Why Donald Trump matters

[praise_yeshua]

Oddly how much that utopia looks like Eden and the restoration of all things...you know those things believers should long for.

We look for NEW heavens and NEW earth. We aren't building a utopia for Christ to use as His own. He'll do that part Himself. He doesn't need you.

So I guess the idea of 'kingdom work' is foreign to you.

Its definitely foreign to you. You reject most everything any Apostle has ever done to build the "kingdom". I wouldn't throw any stones if I were you!!!

No one can setup God's own Kingdom on this earth. Christ will do it Himself when He returns. We are pretty much powerless. You're own Master spoke of the "night" coming were no man could work.

Do you remember this?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Oddly how much that utopia looks like Eden and the restoration of all things...you know those things believers should long for.

We look for NEW heavens and NEW earth. We aren't building a utopia for Christ to use as His own. He'll do that part Himself. He doesn't need you.

So I guess the idea of 'kingdom work' is foreign to you.

Its definitely foreign to you. You reject most everything any Apostle has ever done to build the "kingdom". I wouldn't throw any stones if I were you!!!

No one can setup God's own Kingdom on this earth. Christ will do it Himself when He returns. We are pretty much powerless. You're own Master spoke of the "night" coming were no man could work.

Do you remember this?

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God  is in your midst (or, within you.)”

Oh, and I have not dissed any of the 'true' Apostles, you know, the ones Jesus in person chose with named eyewitnesses at the event, who fit certain criteria. (Matthias being the sole exception though he did meet the criteria and was chosen among notable eyewitnesses.)

 

[rsc2a]

Oddly how much that utopia looks like Eden and the restoration of all things...you know those things believers should long for.

We look for NEW heavens and NEW earth. We aren't building a utopia for Christ to use as His own. He'll do that part Himself. He doesn't need you.

Odd...we are explicitly called the Body of Christ. We are explicitly called His ambassadors. We are explicitly told we have been given the Spirit to be witness of Him. We are explicitly told that our works matter far more than our words. We are explicitly told to care for others. All you have demonstrated is that you have no clue what being a Christian actually looks like in practice.

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Enacting such laws didn't change much of anything. It didn't happen often and it wasn't social acceptable. You're being your typical self. Inflating condition to meet your own liberal agenda.

Tell you what. Show me stats on how many times martial rape laws are being actively prosecuted!!!!????

You up for it? Didn't think so.....[/quote]

You have a habit of making really dumb statements that you have no way of stating. (I'm thinking right of of a statement you made about how I clearly had never read any of C.S. Lewis's writings.) Here are the stats: http://healthresearchfunding.org/21-spousal-rape-statistics/

All you have demonstrated in this instance is that you have absolutely no clue about jurisprudence and rape, especially rape by intimate partners. Well, that and a complete lack of compassion. Granted for someone who doesn't have any problems with slavery...

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Paul never came just short of commanding Philemon to do anything. You're a blathering NUT. [/quote]

Accordingly, though I am bold enough in Christ to command you to do what is required, yet for love's sake I prefer to appeal to you—I, Paul, an old man and now a prisoner also for Christ Jesus— I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus...

...yet again displaying your ignorance...

 

[praise_yeshua]

Oddly how much that utopia looks like Eden and the restoration of all things...you know those things believers should long for.

We look for NEW heavens and NEW earth. We aren't building a utopia for Christ to use as His own. He'll do that part Himself. He doesn't need you.

So I guess the idea of 'kingdom work' is foreign to you.

Its definitely foreign to you. You reject most everything any Apostle has ever done to build the "kingdom". I wouldn't throw any stones if I were you!!!

No one can setup God's own Kingdom on this earth. Christ will do it Himself when He returns. We are pretty much powerless. You're own Master spoke of the "night" coming were no man could work.

Do you remember this?

"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God  is in your midst (or, within you.)”

Are you really trying to say there is no visible, tangible, external Kingdom of God? Its all inside you? Be serious with me.

Oh, and I have not dissed any of the 'true' Apostles, you know, the ones Jesus in person chose with named eyewitnesses at the event, who fit certain criteria. (Matthias being the sole exception though he did meet the criteria and was chosen among notable eyewitnesses.)

Paul was an eyewitness. You believe he lied, Luke lied, and all those other..... APOSTLES.... that accepted His ministry. You're in such small company.

 

[Just John]

I don't care for Trump or McCain but no one is a bigger narcissist than Trump. Not sure it's possible.   And where is his consistent record of conservatism?  His "putting his money where his mouth is" is a big concern considering where many of his past campaign donations have gone! He is a siren song for many who are rightly angered that he will never satisfy.

I am a pretty informed guy and can never remember hearing of the charge against McCain you brought up and POW's. I did a quick google search and the first results I see are from Alex Jones, WND and dailykos. Not saying there isn't anything there but I wouldn't believe it from those sites. Now I would believe it if Ann Coulter said it.  She disdains McCain and I would have expected she would have brought it up if true but I don't remember her ever making  any such claim so I am respectfully doubtful at this point.

