Trump is now a political liability.

Tarheel Baptist said:
It’s my opinion based on evidence I see. When Trump is front and center the Liberals get political capital from the mushy center. Biden’s approval rating is up when Trump is the issue.
Show me evidence to the contrary.
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It's funny that Trump's own influence in the party negates your "opinion." I'm NO FAN of Trump, and I can admit that his influence is still greater than I like
 
aleshanee said:
if the comparisons of trumps accomplishments vrs what joe biden has mishandled and destroyed doesn;t help get them off the fence, then nothing trump himself says or stops saying will convince them......... . but they might find it easier to pick a side after next years tax audits... .some people don;t care about paying more for gas and some don;t even care paying more for groceries.... .. but it might be a whole other thing when the government sits them down in front of an armed IRS agent to nitpick purchases they made simply to scratch and survive.....
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I get it…I agree with everything you said, but whether we like it or not, words matter, especially to the younger generation of voters. Their brains are not programmed the same way as those older generations of voters.
 
Huk said:
I get it…I agree with everything you said, but whether we like it or not, words matter, especially to the younger generation of voters. Their brains are not programmed the same way as those older generations of voters.
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And that's why our country is in the shape it's in...Say the right things, but don't worry about doing the right things. It's so sad.
 
Starlifter said:
And that's why our country is in the shape it's in...Say the right things, but don't worry about doing the right things. It's so sad.
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Which generation do you believe isn't "doing the right thing," and which is "saying the right things?"
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
He needs to go away…at least in the short term.
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I think that doing (establishment RINOs) business as usual has been part of the problem in the political arena, and the Democratic playbook that has been used against Trump is here to stay, no matter who is running on the Red ticket. Case in point, look at this morning's news headliner where the Sheriff from Texas is more concerned that Desantis be prosecuted for bringing Venezuelans from Texas to Martha's Vineyard than he is having them murdered in the back of a smuggler's semi, or thousands crossing illegally every day. So as long as the policies of the Repub primary winner reflects a constitutional originalist mentality, protections of our religious liberties, border control, protection of life in the womb, (aka all of the things Trump did well to keep his word on) then I don't care if they are full of mean tweets or not.
 
Too many people try to make "mean tweets" an issue. Stupidity does abound when people continue to bring such trivial matters up on a regular basis. Most of us have no problem with Trumps "mean tweets." Most of us are grown up enough to disregard his mental teenage antics!
 
Starlifter said:
It's all about political correctness and not hurting anyone's feelings.
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it;s not just anyones feelings they care about protecting.... . it;s only politically correct if it doesn;t hurt the feelings of those on the left.... ....they don;t care in the least if they hurt your feelings or anyone elses feelings who is on the right..... ...in fact it;s very much politically correct in their minds to do exactly that.......
 
AverageJoe said:
It's funny that Trump's own influence in the party negates your "opinion." I'm NO FAN of Trump, and I can admit that his influence is still greater than I like
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My opinion is not that Trump has no influence among the base.
My opinion is that he is a liability among ‘undecided’ and independent voters in the general election.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I think that doing (establishment RINOs) business as usual has been part of the problem in the political arena, and the Democratic playbook that has been used against Trump is here to stay, no matter who is running on the Red ticket. Case in point, look at this morning's news headliner where the Sheriff from Texas is more concerned that Desantis be prosecuted for bringing Venezuelans from Texas to Martha's Vineyard than he is having them murdered in the back of a smuggler's semi, or thousands crossing illegally every day. So as long as the policies of the Repub primary winner reflects a constitutional originalist mentality, protections of our religious liberties, border control, protection of life in the womb, (aka all of the things Trump did well to keep his word on) then I don't care if they are full of mean tweets or not.
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I agree and am certainly no fan of the Republican establishment.
Trump is a prideful, arrogant, narcissistic and immoral man who‘s policies and backbone made him a much better president than any we’ve had in the past decade. I am not arguing that he is not hands down better than ANY Democrat. I’m not saying I would not vote for him.
I am saying that the Republicans, in this mid term election, would be much much better off if he was out of sight and out of mind. His narcissism simply will not allow him to do such.
 
FSSL said:
Dems are already trying to make Desantis worse than Trump. If Desantis runs, it won’t be long before some conservatives call him a distraction and liability.

