Stop Trump!!!

[Bruh]

Mark my words, if Trump does not get the nomination America will have a democrat president again.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I thought Trump was successful because conservatives were willing to overlook little issues like the fact that Trump was fine hacking up kids in the birth canal or that he thinks socialized medicine is grand because "he tells it like it is" or whatever.

I think your problem is in the first two words of that post....
Trump's support is as much about dissatisfaction and anger with the Republican establishment as it is about him.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Mark my words, if Trump does not get the nomination America will have a democrat president again.

I disagree.
I'm not a Trump fan.
I am a fan of his smacking the establishment on their backsides.
My hope and assumption is that Trump will not be the nominee....but admittedly the longer he maintains his current position the more my theory fades....

 

[Bruh]

The wealthy have more to give. I don't want anyone to have to give much of anything. However, so can afford it more than others.

Romney made a lot of poor Republicans mad. They didn't vote. He lost.

Well you have clearly proved yourself as someone who has no idea what a real conservative or liberal is. THAT is not a conservative tenant by any means.  I say again, low information voters.

The rest of your "specifics" were about as specific as Trump is on his great plans.

Trump wants to raise taxes on the hedge funds people.

 

[Bruh]

Mark my words, if Trump does not get the nomination America will have a democrat president again.

I disagree.
I'm not a Trump fan.
I am a fan of his smacking the establishment on their backsides.
My hope and assumption is that Trump will not be the nominee....but admittedly the longer he maintains his current position the more my theory fades....

Except for Carson there'll all establishment so he's smacking the ones that we don't want in office.

Those that are running who isn't establishment?

 

[rsc2a]

"I don't care if the guy is completely immoral and saying whatever people want to hear, he's better than the other guy."

 

[praise_yeshua]

The wealthy have more to give. I don't want anyone to have to give much of anything. However, so can afford it more than others.

Romney made a lot of poor Republicans mad. They didn't vote. He lost.

Well you have clearly proved yourself as someone who has no idea what a real conservative or liberal is. THAT is not a conservative tenant by any means.  I say again, low information voters.

The rest of your "specifics" were about as specific as Trump is on his great plans.

Typical establishment republican. When you lose. You claim to be smarter and more informed than others.

I'm a conservative and have always expected the rich to give more than the poor. Always. This isn't against conservative principles. Jesus said the same thing. Paul said the same thing. I don't think government should force people to give through taxation but if they do.... then the rich should be taxed more. I don't see how you can reject such a principle. In fact, I bet if you phrased the question this way..... every Republican in the primary would say the same thing. They support a graduated tax system. Even the flat tax is graduated with those buying more paying more.

Here. Let me show a small bit of intelligence. I can't say I originated it ...... I got it from Jesus.

From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

When a candidate or supposed "news anchor" asks leading, biased.... gotcha questions. They are speaking from their heart. They are liberal.... and it shows in their speech.

Another chink in your "conservative" veneer. Every  BELIEVER is under Biblical mandate to help the widows and orphans and the poor (though not lazy). And "to whom much is given, much is expected". But that doesn't mean the government is supposed to be the agent of the same. It's a fact that conservatives give more to charity then liberals. A real conservative desires the government to be smaller and more local.

And since you are talking about biblical example. God asked a tithe, ten percent, of all. He doesn't ask for thirty percent on those who make more.    I have been for a flat tax for 30 years since I first heard conservative candidate for senate seat from CA, Bruce Herschenson articulate it. (And what you describe is not a flat tax.) Not only is a real flat tax fair but one of the best points it allows people to really understand just how much they pay in taxes and realize how much an increase in spending will affect their taxes or the national debt.

You must not have read what I wrote. I said I wanted less monies overall taken for taxes. Smaller government. Those who much should pay more taxes than the poor. There is nothing u conservative about that position.

A flat income tax is unrealistic and a flat consumption tax is still a graduated tax. The rich I'll buy more and pay more. The poor will by less and pay less.

Are you really for a tax system where the ultra rich pay the same rate as the destitute? Really?

