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And there's insignificant crony 3: the guy who lends silent support from the corner by only thumbing up the worst posts to save them from looking so stupid.

Imagine if a KJVO or Dispensationalist did all the things Westcott & Hort did. These guys would be ripping them apart.

Of course, because it's the 2 guys who started their corrupt money grubbing New Version system and gave all the famous modern scholars their "higher church rep" among all the millions of deceived lukewarm sheep in megachurches around the world who are now using them to keep them in bondage to their religion by keeping in them in fear under the law with their pharisaical works salvation false gospel lie (Lordship Salvation), it becomes:


"well everyone summons demons, man. it's all part of the culture. never mind what the bible says about this. it's not only normal, it's classy! so they had their doubts and satanic connections from satanic groups who praised their new versions for aligning with satanism, yeah so what? so they were all about realigning the new versions with catholic tradition and doctrine, yeah so what? if you just pay attention to this one thing they said here that actually does agree with christian orthodoxy, all that other minor stuff suddenly evaporates!"


The double standard of these disinfo agents is worse than CNN knocking Trump for golfing while ignoring everything crazy Biden does.
Actually the gay king and his merry band did have their own issues (persecuting Christians,
treasure_unseen, the guy who said the Bible is lying when it says the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, said it, believe him.

He's obviously a very humble and perceptive man, eager to adjust his mistaken positions to align with the truth.


Then you promote and believe nothing Christian. You attack the KJV (essentially the Majority Text line outside the Critical Text), yet you claim you don't support Westcott & Hort's New Versions now.

You attack Dispensationalism, yet you claim you're not a Covenant Theologian, even though you literally think you're a Jew.

These guys are liars, folks. Disinfo agents needing to be exposed.
Correction. Literally Disinfo agents-and in my case Sr. Disinfo agent.
 

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Actually the gay king and his merry band
Well, Catholic Jim, that myth about King James is exclusively held by the idiots in the Catholic church who do no research outside their cult, since they are afraid of losing good relations with "Mother Church" with THE SYSTEM.

I've never ran across any non-Catholic who made that argument.


"There is absolutely no legitimate historical evidence to indicate that he was.

The same critics who decry examinations of the lives of Westcott and Hort as ad hominem attacks gleefully slander King James and by association deride the Bible translation that now bears his name. First, we must note that whereas Westcott and Hort are directly responsible for modern textual criticism theory and practice, having a major impact on translations employing their methods, King James did not have such influence on the AV.

Second, the charge itself is slanderous and false. The historical basis for the charge is based on non-eye witness claims of enemies of King James who resented a Scott being on the throne of England. Modern scholars who continue to perpetuate this lie find themselves quoting modern homosexual authors with a clear agenda to promote, and betray their monumental ignorance of historical context of writings and customs. These same "historians" would cite 1 Sam. 18 as proof that David and Jonathan had sexual relations.

Further, an examination of King James' numerous extant writings show him to be a true man and father; in deep love with his wife. For complete and detailed research on this issue, I refer you to the book King James VI of Scotland & I of England, Unjustly Accused?, by Stephen A. Coston, which goes in to exhaustive detail on the matter."
 

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Further debunking this insane argument coming from no one except the evil Catholic system (they fabricate more than they ever tell the truth):

"At a time when only the churches of England possessed the Bible in English, King James' desire was that the common people should have the Bible in their native tongue. Thus, in 1603, King James called 54 of history's most learned men together to accomplish this great task. At a time when the leaders of the world wished to keep their subjects in spiritual ignorance, King James offered his subjects the greatest gift that he could give them. Their own copy of the word of God in English.

James, who was fluent in Latin, Greek, and French, and schooled in Italian and Spanish, even wrote a tract entitled "Counterblast to Tobacco," which was written to help thwart the use of tobacco in England.

Such a man was sure to have enemies. One such man, Anthony Weldon, had to be excluded from the court. Weldon swore vengeance. It was not until 1650, twenty-five years after the death of James, that Weldon saw his chance. He wrote a paper calling James a homosexual. Obviously, James, being dead, was in no condition to defend himself.

The report was largely ignored since there were still enough people alive who knew it wasn't true. In fact, it lay dormant for years, until recently when it was picked up by Christians who hoped that vilifying King James would tarnish the Bible that bears his name so that Christians would turn away from God's book to a more "modern" translation.

It seems, though, that Weldon's false account is being once again largely ignored by the majority of Christianity with the exception of those with an ulterior motive, such as its author had.

