Verses Freebirds ignore or misunderstand when reading their Bibles.

[Tim]

If parents learned via a third party source that their grown daughter was in a porn film they would need to verify this. They would find the video and watch it. I would think God would allow the liberty to watch in this case. Some people might say she is in a porn film and be completely wrong. Watching the video will inform the parents. Some label certain things "porn" when it isn't even close.

Does it hurt to contort your mind like that?

And here I thought the rat was dancing.

So if you learned your daughter was making money filming adult films you would just take it at face value? No research? Parents learn every day that their adult daughters are doing drugs, alcoholics ... and some are filming porn. I pray my children grow to be good Christian men and women ... but if someone told me my son was doing drugs I wouldn't turn my eye.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Deep down I wonder if Jesus would approve of any FILM period ... even the so called "faith" ones.

They didn't have film in those days.  But they had other pre-film forms of entertainment, and I don't recall Jesus ever concerning himself about any of them.  I suspect it would be a total non-issue. 

 

[praise_yeshua]

Deep down I wonder if Jesus would approve of any FILM period ... even the so called "faith" ones.

They didn't have film in those days.  But they had other pre-film forms of entertainment, and I don't recall Jesus ever concerning himself about any of them.  I suspect it would be a total non-issue.

I tend to agree.

 

[Tim]

Deep down I wonder if Jesus would approve of any FILM period ... even the so called "faith" ones.

They didn't have film in those days.  But they had other pre-film forms of entertainment, and I don't recall Jesus ever concerning himself about any of them.  I suspect it would be a total non-issue.

But did he ever attend such entertainment as a man?

 

[praise_yeshua]

If parents learned via a third party source that their grown daughter was in a porn film they would need to verify this. They would find the video and watch it. I would think God would allow the liberty to watch in this case. Some people might say she is in a porn film and be completely wrong. Watching the video will inform the parents. Some label certain things "porn" when it isn't even close.

Does it hurt to contort your mind like that?

And here I thought the rat was dancing.

So if you learned your daughter was making money filming adult films you would just take it at face value? No research? Parents learn every day that their adult daughters are doing drugs, alcoholics ... and some are filming porn. I pray my children grow to be good Christian men and women ... but if someone told me my son was doing drugs I wouldn't turn my eye.

I wouldn't want to see the porn film by daughter might not or not be involved in. I can ask her what she did. Surely there is a better way to find out than to watch it.

Granted, I get your point. However, I don't think it contextly fits into the discussion at hand.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Deep down I wonder if Jesus would approve of any FILM period ... even the so called "faith" ones.

They didn't have film in those days.  But they had other pre-film forms of entertainment, and I don't recall Jesus ever concerning himself about any of them.  I suspect it would be a total non-issue.

But did he ever attend such entertainment as a man?

Who knows.

 

[subllibrm]

So if you learned your daughter was making money filming adult films you would just take it at face value? No research? Parents learn every day that their adult daughters are doing drugs, alcoholics ... and some are filming porn. I pray my children grow to be good Christian men and women ... but if someone told me my son was doing drugs I wouldn't turn my eye.

So how do you "research" your son's drug use? Go watch him shoot up? Ask for his meth recipe?

Give it up Tim. The ice gets thinner the more you spin.

 

[Tim]

So if you learned your daughter was making money filming adult films you would just take it at face value? No research? Parents learn every day that their adult daughters are doing drugs, alcoholics ... and some are filming porn. I pray my children grow to be good Christian men and women ... but if someone told me my son was doing drugs I wouldn't turn my eye.

So how do you "research" your son's drug use? Go watch him shoot up? Ask for his meth recipe?

Give it up Tim. The ice gets thinner the more you spin.

Everyone knows to help a addict you remove them from the environment that aids their habit. You need to learn who aids in the songs drug use, where does he get tempted, where does he go .... I am talking about hands on help beyond just placing him into a home or program.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Back to the spirit of the thread....