I haven't tithed in close to 25 years. I don't have a number in my head but I with Mater on the consumption tax with some relief for large ticket items such as cars.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Sounds like PY thinks the wealthy should pay their "fair share"

I don't think the rich are hurting under Obama. Not even close. I think everyone should pay much less.

I'm for taxing the hedge fund managers and in creasing the capital gains on profits that exceed a certain amount. I think it's fair and I bet many people believe the same.

 

[Bruh]

"I don't care if the guy is completely immoral and saying whatever people want to hear, he's better than the other guy."

There all completely immoral.

 

[Bruh]

Sounds like PY thinks the wealthy should pay their "fair share"

They should!!

 

[Just John]

 
? ?Trump wants to raise taxes on the hedge funds people?.
? ?They should!! (Regarding the rich paying their fair share).?
? ?I don't think the rich are hurting under Obama. Not even close. I think everyone should pay much less.

"I'm for taxing the hedge fund managers and increasing the capital gains on profits that exceed a certain amount. I think it's fair and I bet many people believe the same.? 

You think higher taxes will stop with hedge-fund managers?  LOL. Trump sure is playing a bunch of you.  He said he should be paying more and he's not a hedge-fund manager.

And who do you think should decide what a "fair share" is? Last year the top 1% paid 53% of taxes!!! The bottom 40% paid 4%. So I ask you, what is "fair"? The Dem's love to promote class envy and campaign against the rich because it plays to the less wealthy and buy's their votes. (They just typically never practice what they preach). But for every 757 jet and yacht Trum..., um, the rich buy the restaurants go to, the travel, etc., they provide jobs for people. Not to mention charity. Yes. trickle down economy does work! I'm by no means wealthy but at the same time I have zero jealousy for those who are.

 

[Just John]

The wealthy have more to give. I don't want anyone to have to give much of anything. However, so can afford it more than others.

Romney made a lot of poor Republicans mad. They didn't vote. He lost.

Well you have clearly proved yourself as someone who has no idea what a real conservative or liberal is. THAT is not a conservative tenant by any means.  I say again, low information voters.

The rest of your "specifics" were about as specific as Trump is on his great plans.

Typical establishment republican. When you lose. You claim to be smarter and more informed than others.

I'm a conservative and have always expected the rich to give more than the poor. Always. This isn't against conservative principles. Jesus said the same thing. Paul said the same thing. I don't think government should force people to give through taxation but if they do.... then the rich should be taxed more. I don't see how you can reject such a principle. In fact, I bet if you phrased the question this way..... every Republican in the primary would say the same thing. They support a graduated tax system. Even the flat tax is graduated with those buying more paying more.

Here. Let me show a small bit of intelligence. I can't say I originated it ...... I got it from Jesus.

From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

When a candidate or supposed "news anchor" asks leading, biased.... gotcha questions. They are speaking from their heart. They are liberal.... and it shows in their speech.

Another chink in your "conservative" veneer. Every  BELIEVER is under Biblical mandate to help the widows and orphans and the poor (though not lazy). And "to whom much is given, much is expected". But that doesn't mean the government is supposed to be the agent of the same. It's a fact that conservatives give more to charity then liberals. A real conservative desires the government to be smaller and more local.

And since you are talking about biblical example. God asked a tithe, ten percent, of all. He doesn't ask for thirty percent on those who make more.    I have been for a flat tax for 30 years since I first heard conservative candidate for senate seat from CA, Bruce Herschenson articulate it. (And what you describe is not a flat tax.) Not only is a real flat tax fair but one of the best points it allows people to really understand just how much they pay in taxes and realize how much an increase in spending will affect their taxes or the national debt.

You must not have read what I wrote. I said I wanted less monies overall taken for taxes. Smaller government. Those who much should pay more taxes than the poor. There is nothing u conservative about that position.

A flat income tax is unrealistic and a flat consumption tax is still a graduated tax. The rich I'll buy more and pay more. The poor will by less and pay less.

Are you really for a tax system where the ultra rich pay the same rate as the destitute? Really?