When I said that Trump puts his money where his mouth is I was referring specifically to when it comes to supporting the military.  I'm surprised you don't remember  McCain thumbing his nose at missing POW's when there was massive evidence that many unlike himself were still being held captive in Viet Nam and even Korea.  Here is one link.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

I wanted to take this on separately.  The reason I must not have heard about it is because as the author himself stated,  the "media is covering it up". Now the media, who liked McCain and his "straight talk express" during the primaries, turned on him big time during the general election.  There was much discussion about it. Remember the NY Times going after him about an affair that had no basis in fact and other attacks?

So why did this story not get much traction?  It was not first printed in The American Conservative in 2010  as the link here points to.  Instead, it was first printed in The Nation, a decidedly left of left magazine in 2008 as McCain was running for president. It was written by Sydney Shanburg who was an editor at the NY Times and covered the Vietnam War for the NYT. In 1975 he wrote that Cambodia "couldn't be anything but better off with the US leaving".  In just months he would see the folly of his comments as he saw the Khmer Rouge Communists turn Cambodia into "The Killing Fields", the title of the movie based oh his book. They killed 2 million Cambodians.

Schanburg later quit the NY Times and went to work for Penthouse, then Village Voice and The Nation. He was a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. This is relevant because the story did not catch on in the main stream media. So either it was a mass conspiracy that they didn't want to go after McCain or there wasn't much truth to the story.

I found this quote today in regards to Trump by Ann Mills-Griffiths, president of the National League of POW/MIA families, a nonprofit group that supports families of American troops held as prisoners of war and those missing in action:

“Sen. McCain was a prisoner of war who came home with honor but also continued to serve the nation and certainly the cause of America’s veterans returned and unreturned,” Mills-Griffiths said in an interview. “We all need to be grateful for those who did serve with honor.”

http://www.thenation.com/article/powmias-amp-john-mccain/

If you go to the original article on The Nation it will be preceded by a few comments back and forth from competing notables on the subject including Schanberg. Note the following comment from another lib:

"It was extremely disturbing to see The Nation provide space to Sydney Schanberg alleging that John McCain was part of a conspiracy to suppress information about POWs left behind in Vietnam. That would mean that John Kerry and Bill Clinton were also part of the conspiracy, not to mention the Pentagon and the State Department.

Having made more than fifty trips to Vietnam, beginning in 1975, I think the only reality of this story is as evidence of how hard it is for the United States to lose a war. I feel no less a desire than The Nation to ensure that McCain is not our next president, but such an article is Swiftboat revisionism with the endorsement of the country’s leading progressive publication.

JOHN McAULIFF
Executive director
Fund for Reconciliation and Development

I just don't find enough credibility on the story. My opinion.

Where was McCain in the VA scandal? Was he support veterans then? He only jumped on board when it became national news. What "oversight" was he providing?

Please do not get me wrong..I am NOT a McCain apologist. I didn't follow much of the particulars on the VA issues but there have been enough complaints associated with McCain that I will assume he did a poor job of oversight..especially since it blew up first in AZ. I will also add that he was one of The Keating Five, being the lone Republican.  None of this negates however what McCain endured in heroic fashion in the Hanoi Hilton.

 

[IFB X-Files]

None of this negates however what McCain endured in heroic fashion in the Hanoi Hilton.

Nor does it justify his "performance" in Washington.

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin866.htm

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/no_author/john-mccain-is-no-hero

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Are you really trying to say there is no visible, tangible, external Kingdom of God? Its all inside you? Be serious with me.

Jesus was quoted as saying it so take up the argument with Him. The Kingdom of God within us should be standing against the kingdoms of this world. This is why we are to strive for justice, righteousness and promote Jesus and His teachings to the world in both practice and in word.

Paul was an eyewitness. You believe he lied, Luke lied, and all those other..... APOSTLES.... that accepted His ministry. You're in such small company.

So Paul was an eyewitness to his own apostleship anointing. Kinda like a HAC grad giving himself an honorary doctorate.

I believe Luke wrote as he understood it so I don't see malicious intent to deceive. And the other Apostles? Where did they accept Paul's ministry AFTER his arrest in Jerusalem where his buddy Trophimus defamed the temple. They never came to his aid, never stood with him and nothing but silence thereafter. It seems that was the point where they saw through his schtick. Besides, NONE of the apostles acknowledged the status of Apostleship with Paul. At best, the penman (ghostwriter) of II Peter called him brother and not apostle. Other than Paul himself, only Luke one time mentioned Paul as an apostle along with Barnabas. However, it was clear that Luke didn't understand there could be only twelve and no more, so if he didn't accept Mathias as the twelfth, he added both Paul and Barnabas making the number 13 instead of the 12 positions Jesus had mentioned.

Yes, I am in small company. However, Paul's apostleship has been in question all the way back to the first century - i.e. the Corinthian church.