It might also be mentioned here that the Roman Catholic Church was so desperate to keep the true Bible out of the hands of the English people that it attempted to kill King James and all of Parliament in 1605.

In 1605 a Roman Catholic by the name of Guy Fawkes, under the direction of a Jesuit priest by the name of Henry Garnet, was found in the basement of Parliament with thirty-six barrels of gunpowder which he was to use to blow up King James and the entire Parliament.
After killing the king, they planned on imprisoning his children, re- establishing England as a state loyal to the Pope and kill all who resisted. Needless to say, the perfect English Bible would have been one of the plot's victims. Fawkes and Garnet and eight other conspirators were caught and hanged.

It seems that those who work so hard to discredit the character of King James join an unholy lot." -Dr. Sam Gipp, The Answer Book
 

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It seems that those who work so hard to discredit the character of King James join an unholy lot." -Dr. Sam Gipp, The Answer Book
Did you see Sammy's lie in that short quote? Calls himself "Dr." when he has never earned a PhD.
 

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Did you see Sammy's lie in that short quote? Calls himself "Dr." when he has never earned a PhD.
Sam Gipp's degrees:

Bachelor of Divinity, Pensacola Bible Institute, Pensacola, FL
Master of Theology, Clarksville School of Theology, Clarksville, TN
Doctor of Theology, Clarksville School of Thology, Clarksville, TN
Doctor of Philosphy, Pensacola Bible Institute, Pensacola, FL

"Those aren't accredited by the UN-run education system!" You mean the same system that dictates to the US education system with Theosophy:

From Lucis Trust's Official Site: Support of the United Nations:
https://www.lucistrust.org/about_us/support_un
From Lucis Trust's Official Site: The United Nations: Manifesting the Vision of the One humanity: https://www.lucistrust.org/blog_wgun/un_manifesting

Don't miss this now:
"According to Lucis Trust's own website "Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus 'the fall') from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name 'Lucifer' which means light-bearer".
Blavatsky herself taught "…it is but natural — even from the dead letter standpoint — to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the 'Harbinger of Light,' bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah, as alleged; and he who was the first to whisper: 'in the day ye eat thereof ye shall be as elohim, knowing good and evil' — can only be regarded in the light of a saviour" (see Anthropogenesis, p. 243, also Theosophist Magazine September 1960-April 1961, p. 23)."

Remember, the founder of Lucis (originally Lucifer) Trust was Alice Bailey, the protege of Helena Blavatsky, founder of Theosophy. Lucis Trust essentially is the execution of the Satanic New Age doctrine and agenda upon the world from the UN level down.

Remember who was friends with them? Westcott and Hort, also friends with the globalist Catholics. Remember what they did to the Bible? They changed it to say Lucifer is Jesus. Remember their stated goal? To bring Lucifer worship in through the churches. Remember what the Bible says about how the whole world will worship the anti-Christ? Dispensationalism.

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Chisolm, first Director General of the United Nations World Health Organization
 

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Ohhhh,

NOW it makes sense why the Catholics with their CATHOLIC NEW VERSIONS, also embraced by the Theosophists, invoke "Lucifer" at the Easter Vigil Mass:


Tell us again, Ransom, how the Satanic Theosophists were right in replacing "Lucifer" with Jesus the "Morning Star" in the Bible. Tell us, Ransom, how there will be no anti-Christ coming, because you allegorized the nonsense out of those verses to force-fit them into your evil, Satanic, deceptive doctrine.


Could the Catholics and their Theosophically-adjusted NEW VERSIONS be worshipping the same "shining light" Lucifer as the Theosophists do at the UN?
The front page of Lucis Trust:

(Remember, much of the doctrines of Theosophy were given to people by them channeling demons via "automatic writing",
and they essentially believe they are resurrecting the Ancient Mystery Religion of Babylon: Satan's religion)


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Remember, Ugh Church! is only 80% Ruckmanoid.

That's still enough Ruckman Kool-aid to drive him into throwing a hilarious wobbly about Alice Bailey and Helen Blavatsky, just because someone on the Internet questions the worth of Sam the Gipper's Ph.D., awarded by Dead Pete's church-basement babble skrool.

KJV-onlyists.
You gotta laugh.
 

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treasure_unseen, the guy who said the Bible is lying when it says the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, said it, believe him.
I explained what "depart" meant. Which is wholly consistent with the entirety of Scripture.