I haven't tithed in close to 25 years. I don't have a number in my head but I with Mater on the consumption tax with some relief for large ticket items such as cars.

You sound more like a Democrat on tax policy than anything else. Emotions defining policy rather than facts. 

Whether you have paid tithe in 25 years or not doesn't negate that God didn't seem to think the flat tithe was "unfair".  Picking fights that "some aren't paying "their fair share" is utter nonsense no matter if you say everyone should pay less. Many put nothing in, only pull out. Is that "fair"? 

A flat tax can work. And it will work to drive the size of government down and make it harder to raise taxes.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The wealthy have more to give. I don't want anyone to have to give much of anything. However, so can afford it more than others.

Romney made a lot of poor Republicans mad. They didn't vote. He lost.

Well you have clearly proved yourself as someone who has no idea what a real conservative or liberal is. THAT is not a conservative tenant by any means.  I say again, low information voters.

The rest of your "specifics" were about as specific as Trump is on his great plans.

Typical establishment republican. When you lose. You claim to be smarter and more informed than others.

I'm a conservative and have always expected the rich to give more than the poor. Always. This isn't against conservative principles. Jesus said the same thing. Paul said the same thing. I don't think government should force people to give through taxation but if they do.... then the rich should be taxed more. I don't see how you can reject such a principle. In fact, I bet if you phrased the question this way..... every Republican in the primary would say the same thing. They support a graduated tax system. Even the flat tax is graduated with those buying more paying more.

Here. Let me show a small bit of intelligence. I can't say I originated it ...... I got it from Jesus.

From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

When a candidate or supposed "news anchor" asks leading, biased.... gotcha questions. They are speaking from their heart. They are liberal.... and it shows in their speech.

Another chink in your "conservative" veneer. Every  BELIEVER is under Biblical mandate to help the widows and orphans and the poor (though not lazy). And "to whom much is given, much is expected". But that doesn't mean the government is supposed to be the agent of the same. It's a fact that conservatives give more to charity then liberals. A real conservative desires the government to be smaller and more local.

And since you are talking about biblical example. God asked a tithe, ten percent, of all. He doesn't ask for thirty percent on those who make more.    I have been for a flat tax for 30 years since I first heard conservative candidate for senate seat from CA, Bruce Herschenson articulate it. (And what you describe is not a flat tax.) Not only is a real flat tax fair but one of the best points it allows people to really understand just how much they pay in taxes and realize how much an increase in spending will affect their taxes or the national debt.

You must not have read what I wrote. I said I wanted less monies overall taken for taxes. Smaller government. Those who much should pay more taxes than the poor. There is nothing u conservative about that position.

A flat income tax is unrealistic and a flat consumption tax is still a graduated tax. The rich I'll buy more and pay more. The poor will by less and pay less.

Are you really for a tax system where the ultra rich pay the same rate as the destitute? Really?

I haven't tithed in close to 25 years. I don't have a number in my head but I with Mater on the consumption tax with some relief for large ticket items such as cars.

You sound more like a Democrat on tax policy than anything else. Emotions defining policy rather than facts. 

Whether you have paid tithe in 25 years or not doesn't negate that God didn't seem to think the flat tithe was "unfair".  Picking fights that "some aren't paying "their fair share" is utter nonsense no matter if you say everyone should pay less. Many put nothing in, only pull out. Is that "fair"? 

A flat tax can work. And it will work to drive the size of government down and make it harder to raise taxes.

I didn't say anything about fair. Stop listening the forum NUT.

God didn't run Israel on the tithe. It was the inheritance of tribe of Levi and various other things. You obviously don't know very much about the Scriptures.

All I said was the rich should pay more. I never said how much. I also said I want everyone to pay substantially less.

You're twisting what I said because your dishonest and you can't stand the political environment right now. Poor baby. Maybe the issues in the nation will help you grow up.

 

[praise_yeshua]

 
? ?Trump wants to raise taxes on the hedge funds people?.
? ?They should!! (Regarding the rich paying their fair share).?
? ?I don't think the rich are hurting under Obama. Not even close. I think everyone should pay much less.

