Trump is now a political liability.

illinoisguy said:
If it is so self-evident that the November 8 elections were a great "victory" for Republicans, and that Trump deserves the credit for that, then how is it that such a preponderance of conservative Republican politicians, donors and journalists see the elections as a defeat and a disappointment for Republicans, and are blaming Trump? If prominent Republicans, on whom Trump depends for re-election, see him as a political liability, then he is one.

Supposedly Trump is the only Republican who can save America and appoint conservative judges. Then how is it that he is being repudiated by his own Vice President Mike Pence, his own former cabinet members like Mark Esper, William Barr, etc, his best friends like Chris Christie, etc? And now he is running again on a platform of putting up a missile shield and planting our beautiful flag on Mars, which raises the question, if all that is so easy, why didn't he take care of it during his first term?

Trump is done, folks. It's time to move on. And yes, he is too old for the 2024 election.
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I don’t think he’s going to actually run. I know he’s announced he is running, but two years is still a long time away. I think he’s staying relevant at this point in order to monopolize some power and retain influence. Just my two cents…
 
Huk said:
I was just responding to “substantive arguments” that you complained weren’t being offered.
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I knew that. 😊
It appears to me the substantive arguments go the other way. The proof of politics is in the vote count.
 
Huk said:
I don’t think he’s going to actually run. I know he’s announced he is running, but two years is still a long time away. I think he’s staying relevant at this point in order to monopolize some power and retain influence. Just my two cents…
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I hope you’re right but his ego won’t let him not run I’m afraid.
 
So it has finally come down to this - everyone is hoping that Trump is not serious about running, because if he is nominated, the Demon-crats win. If Trump is the last, best hope of mankind, why are so many respected big-name Republicans, including his own former Secretary of State, scrambling like crazy to try and stop him?




"Eric Levine, a New York-based donor who attended the weekend gathering, called on his party to embrace no more than two or three candidates — and to move with real urgency.
'I don’t think we have the luxury of waiting,' said Levine, who has raised millions of dollars for Republicans in recent years and began speaking out against Trump only after the midterms. 'If he becomes the Republican brand, the party is going to be destroyed.'. . .

"Speaking to reporters in Las Vegas, Cruz said Trump and his loyalists deserved some of the blame for the weaker-than-expected results in the midterms. 'I'm frustrated when my party fields candidates with no realistic chance of success,' Cruz said. . . . Pompeo, Trump's former secretary of state, who is among those positioning themselves to run, slapped at the former president repeatedly on stage this weekend without mentioning his name directly. Instead, Pompeo said conservatives deserve leaders 'who fight for them, not ourselves or our own egos.'"
 
I think that this forum which is ostensibly full of conservatives mirrors a larger demographic of American conservatives, schismatically divided over Trump, and the Democrats are leaping for joy because of the infighting. If you look at the mainstream media, a real friend of conservatives <ahem>, you see that strategy of amplifying the internal strife, typified by pieces like THIS ARTICLE. We need more of a Rodney King attitude 😉😁
 
Time will tell if I am mistaken about Trump being a political liability. If so, I will be back to admit that I was wrong. Perhaps I am being misled by statements such as these by Paul Ryan, Republican former Speaker of the House and 2012 Republican candidate for Vice President:

"The 'red wave' that was widely predicted this midterm season did not come to pass. Ryan put the blame directly on the former president. 'I personally think the evidence is really clear,' Ryan said in his first Sunday show interview since he left office in 2019. 'The biggest factor was the Trump factor … I think we would have won places like Arizona, places like Pennsylvania, New Hampshire had we had a typical, traditional conservative Republican, not a Trump Republican.'


"'With Trump, we lose,' he added. 'We lost the House in '18,' Ryan continued. 'We lost the presidency in '20. We lost the Senate in '20. And now in 2022 we should have and could have won the Senate. We didn't. And we have a much lower majority in the House because of that Trump factor.'. . . 'He can get his people through the primaries, but they can't win general elections,' Ryan said. 'We get past Trump, we start winning elections. We stick with Trump, we keep losing elections. That's just how I see it.' And if Trump is once again the GOP nominee for president? 'We [will] probably likely lose the White House,' Ryan said, adding that he thinks suburban voters don't like Trump or the candidates he endorses.


 
illinoisguy said:
Time will tell if I am mistaken about Trump being a political liability. If so, I will be back to admit that I was wrong. Perhaps I am being misled by statements such as these by Paul Ryan, Republican former Speaker of the House and 2012 Republican candidate for Vice President:

"The 'red wave' that was widely predicted this midterm season did not come to pass. Ryan put the blame directly on the former president. 'I personally think the evidence is really clear,' Ryan said in his first Sunday show interview since he left office in 2019. 'The biggest factor was the Trump factor … I think we would have won places like Arizona, places like Pennsylvania, New Hampshire had we had a typical, traditional conservative Republican, not a Trump Republican.'


