Standards of dress

[RAIDER]

We are almost at 5,000 views.

And this is what it's all about!!

 

[Citadel of Truth]

This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

Ma'am, I think I speak for most of the men here; we hate that carnal nature in us as much or more than you ladies do. I can certainly relate to Paul when he said, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Romans 7:24)

 

[RAIDER]

Any woman can tell you, there are men who seem to think that the eyes of we ladies are located a few inches below our necks...there was one revered deacon at FBC here who, whenever he spoke to me, had his eyes glued on "the girls" when I was, I assure you, 100% covered up.

The perverse person inside me wanted to confront his boorish lasciviousness by asking if he'd like a closer look.

But, instead, I smiled sweetly and pretended not to notice where his eyes are resting as he speaks with me.

So yes, there are piggish men who (try to or like to think that they) pass for saintly Christians. Whited sepulchers. This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

You are correct.  The blessing is that God is not displeased with your covering.  If you purposely give men part of "the girls" to view, you have no reason to wonder why he was looking.

 

[Mathew Ward]

The question of standards came up, I brought it up since they are a major factor in our IFB practice of separation. I told her I primarily wear my skirts -- knowing it makes me look unusual in my profession (I am nearly always the only woman in a skirt wherever I am professionally) because it is what my husband prefers but also because I see it as "identification with Christ", much like a wedding band broadcasts my bond with my husband. Were I to not wear a skirt, I would feel I did not LOOK like a Christian. That has been ingrained in me, whether it is Biblical or extra-Biblical, I am not certain.

Thanks for the post.

That which has been ingrained in us is the most difficult to overcome.

It makes us think we are being sinful or unfaithful when we don't dress in the acceptable manner. It makes us feel like we are in the wrong when we dress not to the standards.

Why? Because of the guilt that was laid upon us for not dressing in a certain manner. Because the fear that we would not be allowed to work our ministry. Because of the intimation that our leadership had over us, we wanted to be 100% loyal to the man of God.

We heard it so much that we just accepted it as Bible and thought we were dressing that way to please God.

We heard it so much we knew when we dressed that way it pleased the Man of God.

We allowed our sheepishness to be led without ever questioning or being allowed to question.

Not only on standards but on many other things also...

Just my .02 which probably is only worth a penny.

 

[Mathew Ward]

Two women who are twins walked by a group of unGodly men, equally and modestly dressed. One is a an attractive blonde, the other an attractive brunette. Which will stir temptation in these men?

Well those who prefer blondes will lust after the blonde. Same for the brunette. Those who prefer redheads will look the other way.

"...the eyes of man are never satisfied." (Pro. 27:20)

Men are men and could lust even after the most modest ladies. In fact, some are far more attracted to modest ladies than immodest. However, the fact that men have lustful hearts does in no way negate a woman's responsibility to dress modestly.

Yes they should dress appropriate for the occasion with works that match.

 

[Mathew Ward]

This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

Ma'am, I think I speak for most of the men here; we hate that carnal nature in us as much or more than you ladies do. I can certainly relate to Paul when he said, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Romans 7:24)

Thank God for Romans 8 and the Spirit of God!

 

[RAIDER]

Two women who are twins walked by a group of unGodly men, equally and modestly dressed. One is a an attractive blonde, the other an attractive brunette. Which will stir temptation in these men?

Well those who prefer blondes will lust after the blonde. Same for the brunette. Those who prefer redheads will look the other way.

"...the eyes of man are never satisfied." (Pro. 27:20)

Men are men and could lust even after the most modest ladies. In fact, some are far more attracted to modest ladies than immodest. However, the fact that men have lustful hearts does in no way negate a woman's responsibility to dress modestly.

Yes they should dress appropriate for the occasion with works that match.

.....said the Victoria's Secret model who helped at the soup kitchen on Saturday.

 

[RAIDER]

This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

Ma'am, I think I speak for most of the men here; we hate that carnal nature in us as much or more than you ladies do. I can certainly relate to Paul when he said, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Romans 7:24)

Thank God for Romans 8 and the Spirit of God!

Looks like Paul had some of the same problems that we do.

Romans 7

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Mathew Ward]

Two women who are twins walked by a group of unGodly men, equally and modestly dressed. One is a an attractive blonde, the other an attractive brunette. Which will stir temptation in these men?

Well those who prefer blondes will lust after the blonde. Same for the brunette. Those who prefer redheads will look the other way.

"...the eyes of man are never satisfied." (Pro. 27:20)

Men are men and could lust even after the most modest ladies. In fact, some are far more attracted to modest ladies than immodest. However, the fact that men have lustful hearts does in no way negate a woman's responsibility to dress modestly.

Yes they should dress appropriate for the occasion with works that match.

.....said the Victoria's Secret model who helped at the soup kitchen on Saturday.

1 Timothy 2:9-10  In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Timothy 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

FYI..the bold is the same Greek word.

From Strong's κοσμιος kosmios kos'-mee-os
from 2889 (in its primary sense); orderly, i.e. decorous:--of good behaviour, modest.

Those are the only 2 instances of it being used in the Bible.

 

[subllibrm]

If anyone on here believes that if ANY man that had a woman sitting in front of them with their boobs hanging out and that man would have to on PURPOSE fight not to LOOK. your wrong. And lying. Or is not a man therefore wouldn't understand.