"I'm for taxing the hedge fund managers and increasing the capital gains on profits that exceed a certain amount. I think it's fair and I bet many people believe the same.? 

You think higher taxes will stop with hedge-fund managers?  LOL. Trump sure is playing a bunch of you.  He said he should be paying more and he's not a hedge-fund manager.

And who do you think should decide what a "fair share" is? Last year the top 1% paid 53% of taxes!!! The bottom 40% paid 4%. So I ask you, what is "fair"? The Dem's love to promote class envy and campaign against the rich because it plays to the less wealthy and buy's their votes. (They just typically never practice what they preach). But for every 757 jet and yacht Trum..., um, the rich buy the restaurants go to, the travel, etc., they provide jobs for people. Not to mention charity. Yes. trickle down economy does work! I'm by no means wealthy but at the same time I have zero jealousy for those who are.

My gross income put me in the top 10 percent last year. I paid my fair share.

The top 10 percents share of the tax burden has been falling slightly over the last 30 years. if I'm not mistaken, it was higher under Reagan.

 

[Bruh]

 
? ?Trump wants to raise taxes on the hedge funds people?.
? ?They should!! (Regarding the rich paying their fair share).?
? ?I don't think the rich are hurting under Obama. Not even close. I think everyone should pay much less.

"I'm for taxing the hedge fund managers and increasing the capital gains on profits that exceed a certain amount. I think it's fair and I bet many people believe the same.? 

You think higher taxes will stop with hedge-fund managers?  LOL. Trump sure is playing a bunch of you.  He said he should be paying more and he's not a hedge-fund manager.

And who do you think should decide what a "fair share" is? Last year the top 1% paid 53% of taxes!!! The bottom 40% paid 4%. So I ask you, what is "fair"? The Dem's love to promote class envy and campaign against the rich because it plays to the less wealthy and buy's their votes. (They just typically never practice what they preach). But for every 757 jet and yacht Trum..., um, the rich buy the restaurants go to, the travel, etc., they provide jobs for people. Not to mention charity. Yes. trickle down economy does work! I'm by no means wealthy but at the same time I have zero jealousy for those who are.

Understand what you are saying but when Warren Buffet says his secretary has a hire percentage she pays in taxes than he does THAT is what needs to change.

So if someone like me pays 30% someone like Warren Buffet should pay at least that when he doesn't.

 

[rsc2a]

Nothing stopping Buffet from writing a check.

 

[Just John]

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I didn't say anything about fair. Stop listening the forum NUT.

God didn't run Israel on the tithe. It was the inheritance of tribe of Levi and various other things. You obviously don't know very much about the Scriptures.

All I said was the rich should pay more. I never said how much. I also said I want everyone to pay substantially less.

You're twisting what I said because your dishonest and you can't stand the political environment right now. Poor baby. Maybe the issues in the nation will help you grow up.

I enjoy a good argument. With you it's like fish in a barrel.  LOL

Surrrrre you didn't say anything about fairness :

Are you really for a tax system where the ultra rich pay the same rate as the destitute? Really?

And in another post you said you got your principles from Jesus:

I'm a conservative and have always expected the rich to give more than the poor. Always. This isn't against conservative principles. Jesus said the same thing. Paul said the same thing. I don't think government should force people to give through taxation but if they do.... then the rich should be taxed more. I don't see how you can reject such a principle. In fact, I bet if you phrased the question this way..... every Republican in the primary would say the same thing. They support a graduated tax system. Even the flat tax is graduated with those buying more paying more.

Here. Let me show a small bit of intelligence. I can't say I originated it ...... I got it from Jesus.

It doesn't matter what the tithe was used for. The principle is that God applied it across the board...10% to everyone. Not a graduated "tithe".  Was that "unfair"?