We have to vote for the Republican candidate… Trump or Desantis
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You’re absolutely right, Democrats in congress and the media will smear ANY viable Republican.
Sadly, Trump often provides the manure with which they smear him.
His pride and narcissism just overwhelm him….Desantis doesn’t have that problem.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
I agree and am certainly no fan of the Republican establishment.
Trump is a prideful, arrogant, narcissistic and immoral man who‘s policies and backbone made him a much better president than any we’ve had in the past decade. I am not arguing that he is not hands down better than ANY Democrat. I’m not saying I would not vote for him.
I am saying that the Republicans, in this mid term election, would be much much better off if he was out of sight and out of mind. His narcissism simply will not allow him to do such.
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and what does that say about republicans when they think the former president who actually stood up to the democrats everybody said could not be questioned... and actually stopped a democrat machine everybody said had become unstoppable.... and showed people .. like de-santis... that the country really can work the way it;s supposed to again.... should now be put out of sight and out of mind?......
 
Huk said:
I get it…I agree with everything you said, but whether we like it or not, words matter, especially to the younger generation of voters. Their brains are not programmed the same way as those older generations of voters.
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no offense... but i am not that old... .. as a millenial i was right there with them in public school when their brains were being programmed.. .. taught leftist ideology by public school teachers who even back then had brow-beaten the majority of parents into believing their kids teachers could not be questioned... and that all the socialist indoctrination they were pushing was to be called "politically correct"......

think about that..... even to this day republicans still refer to the left wing garbage democrats spew as poltically "correct"..... the opposite of which... especially in the minds of young people... is politically incorrect.... aka - politically wrong.... aka- politically evil...... ..older generations took the whole poltical correctness thing as a joke.... but by playing along with the word games they actually helped the left wing "educators" .. (as they renamed themselves)... teach their impressionable children the political beliefs of their own parents was evil....

what is amazing is that at the same time this was happening american pastors of all faiths were preaching on the evils of communist china under mao tse tung where the government had taught children to hate ... suspicion... accuse ... and even report their own parents for political crimes... they even told stories about chinese children being handed knives and ordered to execute their own parents for being "counter revolutionaries" .....
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
His pride and narcissism just overwhelm him….Desantis doesn’t have that problem.
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He has always been that way. Nothing has changed. I do not see these things "overwhelming" him as much as I don't like it. He has thousands of people waiting in lines to get into rallies. I don't see how this is a liability, politically.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
I agree and am certainly no fan of the Republican establishment.
Trump is a prideful, arrogant, narcissistic and immoral man who‘s policies and backbone made him a much better president than any we’ve had in the past decade. I am not arguing that he is not hands down better than ANY Democrat. I’m not saying I would not vote for him.
I am saying that the Republicans, in this mid term election, would be much much better off if he was out of sight and out of mind. His narcissism simply will not allow him to do such.
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I think that every person on this thread and many more like us agree completely that sometimes he gets in the way of his own self, all because he's such a narcissistic egomaniac. I'm just not quite as convinced that there is a better contender to win the 2024 bid. I understand your arguments, I think, and concede that they may be persuasive especially on media outlets and with the people in the middle who are undecided and/or wishy washy enough to let personality traits be the predominant reason they vote. Ironically, when it comes to that sanitized and diplomatic image, it was Obama who was described as "presidential", which simply meant that he made for a good dog and pony show, but he had absolutely zero experience in national politics or international relations and that eventually showed when he got elected.
 
It would not be as difficult to vote for Trump if he claimed to be an atheist. With his association to Christianity, my liberal friends and neighbors turn a deaf ear to any hint of the gospel.
 
voicecrying said:
It would not be as difficult to vote for Trump if he claimed to be an atheist. With his association to Christianity, my liberal friends and neighbors turn a deaf ear to any hint of the gospel.
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I really do get what you're saying here, but anybody with any political common Sense knows that in the history of American politics the religion angle is played by every president. Some are just more convincing. Trump serves as a perfect example of how to have that conversation with them about hypocrisy.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
My opinion is not that Trump has no influence among the base.
My opinion is that he is a liability among ‘undecided’ and independent voters in the general election.
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I get
aleshanee said:
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and what does that say about republicans when they think the former president who actually stood up to the democrats everybody said could not be questioned... and actually stopped a democrat machine everybody said had become unstoppable.... and showed people .. like de-santis... that the country really can work the way it;s supposed to again.... should now be put out of sight and out of mind?......
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Apparently they weren't so "unstoppable." They impeached him twice in the House, and they're still after him.....Doesn't sound like they've been stopped. Maybe hindered would be a correct wording.
 
With all due respect, I disagree with several of you. Again, words do matter. The deck is already stacked against any Republican candidate due to the fact extreme liberal bias of the media. While I find Trump’s antics and Twitter tirades humorous, many younger voters do not. Approximately 1/3 of younger voters politically register as independents…we need those votes, or at least a nice split of them. Is there a double standard? Yes, but it is what it is.
 
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