"'With Trump, we lose,' he added. 'We lost the House in '18,' Ryan continued. 'We lost the presidency in '20. We lost the Senate in '20. And now in 2022 we should have and could have won the Senate. We didn't. And we have a much lower majority in the House because of that Trump factor.'. . . 'He can get his people through the primaries, but they can't win general elections,' Ryan said. 'We get past Trump, we start winning elections. We stick with Trump, we keep losing elections. That's just how I see it.' And if Trump is once again the GOP nominee for president? 'We [will] probably likely lose the White House,' Ryan said, adding that he thinks suburban voters don't like Trump or the candidates he endorses.


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Ryan has always been a thorn in Trump's side, before there were any losses in the house and senate or "insurrections", and he has fundraised for the likes of Trump-impeachment advocates Liz Cheney AND Adam Kinzinger. Not a surprise that he would attempt (as other Republican potential 2024 primary candidates like Pompeo, Christie, etc) to capitalize on the lamestream media's efforts to sow discord and split the ticket.
 
I remember the media saying it was going to be a red wave. I do know a lot of conservative commentators, who never predicted that.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Ryan has always been a thorn in Trump's side, before there were any losses in the house and senate or "insurrections", and he has fundraised for the likes of Trump-impeachment advocates Liz Cheney AND Adam Kinzinger. Not a surprise that he would attempt (as other Republican potential 2024 primary candidates like Pompeo, Christie, etc) to capitalize on the lamestream media's efforts to sow discord and split the ticket.
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The media certainly are no friends of Republicans except Liz Chaney. Trump is/has sown discord even before the election using Desanctimonious as his nickname for the Fla. gov.
Trump is his and the Republicans worst enemy in giving the media ammo with which to shoot the Republicans.
 
I like Desantis and would vote for him. However, as good as Desantis is in handling the media, he was and continues to be silent about the FBI raid on Trumps home.

Desantis has YET to show he is willing to tackle the deep state… even when citizens in his own state are subjects of an unjust raid.
 
illinoisguy said:
You all had better be careful what you say on this forum, or Trump will tell everybody that your name sounds Chinese!:cool:
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Lol, I'm really not all that political as it might seem, and I hadn't heard about that. No doubt that Trump is a fruit cake in many ways, but he's my fruitcake. 🤪
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
The media certainly are no friends of Republicans except Liz Chaney. Trump is/has sown discord even before the election using Desanctimonious as his nickname for the Fla. gov.
Trump is his and the Republicans worst enemy in giving the media ammo with which to shoot the Republicans.
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No argument on that. Rather than spilling a lot of ink I'll just say that I am a diehard loyal person, and he kept his word on many promises, unlike scores of politicians before him. And those promises that he kept, I believe he will resume in another stent at the helm, paired with all of his mean tweets, megalomania, boorishness, and threats of injecting bleach.
 
ALAYMAN said:
No argument on that. Rather than spilling a lot of ink I'll just say that I am a diehard loyal person, and he kept his word on many promises, unlike scores of politicians before him. And those promises that he kept, I believe he will resume in another stent at the helm, paired with all of his mean tweets, megalomania, boorishness, and threats of injecting bleach.
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I agree. I liked everything about him that you mentioned in this ^^post. I also agree that the uproar over his tweeting was overblown.But with him, there is an overblown uproar over everything he does…or doesn’t do for that matter. I voted for him twice…as the lesser of two evils.

The fact that I believe…I know that he’s a political liability doesn’t negate any of that for me. As of this moment I would vote for him again…if his opponent was Biden. But he IS a political negative and I hope that he does not get the nomination.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
I agree. I liked everything about him that you mentioned in this ^^post. I also agree that the uproar over his tweeting was overblown.But with him, there is an overblown uproar over everything he does…or doesn’t do for that matter. I voted for him twice…as the lesser of two evils.

The fact that I believe…I know that he’s a political liability doesn’t negate any of that for me. As of this moment I would vote for him again…if his opponent was Biden. But he IS a political negative and I hope that he does not get the nomination.
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If he doesn't get the nomination, his whiney behind will run third party/Independent, dividing the Republican vote. He's too much of a "look at me" person. Too involved and in love with himself.
 
AverageJoe said:
If he doesn't get the nomination, his whiney behind will run third party/Independent, dividing the Republican vote.
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That’s exactly what is going to happen. Desantis will win the nomination and Trump will run third party and a Democrat will get re-elected in 2024. I’m hoping Desantis will wait and run in 2028.
 
Let’s see how well this ages:

I don’t think Trump will run as independent. He is savvy enough to know it will divide too much. Besides, if he were to lose, he would just be buying himself more grief from the commies.
 
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