TULIP: The good, bad and ugly

[praise_yeshua]

I pray that God would continue to soften their hearts and impress upon the unbeliever their need for repentance and faith in Christ by orchestrating all of the events in their life to bring them to a point of realization of their need.  This brokenness may come through the realization of love or brokenness  I pray that God would allow a Christian the right opportunity with wisdom of words to show the unbeliever their need for Christ.

God must regenerate the unsaved so they can respond in faith.

Total absolute nonsense. Prove it.

It's called the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Conviction always comes before conversion. No conviction, no conversion.

Conviction = regeneration?

Nonsense. There have been many a person that has faced conviction and never been converted. The writer of Hebrews talked of this in Hebrews 6.

I noticed you didn't post any references from Scripture.... I wonder that is....  :

I'll never learn....... You weren't the intended target. Go back to your Open Theism.

I'm not an Open Theist.

I take you don't care to defend what you say. Typical Calvinist.

By the way. You quoted what I said. Why in the world you would say I'm not the intended target.....  is beyond anyone.

 

[FSSL]

I pray that God would continue to soften their hearts and impress upon the unbeliever their need for repentance and faith in Christ by orchestrating all of the events in their life to bring them to a point of realization of their need.  This brokenness may come through the realization of love or brokenness  I pray that God would allow a Christian the right opportunity with wisdom of words to show the unbeliever their need for Christ.

God must regenerate the unsaved so they can respond in faith.

Total absolute nonsense. Prove it.

Oh... just those peskt little passages that tell us we were dead and God made us alive.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I pray that God would continue to soften their hearts and impress upon the unbeliever their need for repentance and faith in Christ by orchestrating all of the events in their life to bring them to a point of realization of their need.  This brokenness may come through the realization of love or brokenness  I pray that God would allow a Christian the right opportunity with wisdom of words to show the unbeliever their need for Christ.

God must regenerate the unsaved so they can respond in faith.

Total absolute nonsense. Prove it.

Oh... just those peskt little passages that tell us we were dead and God made us alive.

Which ones? Just a few. If they are so many...... then you shouldn't have a problem posting a few.

They don't say.... what you think they say. They never do. Calvinists are always misrepresenting Scriptures.

You could start with your favorite one.... you know the one you think no one has an answer for!!!

 

[FSSL]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

 

[Bruh]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

I believe God made me alive when I was dead.  Does that make me a Calvinist? 

 

[subllibrm]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

I believe God made me alive when I was dead.  Does that make me a Calvinist?

I don't know. We will have to wait for PY to tell us what his Magic 8 Ball tells him about you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

So.... you weren't alive before God saved you. Do the dead speak? God didn't resurrect you from the dead to call on His name did He?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

I believe God made me alive when I was dead.  Does that make me a Calvinist?

I don't know. We will have to wait for PY to tell us what his Magic 8 Ball tells him about you.

He wasn't talking to me. You still "sore" from our last encounter?

 

[Bob H]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

I believe God made me alive when I was dead.  Does that make me a Calvinist?

No

 

[Ransom]

I don't know. We will have to wait for PY to tell us what his Magic 8 Ball tells him about you.

Well, that's easy. PY's Magic 8 Ball contains 20 variations on the answer, "You're an idiot."

 

[subllibrm]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

I believe God made me alive when I was dead.  Does that make me a Calvinist?

I don't know. We will have to wait for PY to tell us what his Magic 8 Ball tells him about you.

He wasn't talking to me. You still "sore" from our last encounter?

We had an encounter? Now I feel like I need a shower.

 

[FSSL]

So.... you weren't alive before God saved you. Do the dead speak? God didn't resurrect you from the dead to call on His name did He?

That's what the Bible says. I was dead in my treapasses.

You really should accept that truth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Ephesians 2.... But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

There you go... tell us how you don't believe God made us alive when we were dead.

I believe God made me alive when I was dead.  Does that make me a Calvinist?

I don't know. We will have to wait for PY to tell us what his Magic 8 Ball tells him about you.

He wasn't talking to me. You still "sore" from our last encounter?

We had an encounter? Now I feel like I need a shower.

Here. I'll help you.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/encounter

 

[praise_yeshua]

So.... you weren't alive before God saved you. Do the dead speak? God didn't resurrect you from the dead to call on His name did He?

That's what the Bible says. I was dead in my treapasses.

You really should accept that truth.

It depends on how you define death and what role it plays in the Gospel. You weren't dead in the fact you could not speak. You weren't buried in the ground. Responding to the Gospel isn't beyond those counted "dead in trespasses and sin". You want to blur the lines. A Calvinist always does.

 

[FSSL]

So.... you weren't alive before God saved you. Do the dead speak? God didn't resurrect you from the dead to call on His name did He?

That's what the Bible says. I was dead in my treapasses.

You really should accept that truth.

It depends on how you define death and what role it plays in the Gospel. You weren't dead in the fact you could not speak. You weren't buried in the ground. Responding to the Gospel isn't beyond those counted "dead in trespasses and sin". You want to blur the lines. A Calvinist always does.

Last time I checked the phrase "dead in transgressions," it meant he was dead... in sin. Dead men in sin do not make positive choices for God without new life.

That is why Paul explicitly said, "even when."

Redefine and spin the word "dead" all you want... it is never convincing

 

[praise_yeshua]

So.... you weren't alive before God saved you. Do the dead speak? God didn't resurrect you from the dead to call on His name did He?

That's what the Bible says. I was dead in my treapasses.

You really should accept that truth.

It depends on how you define death and what role it plays in the Gospel. You weren't dead in the fact you could not speak. You weren't buried in the ground. Responding to the Gospel isn't beyond those counted "dead in trespasses and sin". You want to blur the lines. A Calvinist always does.

Last time I checked the phrase "dead in transgressions," it meant he was dead... in sin. Dead men in sin do not make positive choices for God without new life.

That is why Paul explicitly said, "even when."

Redefine and spin the word "dead" all you want... it is never convincing

I'm not redefining or spinning anything.

I asked you very simple questions. Can you answer those questions?

Were you buried in the ground and God resurrected you from the grave to call upon Him?

You know the reference you provided is an analogy. Do you know what a analogy is?

Let me give you an example that will help you..... Colossians 2:12 begins with this....

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism....

Now literally, none of us were "buried with Christ" in the same tomb wherein Christ was buried. This is an analogy given that addresses our condition. The exact same takes place in Ephesians 2:1,5.

These "dead people" still have a voice. They still can hear,read, perceive, the Gospel of Christ. They can still call upon the name of the Lord. You're being dishonest with the analogy.

Now, were you literally dead, buried, in the ground and God literally resurrected your worm ridden body to call upon His name?

If you not, then stop BEING DISHONEST in how you address "dead in trespasses and sin".

 

[rsc2a]

"Let me lecture you on analogies then show that I have no idea what one actually is."

 

[praise_yeshua]

"Let me lecture you on analogies then show that I have no idea what one actually is."

By all means, correct me. You're just full of one liners. You always have been.

One liners are often a sign of a mocker.

 

[subllibrm]

"Let me lecture you on analogies then show that I have no idea what one actually is."

By all means, correct me. You're just full of one liners. You always have been.

One liners are often a sign of a mocker.

"You still sore?"

























For example?

 

[Recovering IFB]

One liners are often a sign of a mocker.

I see you learned a lot from Vince's sermon series, so, are you hopping mad?

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.