Whose Fault? Husband or Church?

[sword]

Otherwise the pastor would never be paid any more than the least paid church member...

I believe I met that search committee at a church I candidated at once.

How can someone with a job be so poor they cannot afford life insurance. You can get $250,000 term coverage for $24 a month. That's $0.80 a day.

How can so many Christians be so poor; do they work overtime, a second job, side jobs? Does their wife work? Are they going to school to improve themselves or learning new skills? I am so sick of the philosophy that fundamental baptist are poor and that's the way it is.

In these churches where people cannot afford 80 cents a day to care for their love ones what kind of jobs do they have? What kind of education and training?

 

[Tim]

Otherwise the pastor would never be paid any more than the least paid church member...

I believe I met that search committee at a church I candidated at once.

How can someone with a job be so poor they cannot afford life insurance. You can get $250,000 term coverage for $24 a month. That's $0.80 a day.

How can so many Christians be so poor; do they work overtime, a second job, side jobs? Does their wife work? Are they going to school to improve themselves or learning new skills? I am so sick of the philosophy that fundamental baptist are poor and that's the way it is.

In these churches where people cannot afford 80 cents a day to care for their love ones what kind of jobs do they have? What kind of education and training?

You make it all sound too easy.

 

[Bruh]

I'm thankful my wife has always been able to stay home and we have life insurance on the both of us.

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

 

[Twisted]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.

Now, if you had said "what they need".

 

[Bruh]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.

Now, if you had said "what they need".

No I said it right!

 

[subllibrm]

Otherwise the pastor would never be paid any more than the least paid church member...

I believe I met that search committee at a church I candidated at once.

I now it shouldn't have but that made me laugh.  :-\

 

[subllibrm]

Otherwise the pastor would never be paid any more than the least paid church member...

I believe I met that search committee at a church I candidated at once.

How can someone with a job be so poor they cannot afford life insurance. You can get $250,000 term coverage for $24 a month. That's $0.80 a day.

How can so many Christians be so poor; do they work overtime, a second job, side jobs? Does their wife work? Are they going to school to improve themselves or learning new skills? I am so sick of the philosophy that fundamental baptist are poor and that's the way it is.

In these churches where people cannot afford 80 cents a day to care for their love ones what kind of jobs do they have? What kind of education and training?

You make it all sound too easy.

Not easy, possible. Big difference. Most rich people are rich because they made hard choices.

Remember, when people talk about making ends meet, most of those ends were chosen by the person trying to make them meet.

 

[subllibrm]

This reminds me of a conversation between several pastor years ago. One of them had 120 acres along both sides a quiet river in mid Michigan. On that land he had built onto an existing outbuilding and turned it into a very nice lodge/cabin.

Once he was hosting a retreat of pastors from around the state. As they pulled in one by one in their Oldsmobile, Buick and Lincoln sedans they would do a quick survey and say "wow I wish I could afford something like this" to which he would reply, while leaning against his 18 year old Ford Ranger, "you are driving yours".

Today he has  gone home to heaven and his wife still lives in that cabin. All paid for and enough laid aside to pay the bills and taxes until she passes on.

Biggest church he pastored had about 200 people (that also was his shortest stop, less than 5 years). The other congregations were all 100 folk or less.

 

[Twisted]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.

Now, if you had said "what they need".

No I said it right!

I believe you!  I'm gonna get out of here and get to the Ford dealer!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I know of more than a couple of Pastors who earn an adequate living but they simply don't or don't know how to manage their money well.

 

[subllibrm]

I know of more than a couple of Pastors who earn an adequate living but they simply don't or don't know how to manage their money well.

'taint just pastors. This one area where we could learn from our reformed brethren. That protestant work ethic is more than just getting up and going to work. It is a whole mindset about money as a tool.

A good friend shared with me that a Dutchman (that is the stripe of reformed we have here) never has buyer's remorse. They do all of the emotional work before they ever buy anything. And most of the time they just talk themselves out of buying it in the first place. 

 

[Bruh]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.

Now, if you had said "what they need".

No I said it right!

I believe you!  I'm gonna get out of here and get to the Ford dealer!

In other words, they can't pay their rent but pay their iPhone instead.

They can't afford life insurance but eat out 2 to 3 times a week.