He's obviously a very humble and perceptive man, eager to adjust his mistaken positions to align with the truth.
One of the best indications of Humility is admitting you're wrong. I haven't seen you do that all. Not once. Not in any single thing. I have repeated talked of how I have been wrong and even apologized openly when I made a mistake. I'm not bragging. Like any man that lives this life, I struggle with humility. I do try to change.

Which is something you haven't embraced. In fact, you've claimed perfection. I haven't.


Then you promote and believe nothing Christian.
I have repeatedly claimed Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I have said repeatedly that Jesus Christ alone is the only way to heaven. If you believe that isn't Christian. Then YOU have a big problem. Like always its seems. You are being dishonest.

You attack the KJV (essentially the Majority Text line outside the Critical Text), yet you claim you don't support Westcott & Hort's New Versions now.
I promote Codex Alexandrinus. I have repeated referenced it. It predates Westcott and Hort. I don't need them.

I do attack the KJV. I have for many years. I attack the errors contained in its pages. I attack the despot king that brought it about. I attack the church of England's horrible doctrine that promotes an earthly man above Jesus Christ. I reject the horrible and murderous monarchy of England that subjugated men and brought slavery to America. A sinful and ungodly monarch you promote.

You attack Dispensationalism, yet you claim you're not a Covenant Theologian, even though you literally think you're a Jew.
I am a descendant of Abraham through my relationship with Jesus Christ.. He the only heir. The only SEED recieving all the promises of God. They are ALL in Him...

These guys are liars, folks. Disinfo agents needing to be exposed.
Let God be true and every person a liar. You fall in that latter category yourself.
 

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I explained what "depart" meant.
You don't have to, everyone already knows what "depart" means. It's one of the simplest words in the English dictionary.

It means "to leave, usually on a journey". Thanks.

Let God be true and every person a liar. You fall in that latter category yourself.
You don't, though. You're special. And Jewish, apparently.

throwing a hilarious wobbly about Alice Bailey and Helen Blavatsky
He's still over there in denial, even at this point. I am slightly surprised though.

At least he didn't double down on his position. That would have really given him away.
 

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That's still enough Ruckman Kool-aid to drive him into
Still living in the stone age I see.

You do realize almost none of that research was from Ruckman, or Sam Gipp. Right.

Again, I recommend looking into research by channels and sources like FaceLikeTheSun (go back and watch their documentary "Age of Deceit") and The Fuel Project.

To my knowledge the leaders of FaceLikeTheSun are not KJVO folks, neither is The Fuel Project, yet they have outstanding research on the history of Mystery Babylon, Theosophy, Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, and/or Lucis Trust.

I knew all of this years before I even encountered the KJVO issue or Ruckman.


Here's Part 8 of a 77-Part series by The Fuel Project I saw 9 years ago on the Mysteries:

Wake up, folks. We are not ignorant of Satan's devices. Sometimes to know who has the truth, who have to know what lies are being created.

There goes your theories that Theosophy, the Ancient Mystery Religion, and the Luciferian New Age is all "KJVO and Ruckman talk".
These guys are 0% Ruckmanite and not KJVO. As is the Westcott & Hort issue. So now your red herrings don't work, time to update your tactics to include the new generation of aware Christians.
 

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You don't have to, everyone already knows what "depart" means. It's one of the simplest words in the English dictionary.

It means "to leave, usually on a journey". Thanks.
No. It also means to deviate from a typical course of action. Which is what has always happened and still does to those who rebel against God. God can't fellowship with us as long as we aren't walking in the light. However, HE never leaves us nor abandons us. That is your mistake.


You don't, though. You're special. And Jewish, apparently.
I bow to one Jew. No others.

I know you understand and I know you're battling your own conscience. If you're not, then there is no reason to continue this conversation. You're past feeling anything.
 

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No. It also means to deviate from a typical course of action. Which is what has always happened and still does to those who rebel against God. God can't fellowship with us as long as we aren't walking in the light. However, HE never leaves us nor abandons us. That is your mistake.
Is this what being under a delusion looks like?

First, at least 6 Versions translate that word as "left". Not "deviate". Might want to adopt the KJVO just for this one lie of yours, it will help you this one time, then you can flip-flop back to the New Versions when they're convenient again, because they're obviously against you here.

