  When he invites me to come preach for him I'll find out. (Just drove by Fountain Hills BTW).

Sometime...stop in and say hello.  I always welcome people to listen to any sermons or teachings we have online...doubt you will find anything "liberal" there.  I know brother you are not referring to a particular SBC church.  But many of the generalizations need to be correctly stated so people don't discount the whole of what you are saying.  Blessings to all who preach & teach...live & share the wonderful Gospel of Christ!

 

[bgwilkinson]

Multiple translations. Open dress standards. Modern music. Relatable worship.

What was the P in Baptist again?

A. You mean the I
B. Holding individual soul liberty does not mean that we think everyone's choice (which they are free to make) is a good choice. Holding individual soul liberty means we will not impose our choice on them.

No. I meant the P. Unless there is some council who is supposed to tell you guys what canon law is regarding dress or music.

But the I will work also

Pastors like the P the least of the distinctives. Or at least the "anointed" ones don't like it.

FWIW I would not put Tom in that category.

Some religious professionals, especially the man of God, modern day Moses ones, become agitated when one points out that all believers, men and women alike, are priests of God every bit as much as they are. All are equal before God.

 

[Bob H]

There are many, many, many, many, many ways to be "evangelistic" other than knocking on doors.

I'm no Baptist so I tend to stay out of these threads but I'll have to agree. Knocking on doors is overrated.

 

[Citadel of Truth]

I'm no Baptist so I tend to stay out of these threads but I'll have to agree. Knocking on doors is overrated.

Well, then, let's just take Revelation 3:20 out of the Bible!
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."

 

[Bob H]

I'm no Baptist so I tend to stay out of these threads but I'll have to agree. Knocking on doors is overrated.

Well, then, let's just take Revelation 3:20 out of the Bible!
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."

My bad. I always thought the Lord was talking to the church of Laodicea about their lukewarmness and not about door to door house visitation.