The Pinnacle of KJV-Only Lunacy!

[Baptist Renegade]

I often tell folks that I did not abandon KJV-Only due to intellectual persuasion but in order to get my family in a good church away from all of the loons!

This however, is an extreme that even mainstream KJV-Only types would have to concede as being indefensible!

Counterfeit King James Bibles

And here is my personal review on the article:

 

[abcaines]

I often tell folks that I did not abandon KJV-Only due to intellectual persuasion but in order to get my family in a good church away from all of the loons!

This however, is an extreme that even mainstream KJV-Only types would have to concede as being indefensible!

Counterfeit King James Bibles

And here is my personal review on the article:

I took one look at the article and Proverbs 10:19 immediately came to mind.

When I see verbose websites written in small fonts, I pass.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

I took one look at the article and Proverbs 10:19 immediately came to mind.

When I see verbose websites written in small fonts, I pass.

Back in the day, this was THE SITE for "Bible Believers!" I just about had it as my "home page" when I first got on the internet in the 1990s and I was still hard-core KJVO (and using dial up to get online).

It has hardly changed since but I am not hearing any "MiDi File Hymns" like before.

 

[Ransom]

We've talked about this page once or twice before. Not surprised; it first got my attention in 2004. (Looks like it, too.)

My very favourite part is probably the stupdest thing ever written:

Now the very worst of this battle of o-u-r vs. o-r comes when dealing with the only begotten Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The modern day counterfeiters have changed Saviour to Savior. They have given us a six-letter Savior in place of a seven-letter Saviour. In Bible numerics seven is the number of completeness, purity, and spiritual perfection. On the other hand six is the number of man which is earthly not heavenly. Every one has heard of 666. It has a bad connotation and is not highly esteemed in Bible numerics.​

I call this kind of "reasoning" the Church of the Holy Horseshoe, because he's literally arguing that spelling "Saviour" with a U will save people from the deceptions of the Antichrist.

Around this time was basically the peak (nadir?) of KJV-onlyism's purity spiral, when they tried to outdo each other in moronic arguments to prove they were more "separated" or whatever.

 

[Ransom]

It has hardly changed since but I am not hearing any "MiDi File Hymns" like before.

Fortunately, a modern browser wouldn't even play em if they were there. The plugins to play embedded MIDI were deprecated years ago for security reasons.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

We've talked about this page once or twice before. Not surprised; it first got my attention in 2004. (Looks like it, too.)

My very favourite part is probably the stupdest thing ever written:

Now the very worst of this battle of o-u-r vs. o-r comes when dealing with the only begotten Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The modern day counterfeiters have changed Saviour to Savior. They have given us a six-letter Savior in place of a seven-letter Saviour. In Bible numerics seven is the number of completeness, purity, and spiritual perfection. On the other hand six is the number of man which is earthly not heavenly. Every one has heard of 666. It has a bad connotation and is not highly esteemed in Bible numerics.​

I call this kind of "reasoning" the Church of the Holy Horseshoe, because he's literally arguing that spelling "Saviour" with a U will save people from the deceptions of the Antichrist.

Around this time was basically the peak (nadir?) of KJV-onlyism's purity spiral, when they tried to outdo each other in moronic arguments to prove they were more "separated" or whatever.

Following such reasoning, you wonder why they just don't stick with the "Original 1611" and rail on all the liberal apostates who use the 1769 revision!

Seriously though, it was stuff like this that ultimately made me exit the "KJV-Only Chat!"

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

We've talked about this page once or twice before. Not surprised; it first got my attention in 2004. (Looks like it, too.)

My very favourite part is probably the stupdest thing ever written:

Now the very worst of this battle of o-u-r vs. o-r comes when dealing with the only begotten Son of God, our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The modern day counterfeiters have changed Saviour to Savior. They have given us a six-letter Savior in place of a seven-letter Saviour. In Bible numerics seven is the number of completeness, purity, and spiritual perfection. On the other hand six is the number of man which is earthly not heavenly. Every one has heard of 666. It has a bad connotation and is not highly esteemed in Bible numerics.​

I call this kind of "reasoning" the Church of the Holy Horseshoe, because he's literally arguing that spelling "Saviour" with a U will save people from the deceptions of the Antichrist.