Isa 22:12  And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth:
Isa 22:13  And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Is 25:6  On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples
a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine,
of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Is 25:6    On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples
a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine,
of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

Wrong thread.

By the way, after all your belly-aching for "specifics" did you miss this...

Some of the Freebirds, in an attempt at misdirection, have insisted that I be more specific (they first asked for examples of Freebirdism, and when supplied, moved the goalposts by asking for "specifics").  So here is a short summary of my original claim, but amplified with "specifics" (some of which have been reinforced in just the last couple of days right here in this thread and on the FFF).

Flaunting booze:  FSSL's somewhat tongue in cheek thread about posting a pic of your favorite libation.  Though the Freebirds will play it off, it is an effort at taunting those who would hold to a more sober <hehe> effort at not placing undue temptation in front of those who have came out of a life of alcoholism. 

Gambling: Many discussions in the past have tried to equate gambling with playing the stock market, but there are categorical differences in these two practices, one where goods and value is produced (stocks) and one that preys on the misery of the poor and addicted.


Pot smoking:  Numerous FFFers have advocated not for only medical marijuana, but also recreational.  This stems from an obvious libertarian bias inherent to a younger generation (now even trickling up and affecting older folk though).

House-churches: Taken in the right context, not a freebird issue, but when it is claimed that the traditional model is essentially entirely corrupt and that house-churches are the only way, a true sign of freebird radical autonomy that won't submit to authority (of godly men, nor scripture)

Woman preachers/egalitarianism: Historically on the FFF this sentiment has come from mostly non-baptists, including one who is currently contemplating studying to go into the pastorate.

Torture porn: See Patebald (for those who have been on previous iterations of the FFF)

Porn: The rodent, saying it's okay, given the right context.

These are just examples from the FFF.  My OP was not intended to limit the critique of Freebirdism to merely incidents of those that have appeared on this forum, but rather the entirety of the Christian Freebird experience.

Let the heathens rage.

 

[Bo]

this thread is actually good to me!

I enjoy this one......still confused on the support of porn...?????

I just caint see under any circumstances watching porn being appropriate

 

[ALAYMAN]

Ain't it funny that the disingenuous mockers who called for "specifics", when they were given those specifics,  just disappeared faster than cockroaches do when the lights are turned on?


<crickets>

 

[Bo]

yes it is

 

[PappaBear]

Nice thread.  Unfortunately, don't have time to wade through all of it.  But here is my offering:

Titus 2:
11  For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12  Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

For all their talk of grace, isn't it amazing how they ignore what the Bible states uncategorically that grace teaches?  What, pray tell, does the salvation they speak of save them from?

*Hat tip </)

 

[Recovering IFB]

Is 25:6    On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples
a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine,
of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

Wrong thread.

By the way, after all your belly-aching for "specifics" did you miss this...

Some of the Freebirds, in an attempt at misdirection, have insisted that I be more specific (they first asked for examples of Freebirdism, and when supplied, moved the goalposts by asking for "specifics").  So here is a short summary of my original claim, but amplified with "specifics" (some of which have been reinforced in just the last couple of days right here in this thread and on the FFF).

Flaunting booze:  FSSL's somewhat tongue in cheek thread about posting a pic of your favorite libation.  Though the Freebirds will play it off, it is an effort at taunting those who would hold to a more sober <hehe> effort at not placing undue temptation in front of those who have came out of a life of alcoholism. 

Gambling: Many discussions in the past have tried to equate gambling with playing the stock market, but there are categorical differences in these two practices, one where goods and value is produced (stocks) and one that preys on the misery of the poor and addicted.


Pot smoking:  Numerous FFFers have advocated not for only medical marijuana, but also recreational.  This stems from an obvious libertarian bias inherent to a younger generation (now even trickling up and affecting older folk though).

House-churches: Taken in the right context, not a freebird issue, but when it is claimed that the traditional model is essentially entirely corrupt and that house-churches are the only way, a true sign of freebird radical autonomy that won't submit to authority (of godly men, nor scripture)

Woman preachers/egalitarianism: Historically on the FFF this sentiment has come from mostly non-baptists, including one who is currently contemplating studying to go into the pastorate.

