What your "pastor" is lying to you about!

[praise_yeshua]

The more things change. The more they stay the same.

This past weekend, I was flipping through the Sunday morning "preaching" shows and ran across a new "relevant" church service. I decided to stop and listen for a little while. I really couldn't believe what I was hearing.....

It was really "fundamentalism" in jeans and wild hair....

So... with that in mind.... with the title of the thread in mind....

1. Tithing. You pastor is lying to you about tithing. Some need the money. Well they don't "need" the money. They just want it. Others think they get blessed because they give the tithe. In fact, this show had a guy on it with some book titled.... "Give to get". That's fundamentalism in a "nut shell".

2. Accountability. Your pastor isn't going to stand for you at judgment. He's not going to be called as a witness or be able to provide a defense for wholeheartedly accepting what he says without question. When they tell you they "stand in the gap"..... Just remember... Jesus is really one doing that for you.

I'll add a few  more when I get the time....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

The more things change. The more they stay the same.

This past weekend, I was flipping through the Sunday morning "preaching" shows and ran across a new "relevant" church service. I decided to stop and listen for a little while. I really couldn't believe what I was hearing.....

It was really "fundamentalism" in jeans and wild hair....

So... with that in mind.... with the title of the thread in mind....

1. Tithing. You pastor is lying to you about tithing. Some need the money. Well they don't "need" the money. They just want it. Others think they get blessed because they give the tithe. In fact, this show had a guy on it with some book titled.... "Give to get". That's fundamentalism in a "nut shell".

2. Accountability. Your pastor isn't going to stand for you at judgment. He's not going to be called as a witness or be able to provide a defense for wholeheartedly accepting what he says without question. When they tell you they "stand in the gap"..... Just remember... Jesus is really one doing that for you.

I'll add a few  more when I get the time....

I agree with you. In our small group recently, I remarked how I am amazed how Evangelicalism is marching right back to the Fundamentalist roots it sought to evacuate. Surprisingly, others agreed with me.

 

[ALAYMAN]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

 

[Tim]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Here we go with another "tithing" thread. Give 10% and be blessed. Give 20% and be healed. Put God to the test. This is the one place God says "test me" ....

 

[praise_yeshua]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Yeah.... those that have little to nothing...... should reach for their wallet to prove their faith to Adrian Rogers.... I get it!!

A faith that's reached the heart of God doesn't have to worry what Adrian Rogers has to say about it. Its joy is in God alone. Not in how "sweet" an "saying" it can produce.

 

[praise_yeshua]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Here we go with another "tithing" thread. Give 10% and be blessed. Give 20% and be healed. Put God to the test. This is the one place God says "test me" ....

I heard that from this "new fundamentalist" in jeans and a tatoo preaching.

Tell me Timothy.... Why do you think God would say "test me" in the verse? The Old Greek text says no such thing.

Are you in the mood to "test God"?

Either way..... What did Gideon do with the "fleece"?

 

[Tim]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Here we go with another "tithing" thread. Give 10% and be blessed. Give 20% and be healed. Put God to the test. This is the one place God says "test me" ....

I heard that from this "new fundamentalist" in jeans and a tatoo preaching.

Tell me Timothy.... Why do you think God would say "test me" in the verse? The Old Greek text says no such thing.

Are you in the mood to "test God"?

Either way..... What did Gideon do with the "fleece"?

I test God daily. I test his better judgment to kick my butt into hell. But. For some reason grace wins.

 

[ALAYMAN]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Yeah.... those that have little to nothing...... should reach for their wallet to prove their faith to Adrian Rogers.... I get it!!

A faith that's reached the heart of God doesn't have to worry what Adrian Rogers has to say about it. Its joy is in God alone. Not in how "sweet" an "saying" it can produce.

The widows mite was everything she had.

 

[Tim]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Yeah.... those that have little to nothing...... should reach for their wallet to prove their faith to Adrian Rogers.... I get it!!

A faith that's reached the heart of God doesn't have to worry what Adrian Rogers has to say about it. Its joy is in God alone. Not in how "sweet" an "saying" it can produce.

The widows mite was everything she had.

She was pressured to give.

Which devour widows' houses
Mark 12:40

 

[ALAYMAN]

She was pressured to give.

Which devour widows' houses
Mark 12:40

Only if (dwron)  means something other than (voluntary) "offering". 8)

 

[praise_yeshua]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Yeah.... those that have little to nothing...... should reach for their wallet to prove their faith to Adrian Rogers.... I get it!!

A faith that's reached the heart of God doesn't have to worry what Adrian Rogers has to say about it. Its joy is in God alone. Not in how "sweet" an "saying" it can produce.

The widows mite was everything she had.

She cast in two mites. Get it right.

