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Who Are the 144,000 in Revelation?
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Who are the 144,000? Is 144,000 a limit to the number of people God will allow into the New Heaven? Are the 144,000 (144.000) end times witnesses for Christ?
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As soon as he said, "symbolic" I tuned out.
Who are the 144,000? | GotQuestions.org
Who are the 144,000? Is 144,000 a limit to the number of people God will allow into the New Heaven? Are the 144,000 (144.000) end times witnesses for Christ?www.gotquestions.org
Nothing in the passage leads to interpreting the 144,000 as anything but a literal number of Jews—12,000 taken from every tribe of the children of Israel...
Except Dan.
Why is the tribe of Dan missing from the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7? | GotQuestions.org
Why is the tribe of Dan missing from the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7? What happened to the tribe of Dan that resulted in it not being included in the 144,000?
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So, not ALL Israel is saved?Why is the tribe of Dan missing from the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7? | GotQuestions.org
Why is the tribe of Dan missing from the 144,000 in Revelation chapter 7? What happened to the tribe of Dan that resulted in it not being included in the 144,000?www.gotquestions.org
Replacement theology is okay as long as it's all in the family, so to speak?But the half-tribe of Ephraim is also excluded from the list, which is significant, since the half-tribe of Manassah is not. If Joseph replaces Dan, it could only be Ephraim half. Why not just say Ephraim?
The 144,000 are still not literally from all the tribes of Israel.
And it's not literally 12,000 from each tribe. 24,000 are taken from literal Joseph.
If you hadn't tuned out so soon, you may have heard a better explanation.
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"Nothing in the passage leads to interpreting the 144,000 as anything but a literal number of Jews"
Except for the fact that it's written in Revelation, where pretty much everything else is symbolic. That's the nature of apocalyptic literature.
"It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins" (Rev. 14:4). So, only men?
Is that a problem for you?
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Not necessarily. In your opinion, what is the significance of that?
God can appoint who He wants to do whatever He wants. He didn't ask my permission.
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So, really, you've just got no interest in interpreting it.
In matters such as this, when the simple interpretation fits I don't look for another. If I'm wrong on this, so what?
Whether I agree or not, I always find it interesting and fruitful to examine and understand viewpoints other than my own.
I have no desire to return to the IFB "Circle your Wagons" mindset.
This is just me though.
This hermeneutic approach has been modeled to me since my earliest days of discipleship in SBC/IFB circles. Typically, when this model was not followed, it was because there was an agenda was at play. (Think the J.T. Chick interpretation of the great whore of Babylon)
Since I began my involvement with Calvary Chapel in the early 2000s, has this hermeneutic approach been not just modeled but actually taught. Given my history, it was natural that I gravitated towards it.
I could write an entire treatise as to why I believe the simple approach/interpretation is often the best hermeneutic but my attention span would never allow such a thing.
But the 'simple' approach doesn't fit, for reasons already stated.
Welcome to Calvinism, btw.
Hate to burst your bubble but adherence to your brand of Calvinism is not a prerequisite for believing in God's sovereignty.Welcome to Calvinism, btw.