Torture porn: See Patebald (for those who have been on previous iterations of the FFF)

Porn: The rodent, saying it's okay, given the right context.

These are just examples from the FFF.  My OP was not intended to limit the critique of Freebirdism to merely incidents of those that have appeared on this forum, but rather the entirety of the Christian Freebird experience.

Let the heathens rage.

Don't care,
You have always been on here acting like a spoiled child demanding that fellow believers to stop flaunting their liberty. You know what? Paul also wrote don't judge them that do participate in their liberty..
Came out of a life of alcoholism? Too bad!! Many millions of people have and have moved on in life. People who are not even believers and are not looking to stop anybody for participating.  Again acting like a little girl that you tend to do on here, you demand that everybody  stop it all together! Waaaahhhh!!!
You list your other instances of freedoms of which you bitch and complain  about others doing,  gambling, pot smoking, too bad!! What do you care?? Especially with marijuana if it could help somebody actually keep food down while going through chemotherapy. What? They might get a little buzz in the process?? Oh no !! Try not taking any pain mess during your next surgical procedure tough guy and let's see how long you hang...
By the way; God made the plant and called it good,....

 

[ALAYMAN]

Don't care,
You have always been on here acting like a spoiled child demanding that fellow believers to stop flaunting their liberty. You know what? Paul also wrote don't judge them that do participate in their liberty..
Came out of a life of alcoholism? Too bad!! Many millions of people have and have moved on in life. People who are not even believers and are not looking to stop anybody for participating.  Again acting like a little girl that you tend to do on here, you demand that everybody  stop it all together! Waaaahhhh!!!
You list your other instances of freedoms of which you bitch and complain  about others doing,  gambling, pot smoking, too bad!! What do you care?? Especially with marijuana if it could help somebody actually keep food down while going through chemotherapy. What? They might get a little buzz in the process?? Oh no !! Try not taking any pain mess during your next surgical procedure tough guy and let's see how long you hang...
By the way; God made the plant and called it good,....

lol, seriously?  That's your response after I relent to your incessant whining for "specifics"?  Ad hominem and pitifully articulated incoherent ramblings that don't come to close addressing nearly anything I wrote? 

Why should I even waste my time with that sort of answer?  Just for one example, I "specifically" had said that pot smoking advocates aren't just content with saying it should be used for medical marijuana, but they want it for recreational use as well, and then right on cue you address that lone issue in such a caricature and misrepresentation of anything I've ever said that it's just shameful for even a Freebird. 

It's just like I said early on in the thread, there's no real desire for dialogue and mutually respectful discussion.  I said that you (and others) just want to mock those who hold to differing positions than you, and the post you just made could not be any stronger proof of that.

 

[subllibrm]

G'morning everyone. It is great to be FREE!!!!!! 

 

[Recovering IFB]

It's just like I said early on in the thread, there's no real desire for dialogue and mutually respectful discussion.

Are you friggin' serious???  A "mutual respectful discussion "???? Chris, you are one of the most obnoxious people on this forum, is this what you mean when you disagree with Rsc???  "Mutually respectful "?? Constantly name calling?? Obtuse??? Go back over your conversations you have had and show where you  were  mutually respectful with RSC

  I said that you (and others) just want to mock those who hold to differing positions than you, and the post you just made could not be any stronger proof of that.

I will mock when you force others to live to a standard which isn't  biblical. (Insert random Luther insult here)
Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 ?Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!?? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

 

[subllibrm]

<snip> but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

If anything they perpetually put the emphasis on the sensual. We are to walk in the Spirit not in the flesh yet we are preoccupied with fleshly things, whether it be for them or against them, they still demand our attention and we are all prone to give in to what we think about.

This is the reason we are to have the mind of Christ. We will never be holy except to be fully surrendered to Him. On this point we all fail in some way, whether fundy or freebird.