Second, the Hebrew word does not mean "deviated", it means "withdrew" and in the context of the passage more accurately "departed / left" BECAUSE AFTER the Holy Spirit LEFT Saul, an Evil spirit came to torment him.

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The Holy Spirit was not sitting there "deviating" (what, was he dancing in place?) while the evil spirit came upon Saul. He LEFT him and the evil spirit CAME UPON him, it was a SWAP. It's SIMPLE. Stop overcomplicating it with your theoretical BS.

The Holy Spirit did not permanently indwell believers in the OT, but rather came UPON saints to perform specific functions and anointings:

1. "Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone" (Numbers 11:17).
2. "...and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again," (Numbers 11:25).
3. "The Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward," (1 Samuel 16:13).

(Notice "came" and "depart" are terms used. NOT DEVIATE AND DANCE IN PLACE.)


The indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit and the new birth did NOT occur until AFTER Jesus rose again:

"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" (John 7:38-39)


It's simple. This is not rocket science.

Why does anyone insist on not believing what the Bible says for their own unnecessary, overcomplicated theory that wrests the plain standing of the text into an inconsistent scripture-contradicting paradox. One can only do it if he is a liar or under a demonic delusion playing on his pride.
 

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...and you know what the Hebrew Lexicons say that word means?
Depart, Remove, To Be Removed, To Come to an End, Abolish, Take Away, To Be Taken Away

Another verse where the same word is used:
"And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only." -Exodus 8:11

Did those frogs LEAVE their houses and to go somewhere else: "in the river only", or were they "deviating in place" and simultaneously in the river at the same time.


You see the insanity of what happens when you so stubbornly refuse to give up your theories and theology to correct yourself according to what God tries to reveal to you from the Bible.
 

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Sam Gipp's degrees:

Bachelor of Divinity, Pensacola Bible Institute, Pensacola, FL
Master of Theology, Clarksville School of Theology, Clarksville, TN
Doctor of Theology, Clarksville School of Thology, Clarksville, TN
Doctor of Philosphy, Pensacola Bible Institute, Pensacola, FL

"Those aren't accredited by the UN-run education system!" You mean the same system that dictates to the US education system with Theosophy:

From Lucis Trust's Official Site: Support of the United Nations:
https://www.lucistrust.org/about_us/support_un
From Lucis Trust's Official Site: The United Nations: Manifesting the Vision of the One humanity: https://www.lucistrust.org/blog_wgun/un_manifesting

Don't miss this now:
"According to Lucis Trust's own website "Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus 'the fall') from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name 'Lucifer' which means light-bearer".
Blavatsky herself taught "…it is but natural — even from the dead letter standpoint — to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the 'Harbinger of Light,' bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah, as alleged; and he who was the first to whisper: 'in the day ye eat thereof ye shall be as elohim, knowing good and evil' — can only be regarded in the light of a saviour" (see Anthropogenesis, p. 243, also Theosophist Magazine September 1960-April 1961, p. 23)."

Remember, the founder of Lucis (originally Lucifer) Trust was Alice Bailey, the protege of Helena Blavatsky, founder of Theosophy. Lucis Trust essentially is the execution of the Satanic New Age doctrine and agenda upon the world from the UN level down.

Remember who was friends with them? Westcott and Hort, also friends with the globalist Catholics. Remember what they did to the Bible? They changed it to say Lucifer is Jesus. Remember their stated goal? To bring Lucifer worship in through the churches. Remember what the Bible says about how the whole world will worship the anti-Christ? Dispensationalism.

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Chisolm, first Director General of the United Nations World Health Organization
Ya, that doctorate from Pensacola is honorary. In other words not earned. The one from Clarksville (an online diploma mill) does not seem much better. The state of TN closed the school down and it relocated to NC. Every time the president changes the location of the school changes. If he didn't pretend to be a "Dr." it wouldn't be a big deal. However, if the first lie you tell is on the cover of your book there is probably little use in reading the rest.

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Well, Catholic Jim, that myth about King James is exclusively held by the idiots in the Catholic church...

I've never ran across any non-Catholic who made that argument.


Sec Modern scholars who continue to perpetuate this lie find themselves quoting modern homosexual authors with a clear agenda...
I'm not sure you know what the word "exclusively" means. In your own post you go on to describe another group of people that also perpetuate the "myth".
 

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Still living in the stone age I see.

You do realize almost none of that research was from Ruckman, or Sam Gipp. Right.