But like your boy Donald you get so upset you just want get mad, shout, and call names.  Sometimes it seems you are so mad your sentences don't even make sense. You make Trump's demographic proud.  LOL

 

[Just John]

 
? ?Trump wants to raise taxes on the hedge funds people?.
? ?They should!! (Regarding the rich paying their fair share).?
? ?I don't think the rich are hurting under Obama. Not even close. I think everyone should pay much less.

"I'm for taxing the hedge fund managers and increasing the capital gains on profits that exceed a certain amount. I think it's fair and I bet many people believe the same.? 

You think higher taxes will stop with hedge-fund managers?  LOL. Trump sure is playing a bunch of you.  He said he should be paying more and he's not a hedge-fund manager.

And who do you think should decide what a "fair share" is? Last year the top 1% paid 53% of taxes!!! The bottom 40% paid 4%. So I ask you, what is "fair"? The Dem's love to promote class envy and campaign against the rich because it plays to the less wealthy and buy's their votes. (They just typically never practice what they preach). But for every 757 jet and yacht Trum..., um, the rich buy the restaurants go to, the travel, etc., they provide jobs for people. Not to mention charity. Yes. trickle down economy does work! I'm by no means wealthy but at the same time I have zero jealousy for those who are.

My gross income put me in the top 10 percent last year. I paid my fair share.

The top 10 percents share of the tax burden has been falling slightly over the last 30 years. if I'm not mistaken, it was higher under Reagan.

Most all people think they paid THEIR "fair share". It's the OTHER person's "fair share" many worry about. 

When Reagan came into office the top rate was 70%. In 1985 it dropped to 28%. When Obama came into office it was 34%,. Now it's 39.6%

 

[Just John]

 
? ?Trump wants to raise taxes on the hedge funds people?.
? ?They should!! (Regarding the rich paying their fair share).?
? ?I don't think the rich are hurting under Obama. Not even close. I think everyone should pay much less.

"I'm for taxing the hedge fund managers and increasing the capital gains on profits that exceed a certain amount. I think it's fair and I bet many people believe the same.? 

You think higher taxes will stop with hedge-fund managers?  LOL. Trump sure is playing a bunch of you.  He said he should be paying more and he's not a hedge-fund manager.

And who do you think should decide what a "fair share" is? Last year the top 1% paid 53% of taxes!!! The bottom 40% paid 4%. So I ask you, what is "fair"? The Dem's love to promote class envy and campaign against the rich because it plays to the less wealthy and buy's their votes. (They just typically never practice what they preach). But for every 757 jet and yacht Trum..., um, the rich buy the restaurants go to, the travel, etc., they provide jobs for people. Not to mention charity. Yes. trickle down economy does work! I'm by no means wealthy but at the same time I have zero jealousy for those who are.

Understand what you are saying but when Warren Buffet says his secretary has a hire percentage she pays in taxes than he does THAT is what needs to change.

So if someone like me pays 30% someone like Warren Buffet should pay at least that when he doesn't.

Amen brother.  One of the reasons I'm for a flat tax.

 

[Just John]

The Rouge Tomato:

And there you have it in a nutshell.  We're fed up with the long history of spineless republicans since Reagan.  Trump fights, and that's what conservatives long for even more than this or that policy. 

Cruz fights, too, but he doesn't get as much media attention, so people are finding an outlet for their frustrations in Trump. 

Rsc2a:
I thought Trump was successful because conservatives were willing to overlook little issues like the fact that Trump was fine hacking up kids in the birth canal or that he thinks socialized medicine is grand because "he tells it like it is" or whatever.

Tarheel:
Trump's support is as much about dissatisfaction and anger with the Republican establishment as it is about him.

I don't disagree. And indeed there is much to be angry about with the GOP.  However so many finding a savior in Trump because "he fights" reminds me to those who revered the Jack Hyles types because "they fought" which really meant they were loud rude and abusive to those who disagreed with them. People were willing to overlook or even disbelieve the nonsense going on all around them. There have been many others like Father Coughlin and Huey Long to mention a couple notables from history.

Yes, fight!  But fight with the right ammunition (policy) and right leader.

Sorry for all the posts. Politics and religions is a real passion of mine.