Cultural issue. In the jungle the men don't sit around ogling the constantly exposed breasts. So your ANY man test fails.

 

[subllibrm]

FTR, If a woman stood in front of me in a string bikini at the beach I would have no problem keeping my mind on Christ for I am to look at her as a sister in Christ.

1. I couldn't. I'll be man enough to admit it.  8)

2. I don't believe you could either. 

Yes, men are pigs and you speak the truth!

Trained by their culture to see a food delivery system as only an object of sexual curiosity and arousal.

 

[RAIDER]

If anyone on here believes that if ANY man that had a woman sitting in front of them with their boobs hanging out and that man would have to on PURPOSE fight not to LOOK. your wrong. And lying. Or is not a man therefore wouldn't understand.

Cultural issue. In the jungle the men don't sit around ogling the constantly exposed breasts. So your ANY man test fails.

Yes, but in the jungle the lion sleeps tonight.

 

[Mathew Ward]

This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

Ma'am, I think I speak for most of the men here; we hate that carnal nature in us as much or more than you ladies do. I can certainly relate to Paul when he said, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Romans 7:24)

Thank God for Romans 8 and the Spirit of God!

Looks like Paul had some of the same problems that we do.

Romans 7

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I think he graduated to Romans 8

Romans 8:1-9  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul also explained earlier in Romans how to recon with the flesh.

Romans 6:11-14  Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[subllibrm]

Yes and I think we sisters can all agree that the men who walk around with their pants falling down and their 'vertical smile' visible are likewise tempting us pretty sorely as well.

It is SO hard to keep the mind out of the gutter with all of this eye candy on display.

Hot times with the plumber. The number one fantasy of ANY woman! 

 

[RAIDER]

FTR, If a woman stood in front of me in a string bikini at the beach I would have no problem keeping my mind on Christ for I am to look at her as a sister in Christ.

1. I couldn't. I'll be man enough to admit it.  8)

2. I don't believe you could either. 

Yes, men are pigs and you speak the truth!

Trained by their culture to see a food delivery system as only an object of sexual curiosity and arousal.

Yes, fueled by the constant dropping of dress standards on females.

 

[RAIDER]

This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

Ma'am, I think I speak for most of the men here; we hate that carnal nature in us as much or more than you ladies do. I can certainly relate to Paul when he said, "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Romans 7:24)

Thank God for Romans 8 and the Spirit of God!

Looks like Paul had some of the same problems that we do.

Romans 7

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I think he graduated to Romans 8

Romans 8:1-9  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Paul also explained earlier in Romans how to recon with the flesh.

Romans 6:11-14  Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Paul's words do not give us an occasion to sin.  Paul lived both chapters.  Flesh vs Spirit

 

[subllibrm]

Any woman can tell you, there are men who seem to think that the eyes of we ladies are located a few inches below our necks...there was one revered deacon at FBC here who, whenever he spoke to me, had his eyes glued on "the girls" when I was, I assure you, 100% covered up.

The perverse person inside me wanted to confront his boorish lasciviousness by asking if he'd like a closer look.

But, instead, I smiled sweetly and pretended not to notice where his eyes are resting as he speaks with me.

So yes, there are piggish men who (try to or like to think that they) pass for saintly Christians. Whited sepulchers. This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

Why did you let the pig do that repeatedly? Particularly when he was a leader in the church. There would be nothing perverse for you to call him out on it.

And you prove what has been said, the responsibility falls to the sinner to stop sinning, not to the object of their sin.

 

[subllibrm]

Any woman can tell you, there are men who seem to think that the eyes of we ladies are located a few inches below our necks...there was one revered deacon at FBC here who, whenever he spoke to me, had his eyes glued on "the girls" when I was, I assure you, 100% covered up.

The perverse person inside me wanted to confront his boorish lasciviousness by asking if he'd like a closer look.

But, instead, I smiled sweetly and pretended not to notice where his eyes are resting as he speaks with me.

So yes, there are piggish men who (try to or like to think that they) pass for saintly Christians. Whited sepulchers. This is what makes women angry. We can be doing absolutely nothing wrong and you still find a way to objectify us.

You are correct.  The blessing is that God is not displeased with your covering.  If you purposely give men part of "the girls" to view, you have no reason to wonder why he was looking.

Who is wondering why he was looking? He is a pervert. And probably a bottle baby. 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If anyone on here believes that if ANY man that had a woman sitting in front of them with their boobs hanging out and that man would have to on PURPOSE fight not to LOOK. your wrong. And lying. Or is not a man therefore wouldn't understand.

What an Ameri-centric view...

Correct.

No it's called human nature.

I see nothing!!

Then when a guy is tempted, this is what he should do!

 

[subllibrm]

Two women who are twins walked by a group of unGodly men, equally and modestly dressed. One is a an attractive blonde, the other an attractive brunette. Which will stir temptation in these men?

Well those who prefer blondes will lust after the blonde. Same for the brunette. Those who prefer redheads will look the other way.

"...the eyes of man are never satisfied." (Pro. 27:20)

Men are men and could lust even after the most modest ladies. In fact, some are far more attracted to modest ladies than immodest. However, the fact that men have lustful hearts does in no way negate a woman's responsibility to dress modestly.

Yes they should dress appropriate for the occasion with works that match.

.....said the Victoria's Secret model who helped at the soup kitchen on Saturday.

Never cook bacon naked. Good advice for anyone.