Again, I recommend looking into research by channels and sources like FaceLikeTheSun (go back and watch their documentary "Age of Deceit") and The Fuel Project.

To my knowledge the leaders of FaceLikeTheSun are not KJVO folks, neither is The Fuel Project, yet they have outstanding research on the history of Mystery Babylon, Theosophy, Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, and/or Lucis Trust.

I knew all of this years before I even encountered the KJVO issue or Ruckman.


Here's Part 8 of a 77-Part series by The Fuel Project I saw 9 years ago on the Mysteries:

Wake up, folks. We are not ignorant of Satan's devices. Sometimes to know who has the truth, who have to know what lies are being created.

There goes your theories that Theosophy, the Ancient Mystery Religion, and the Luciferian New Age is all "KJVO and Ruckman talk".
These guys are 0% Ruckmanite and not KJVO. As is the Westcott & Hort issue. So now your red herrings don't work, time to update your tactics to include the new generation of aware Christians.
Before I watch it, does it include conspiracy theories? I fear I may become bored if there are no conspiracy theories to hold my interest.
 

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Since Ugg is such a big fan, defender and admirer of King James I, I wonder what he has to say about his ordering Edward Wightman to be burned at the stake in 1612.


"Condemned by King James I" Admittedly, Wightman was a heretic and was asking for trouble, but wasn't the penalty of being burned at the stake just a bit harsh?
 

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Ya, that doctorate from Pensacola is honorary. In other words not earned. The one from Clarksville (an online diploma mill) does not seem much better. The state of TN closed the school down and it relocated to NC. Every time the president changes the location of the school changes. If he didn't pretend to be a "Dr." it wouldn't be a big deal. However, if the first lie you tell is on the cover of your book there is probably little use in reading the rest.

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A little more about the Clarkesville School of Theology below. Only $960 and you too can be a self proclaimed Dr. You hear that UGC you wouldn't have to borrow your friend's degree anymore.

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Is this what being under a delusion looks like?

First, at least 6 Versions translate that word as "left". Not "deviate". Might want to adopt the KJVO just for this one lie of yours, it will help you this one time, then you can flip-flop back to the New Versions when they're convenient again, because they're obviously against you here.
Dozens and dozens of post later and you finally decide to try to deal with it?


Second, the Hebrew word does not mean "deviated", it means "withdrew" and in the context of the passage more accurately "departed / left" BECAUSE AFTER the Holy Spirit LEFT Saul, an Evil spirit came to torment him.
Withdraw does not equal abandonment. Not that is what it says. It isn't.

The Holy Spirit was not sitting there "deviating" (what, was he dancing in place?) while the evil spirit came upon Saul. He LEFT him and the evil spirit CAME UPON him, it was a SWAP. It's SIMPLE. Stop overcomplicating it with your theoretical BS.
I used a English definition. English complicates the issue. The rhetoric used in the passage is typical of Jewish thought. It simple gives hard details. You can mock all you want. Just keep believing what you WANT to believe.


God did NOT abandon Abraham and Abraham sinned just as bad or worse than Saul. The same could be said of King David. Or Jacob the Deceiver.

It is very obvious that you could care less about these facts. They don't fit your narrative so you refuse to talk about them.

Saul was a child of the King. He repeatedly sinned and God no longer fellowship with Saul. God tormented Saul because of His Sin.....

Yet let me remind you the words found in the NT. Words given to those after the Resurrection and gifting of the Spirit.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous:

Do you see that word GRIEVOUS? Does this narrative sound familiar to what happened to Saul?

Of course it does. It happens to ALL SONS....

If God only loved us when we were RIGHT.... we'd NEVER know the love of God.......................God committed his love toward us that will we are yet sinners............ Christ died for us.


I wish you'd abandon this nonsense. Its not getting you anywhere nor is it drawing you closer to God. Its separating you and it will hurt you and those around you.
 

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Since Ugg is such a big fan, defender and admirer of King James I, I wonder what he has to say about his ordering Edward Wightman to be burned at the stake in 1612.


"Condemned by King James I" Admittedly, Wightman was a heretic and was asking for trouble, but wasn't the penalty of being burned at the stake just a bit harsh?
There was a struggle in England for centuries between the authority of the Pope and the Authority claimed by the English Monarchy. They ALL killed whomever got in their way and NEITHER OF THEM were what they claimed they should be.

The King/Pope in England was no better than the Pope in Rome. Just evil men struggle for power. None of them cared who suffered for it.
 
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