Around this time was basically the peak (nadir?) of KJV-onlyism's purity spiral, when they tried to outdo each other in moronic arguments to prove they were more "separated" or whatever.

Ronald Wilson Reagan - Three names- 6 letters each.

 

[illinoisguy]

REVENGE OF THE SITH

I'm "astonied" that the chart does not include Ezekiel 35:6 - "Therefore as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee." - AV 1611

The real Bible - "sith"
Counterfeit Bible - "since"

 

[aleshanee]

REVENGE OF THE SITH

I'm "astonied" that the chart does not include Ezekiel 35:6 - "Therefore as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee." - AV 1611

The real Bible - "sith"
Counterfeit Bible - "since"

oddly enough..... or maybe it;s not odd at all...... but there is no word for "sith" in the hawaiian language.... .. the hawaiian bible which was translated directly from a 1611 kjv into hawaiian in 1839...with the help of bilingual hawaiians... wrote that section of ezekiel 35 down as ....

"ke ʻole ʻoe e hoʻowahāwahā i ke koko, e hahai ke koko iā ʻoe.... ...."

...... which would be understood by a hawaiian reader as - -

"when you do not despise blood, blood will follow you..."

thankfully the KJVO fanatic virus of the modern age did not infect the christian missionaries who came here in the late 1700s... and they also never saw a star wars movie.... .. otherwise who knows what the native hawaiians would have been taught to believe.....

 

[Ransom]

In the past I've seen discussions on the distinction between "shamefacedness" and "shamefastness" (as used in 1 Timothy 2:9). Arguing that "shamefacedness" means women's shame (i.e. modesty, bashfulness) should be visible in their faces.

The problem is that the former is just a more modern spelling of the latter, corrupted by a bit of folk etymology. It actually has nothing to do with faces; "shamefastness" comes from Old English scamfæst: 'shame' + 'fast,' i.e. held fast (bound) by shame.

Just another argument the KJVers like to make based on distinctions they invented themselves.

(Speaking of which, there used to be a KJV-only indy-fundy Baptist house church in my hometown. A missionary couple from a KJVer church in Florida were commissioned and sent out to northern Ontario, apparently under the impression that a town without enough Baptists to fill up one church needed a second one. They then made the wise decision to call their church plant, "Faithful Providor Baptist Church."

I assume it wasn't long before someone pointed out the obvious spelling mistake in the name. Rather than take any time or effort to correct it, they put an argument on their Web site that there are many "providers," but only one "providor." Anyway, the plant never outgrew the basement of the couple's tiny little house and closed up after about 10 years; they piled into their RV and took their clown show on the road.)

 

[Baptist Renegade]

They then made the wise decision to call their church plant, "Faithful Providor Baptist Church."

With a name like that, it is a sure bet that this was a "Steven Anderson Church Plant!"

There was one in the Houston area called "Pure Words Baptist Church" that is now closed down amidst a good bit of drama and to which I say good riddance!

 

[Ransom]

With a name like that, it is a sure bet that this was a "Steven Anderson Church Plant!"

Not totally impossible, but highly doubtful. The sending church was founded in 1978 and the founding pastor appears to be quite well-educated at a number of fundamentalist-oriented colleges and seminaries. I'd be fairly sure that his MDiv and DMin are legit. (I chose one of his more recent sermons to scan while I was writing this--I wouldn't call it spectacular, but it's not raising any red flags, sounds well reasoned, and he hasn't raised his voice once.)

HAC dropout Spamderson opposes seminary education.

As a KJV-only IFB church in Florida, I might have pegged them as a Ruckmanite church, but also in this sermon there's a complete lack of bombast. From what I watched of that one service, it looks like a pretty friendly place. As for the missionary guy back home, I can fault him for his spelling skills and his choice of mission field, but for all I know he'd be my best friend if I met him.

 

[illinoisguy]

The real Bible: "We do you to wit" - 2 Corinthians 8:1, AV 1611
Counterfeit Bible: "We make known to you"- NKJV

The real Bible: "The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy" - James 4:5, AV 1611
Counterfeit Bible: "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"- NKJV

Gotta watch out for those counterfeit Bibles - they just might help folks understand what the Spirit is saying to us.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

Not totally impossible, but highly doubtful. The sending church was founded in 1978 and the founding pastor appears to be quite well-educated at a number of fundamentalist-oriented colleges and seminaries. I'd be fairly sure that his MDiv and DMin are legit. (I chose one of his more recent sermons to scan while I was writing this--I wouldn't call it spectacular, but it's not raising any red flags, sounds well reasoned, and he hasn't raised his voice once.)