The widow was at the storehouse. The storehouse is gone. Your pastor is lying to you when he tells you the "storehouse" is his offering plate.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[size=12pt]"ya don't get lard less'n you boil the hog!.... "......... john wayne..... the alamo....



i didn;t know what that meant the first time i heard it....  ??? .... but now... being a wild pig hunter....i do...  8) ..... however.... i never did hear it used by a preacher in a sermon.... only by an actor in a movie..... . who probably had no idea just how a big the task he was describing really is......

the more i read quips from sermons and various books or commentaries posted here ... the more i get the impression a lot of the comparisons and catchy sayings preachers like to use are like that......  they think it fits so they say it..... without having any idea of what they are talking about......  :-\

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For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

]The widow was at the storehouse. The storehouse is gone. Your pastor is lying to you when he tells you the "storehouse" is his offering plate.

I don't believe that the tithe is a law/commandment for today, but I also know that many people just want to keep their money in their pockets and are selfish.  It's more blessed to give than receive.

As to your OP, there is lots of abuse of Scripture in Christianity and churches throughout the land.  Railing against the abuses doesn't change the truth that God loves a cheerful giver, and that statistics always show that by and large, evangelicals aren't happily giving.

 

[praise_yeshua]

"A faith that hasn't reached your wallet, probably hasn't reached your heart.? -- Adrian Rogers


Man that guy could really shuck the corn.

Yeah.... those that have little to nothing...... should reach for their wallet to prove their faith to Adrian Rogers.... I get it!!

A faith that's reached the heart of God doesn't have to worry what Adrian Rogers has to say about it. Its joy is in God alone. Not in how "sweet" an "saying" it can produce.

The widows mite was everything she had.

She was pressured to give.

Which devour widows' houses
Mark 12:40

Jesus just witnessed the fact that she gave more than all the rich men casting in their gifts. He didn't say she should have done it.

Jesus even witnessed to the destruction of the storehouse....

Luk 21:6  As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

They ignore that part of the verses about the widow. There is no storehouse left to bring the tithe.....

 

[praise_yeshua]

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

I agree completely. Your treasure is down at your local church. That is where you heart is....

I don't believe that the tithe is a law/commandment for today, but I also know that many people just want to keep their money in their pockets and are selfish.  It's more blessed to give than receive.

True. I agree. I don't like giving to the wrong place too....

As to your OP, there is lots of abuse of Scripture in Christianity and churches throughout the land.  Railing against the abuses doesn't change the truth that God loves a cheerful giver, and that statistics always show that by and large, evangelicals aren't happily giving.

Some are just tired of giving to people that abuse it and still claim God likes it when they do.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Some are just tired of giving to people that abuse it and still claim God likes it when they do.

Simple, find a good church that fulfills God's will for your life, one where the money is not being taken for abusive purposes then, and one where the gospel is being financed as a central tenet of the operation of the ekklesia.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Some are just tired of giving to people that abuse it and still claim God likes it when they do.

Simple, find a good church that fulfills God's will for your life, one where the money is not being taken for abusive purposes then, and one where the gospel is being financed as a central tenet of the operation of the ekklesia.

There are so many to go around.

 

[HeDied4U]

The more things change. The more they stay the same.

This past weekend, I was flipping through the Sunday morning "preaching" shows and ran across a new "relevant" church service. I decided to stop and listen for a little while. I really couldn't believe what I was hearing.....

It was really "fundamentalism" in jeans and wild hair....

So... with that in mind.... with the title of the thread in mind....

1. Tithing. You pastor is lying to you about tithing. Some need the money. Well they don't "need" the money. They just want it. Others think they get blessed because they give the tithe. In fact, this show had a guy on it with some book titled.... "Give to get". That's fundamentalism in a "nut shell".

2. Accountability. Your pastor isn't going to stand for you at judgment. He's not going to be called as a witness or be able to provide a defense for wholeheartedly accepting what he says without question. When they tell you they "stand in the gap"..... Just remember... Jesus is really one doing that for you.

I'll add a few  more when I get the time....

I thought that line of thinking was more from the "name it and claim it" / word of faith crowd. Didn't know fundamentalism had that problem too.

 

[Ransom]

What's with the scare quotes around "pastor" in the thread title? Are you asserting that some pastor is not a duly appointed officer of an organized church? How would you go about demonstrating this?

 

[ALAYMAN]

true... but i don;t believe Jesus was only talking about money when He said that..... or that He was even talking about money at all... .. .. ....

What a person values is what they invest in and pursue.  If God is valuable, then His kingdom is valuable.  The verse isn't explicitly talking about money, but in so far as money is a tool to serve God with via stewardship our spending reflects our priorities.  As I said, I don't defend the tithe as being in force for today's Christian, but the concept of giving most certainly is a significant message of the NT.  Giving occurs in many ways, with time, talent, and finances.  All the areas of our lives should be yielded to His service, including our money.  Unfortunately, all too often, Christians (myself included) demonstrate an attitude of "my will be done, not thine".

 

[praise_yeshua]

What's with the scare quotes around "pastor" in the thread title? Are you asserting that some pastor is not a duly appointed officer of an organized church? How would you go about demonstrating this?

Timothy and Titus haven't been seen appointing "pastors" in centuries. The Bible only mentions them as having the right to make such appointments.

I see no reason to think they would approve of those in such an "office" as we have today. Which brings me to #3....