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What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?
Tom Brennan said:Signs a Pastor is Turning Legalistic...
...if he won't let you do anything you want at any time in any place in any way, and if he in any way reproves, rebukes, or scolds you about your behavior or lack of behavior - why then, clearly, he is a legalist. Everybody knows his job is just to help people accomplish whatever their life goals are, and to be interesting when he discusses the Bible in a carefully generic, specific absent way.
Yep. I think that about covers it for this generation.
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ALAYMAN said:Tim, you seem to be the one who is constantly adrift. Are you sure that it isn't you that is changing? Even if he is moving to a different persepective than what he once had, do you abandon your wife or children when they go through rough patches and changes?
Tim said:What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?
Tim said:ALAYMAN said:Tim, you seem to be the one who is constantly adrift. Are you sure that it isn't you that is changing? Even if he is moving to a different persepective than what he once had, do you abandon your wife or children when they go through rough patches and changes?
Well, when a pastor says he isn't concerned about tithing and then changes and says those who don't tithe are robbing God ... you tell me who changed?
Though ... I erased my opening thread and will back off the personal aspect of my question ....
Mathew Ward said:Tim said:What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?
When the focus is on the outward and not the heart.
When the focus is on what you do for Christ and not who you are in Christ.
When the focus is on looking at others and not at yourself.
ALAYMAN said:Tim said:ALAYMAN said:Tim, you seem to be the one who is constantly adrift. Are you sure that it isn't you that is changing? Even if he is moving to a different persepective than what he once had, do you abandon your wife or children when they go through rough patches and changes?
Well, when a pastor says he isn't concerned about tithing and then changes and says those who don't tithe are robbing God ... you tell me who changed?
Though ... I erased my opening thread and will back off the personal aspect of my question ....
Leaving a church ought to be serious business, not to be done on a whim. No church will have everything in total agreement with you (or any and every other member). I agree that ultimately a person might choose to leave a church if the grace of God is dwarfed by legalistic/moralistic teaching, but if the pastor is a humble servant then he may be approachable, and if done so in the right spirit, iron might sharpen iron.
christundivided said:Mathew Ward said:Tim said:What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?
When the focus is on the outward and not the heart.
When the focus is on what you do for Christ and not who you are in Christ.
When the focus is on looking at others and not at yourself.
Ever heard the term "multi-tasking". Certainly one should come before the other..... but there is nothing wrong with ANY of them. I've found that most people who like to "trumpet" such things.... often are themselves.... lacking in the faith.
Tim said:What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?
BALAAM said:Tim said:What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?
To me this is one of those questions that can mean something different to a lot of different people. When a bunch of different people from different church backgrounds talk about legalism there will be a bunch of different definitions of the word. Much like the word 'Calvinism'. There are a ton of different definitions for that word.
Explain your definition of legalism.
I disagree. Now, I generally agree with the thought that guilt is not the way to pastor, especially to push your own agenda, butbgwilkinson said:If the pastor preaches "you are not right with God if____________________," and he fills in the blank with
anything other than "you're not a born again Christian".
Pastoring by guilting the congregation, the body of Christ.
He adds works to salvation. Nothing more nothing lessTim said:What are the signs a pastor is turning legalistic?