HAC dropout Spamderson opposes seminary education.

As a KJV-only IFB church in Florida, I might have pegged them as a Ruckmanite church, but also in this sermon there's a complete lack of bombast. From what I watched of that one service, it looks like a pretty friendly place. As for the missionary guy back home, I can fault him for his spelling skills and his choice of mission field, but for all I know he'd be my best friend if I met him.

An MDiv and Dmin is rare (but not unheard of) for the IFB-KJVO crowd. With the more "mainstream" IFB crowd, the educational standard seems to be an undergrad degree (Pastoral Theology) with perhaps a later MA to supplement and an "Honorary Doctorate" if they are able to distinguish themselves in the IFB world. "IFB Seminary" is a phrase hardly heard if ever during my heyday in the crowd and I would be hard-pressed to actually name one. Louisiana Baptist Theological Seminary (the one I am graduating from this month) is BBFI approved but also has affiliation with the SBC.

 

[voicecrying]

IFBx don't believe in casting out Dmins.

 

[Ransom]

"IFB Seminary" is a phrase hardly heard if ever during my heyday in the crowd and I would be hard-pressed to actually name one. Louisiana Baptist Theological Seminary (the one I am graduating from this month) is BBFI approved but also has affiliation with the SBC.

Louisiana Baptist Theological Seminary is, in fact, one of the schools he lists as having attended.

 

[Baptist Renegade]

Louisiana Baptist Theological Seminary is, in fact, one of the schools he lists as having attended.

Ahem...that's good to know.....I think!

There is no one I have interacted with that is even remotely KJVO although I wouldn't doubt that there are some who have attended who hold to the position. Paul Chappell received Master's Degree from there a number of years ago and he is listed as one of their more "prominent" alumni. I wouldn't consider Chappell as one who is "rabidly" KJVO.

They are also decidedly "Free-Willy" and the Seminary Dean has expressed concern regarding my "Calvinist" leanings even after going through their program. At least the program showed objectivity allowing one to come to their own conclusions (of which I most certainly did) but I believe they are rewriting the curriculum making it more biased towards Leighton Flowers and his ilk.

 

[biscuit1953]

IFBx don't believe in casting out Dmins.

The apostles are part of the foundation upon which the Church was built.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Paul proved his apostleship by “signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds” (2 Cor 12:11-12). When Jesus sent his apostles out, one of the powers given to them was “casting out demons” (Matt 10:5-8). Jesus said the purpose of performing miracles was to “confirm the word” (Mark 16:20).

The Bible never commands believers to perform exorcisms, nor does it present exorcism as a common or routine practice for Christians. The ability to cast out demons was part of the apostolic ministry and served to authenticate the message of the gospel in the first century. There are so many fake healings and raisings of the dead on the internet that it is embarrassing for the Church to pretend these things are real. If you know of anyone alive today that performs the miracles found throughout the ministry of Jesus and the apostles then by all means give us his name. The website “Got Questions” is more Reformed than IFB from what I have read and they agree with this.

What does the Bible say about casting out demons? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about casting out demons? Does the Bible instruct followers of Christ on how to cast out demons?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[voicecrying]

The apostles are part of the foundation upon which the Church was built.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Paul proved his apostleship by “signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds” (2 Cor 12:11-12). When Jesus sent his apostles out, one of the powers given to them was “casting out demons” (Matt 10:5-8). Jesus said the purpose of performing miracles was to “confirm the word” (Mark 16:20).

The Bible never commands believers to perform exorcisms, nor does it present exorcism as a common or routine practice for Christians. The ability to cast out demons was part of the apostolic ministry and served to authenticate the message of the gospel in the first century. There are so many fake healings and raisings of the dead on the internet that it is embarrassing for the Church to pretend these things are real. If you know of anyone alive today that performs the miracles found throughout the ministry of Jesus and the apostles then by all means give us his name. The website “Got Questions” is more Reformed than IFB from what I have read and they agree with this.

What does the Bible say about casting out demons? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about casting out demons? Does the Bible instruct followers of Christ on how to cast out demons?

www.gotquestions.org

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