 

[sword]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.
Now, if you had said "what they need".

That will preach right there.
No I said it right!

I believe you!  I'm gonna get out of here and get to the Ford dealer!

In other words, they can't pay their rent and have an iPhone.

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."

After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely missed church or soul winning with that schedule.

He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you before 9 am and after 5.

 

[subllibrm]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.
Now, if you had said "what they need".

That will preach right there.
No I said it right!

I believe you!  I'm gonna get out of here and get to the Ford dealer!

In other words, they can't pay their rent and have an iPhone.

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."

After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely missed church or soul winning with that schedule.

He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you before 9 am and after 5.

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in?  ???

 

[Twisted]

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in? 

Well, he needed all that money to buy their compliance.

 

[sword]

I'm a firm believer in, people have money for what they want.

Not true.  There are a TON of things I want but can't afford.  2016 Ford F-150 comes to mind.
Now, if you had said "what they need".

That will preach right there.
No I said it right!

I believe you!  I'm gonna get out of here and get to the Ford dealer!

In other words, they can't pay their rent and have an iPhone.

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."

After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely missed church or soul winning with that schedule.
He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you before 9 am and after 5.

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in?  ???

Regarding his wife and kids, I assume that's what he meant when he said family responsibilities. He made it clear he did not work more because he had other priorities. It's my understanding the girls were very involved in the business until they went off to college so they worked with him often.

Point is most successful people don't work 40 hrs a week. The poor people I know generally work 30 to 40 hrs a week or less and spend way more than they make, often on thing they do not need. Many also have limited training and no advanced education so they do not qualify for jobs that pay better. I know there are many reasons for poverty I'm just pointing out a couple. Poverty is sometimes a result of major health problems or physical or mental disability within the family and these circumstances are rarely the fault of the people involved. I completely support disabled S.S. and other programs for those that truly are disabled & can not care for themselves. I am in complete disagreement on programs that take hard earned money from my pay check and give it to able bodied people and require no work in return.   

 

[Bob H]

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."

After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely missed church or soul winning with that schedule.

He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you before 9 am and after 5.

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in?  ???

???


He didn't write the LIFE STORY of this dude Anderson. There's no need to imply that he was a bad hubby & dad.

 

[subllibrm]

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."

After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely missed church or soul winning with that schedule.

He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you before 9 am and after 5.

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in?  ???

???


He didn't write the LIFE STORY of this dude Anderson. There's no need to imply that he was a bad hubby & dad.

Since I have no idea who the guy is then I can only go by the context of the post and the  theme of the thread. So what I read was "I worked a boat load of hours and still found time to do church stuff" . 

 

[Bob H]

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."

After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely missed church or soul winning with that schedule.

He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you before 9 am and after 5.

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in?  ???

???


He didn't write the LIFE STORY of this dude Anderson. There's no need to imply that he was a bad hubby & dad.

Since I have no idea who the guy is then I can only go by the context of the post and the  theme of the thread. So what I read was "I worked a boat load of hours and still found time to do church stuff" .

I have no clue who he is either.

 

[sword]

At pastor's school on year I heard Russ Anderson say
"most pastors don't believe in luck, but I disagree, I have found the more hrs. I work the luckier I get."
After the session, I asked him how many hrs a week he worked. He said when he was young (30's & 40's) he worked 70 to 80 hrs a week sometimes a little more. He said with family and church responsibilities that's about all he could manage. He said when he got older he cut back to a 70 hr average or so. He also claimed to rarely miss church or soul winning with that schedule.
He also made the statement that "you work 9 to 5 to pay your bill, but true success is a result of the work you do before 9 am and after 5.

Nothing about fitting the wife and kids in?  ???

???
He didn't write the LIFE STORY of this dude Anderson. There's no need to imply that he was a bad hubby & dad.

Since I have no idea who the guy is then I can only go by the context of the post and the  theme of the thread. So what I read was "I worked a boat load of hours and still found time to do church stuff" .

My point was you can work more than 40 hrs. a week and still have time for church & family.
In the context of the post he said he did not work more because of church and family responsibilities. For most of us that would imply church & family were still the priority in his life.

It might help if you read the preceding post before you criticize or judge someone you don't even know.