 

[biscuit1953]

Are you really trying to say there is no visible, tangible, external Kingdom of God? Its all inside you? Be serious with me.

Jesus was quoted as saying it so take up the argument with Him. The Kingdom of God within us should be standing against the kingdoms of this world. This is why we are to strive for justice, righteousness and promote Jesus and His teachings to the world in both practice and in word.

Paul was an eyewitness. You believe he lied, Luke lied, and all those other..... APOSTLES.... that accepted His ministry. You're in such small company.

So Paul was an eyewitness to his own apostleship anointing. Kinda like a HAC grad giving himself an honorary doctorate.

I believe Luke wrote as he understood it so I don't see malicious intent to deceive. And the other Apostles? Where did they accept Paul's ministry AFTER his arrest in Jerusalem where his buddy Trophimus defamed the temple. They never came to his aid, never stood with him and nothing but silence thereafter. It seems that was the point where they saw through his schtick. Besides, NONE of the apostles acknowledged the status of Apostleship with Paul. At best, the penman (ghostwriter) of II Peter called him brother and not apostle. Other than Paul himself, only Luke one time mentioned Paul as an apostle along with Barnabas. However, it was clear that Luke didn't understand there could be only twelve and no more, so if he didn't accept Mathias as the twelfth, he added both Paul and Barnabas making the number 13 instead of the 12 positions Jesus had mentioned.

Yes, I am in small company. However, Paul's apostleship has been in question all the way back to the first century - i.e. the Corinthian church.

And you're nothing more than a heretic.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

And you're nothing more than a heretic.

If trying to follow the teachings of Jesus a heretic makes, count me in.

 

[biscuit1953]

John McCain blocked a move to arm our troops at home.
http://toprightnews.com/just-one-month-ago-john-mccain-defeated-a-move-to-arm-our-solders-here-at-home/

 

[praise_yeshua]

And you're nothing more than a heretic.

If trying to follow the teachings of Jesus a heretic makes, count me in.

You really have become an enemy of the Gospel!

Tell you what. Do you want to a formal debate in the apostleship of Paul? At least you're honest in your communication. That NUT Rasa just makes things up as he goes.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Oddly how much that utopia looks like Eden and the restoration of all things...you know those things believers should long for.

We look for NEW heavens and NEW earth. We aren't building a utopia for Christ to use as His own. He'll do that part Himself. He doesn't need you.

Odd...we are explicitly called the Body of Christ. We are explicitly called His ambassadors. We are explicitly told we have been given the Spirit to be witness of Him. We are explicitly told that our works matter far more than our words. We are explicitly told to care for others. All you have demonstrated is that you have no clue what being a Christian actually looks like in practice.

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Enacting such laws didn't change much of anything. It didn't happen often and it wasn't social acceptable. You're being your typical self. Inflating condition to meet your own liberal agenda.

Tell you what. Show me stats on how many times martial rape laws are being actively prosecuted!!!!????

You up for it? Didn't think so.....

You have a habit of making really dumb statements that you have no way of stating. (I'm thinking right of of a statement you made about how I clearly had never read any of C.S. Lewis's writings.) Here are the stats: http://healthresearchfunding.org/21-spousal-rape-statistics/

All you have demonstrated in this instance is that you have absolutely no clue about jurisprudence and rape, especially rape by intimate partners. Well, that and a complete lack of compassion. Granted for someone who doesn't have any problems with slavery...

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Paul never came just short of commanding Philemon to do anything. You're a blathering NUT. [/quote]

Accordingly, though I am bold enough in Christ to command you to do what is required, yet for love's sake I prefer to appeal to you—I, Paul, an old man and now a prisoner also for Christ Jesus— I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus...

...yet again displaying your ignorance...
[/quote]

Oh yeah.... I'm the one that ignorant. You point to an article that states there has never been but 2 surveys ever conducted but doesn't include the surveys themselves. Yeah. That's evidence all right.

You also believe that Paul refused to call out a mans sin. Only alluding to it. Well that doesn't fit the facts of Paul's life. Not even close. Paul wasnt calling out Philemon on his sin of owning a slave. He was alluding to his power in the Gospel to command Him to free his recently converted slave for the work of the Gospel.

It really is useless to try to teach you anything. You Google a few liberal websites and you think you know something about the subject. I suspect you're about 16 years old living in your command shelter at mom central.... munching on Doritos while you earn your internet PhD in theology.

 

[rsc2a]

And you're nothing more than a heretic.

If trying to follow the teachings of Jesus a heretic makes, count me in.

You really have become an enemy of the Gospel!

Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit...

...they are calling someone an enemy of the Gospel?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=praise_yeshua]Oh yeah.... I'm the one that ignorant. You point to an article that states there has never been but 2 surveys ever conducted but doesn't include the surveys themselves. Yeah. That's evidence all right. [/quote]

At first you said I wouldn't even post statistics.

See also: goalpost, moving.

As far as the number of surveys, you clearly have no idea how quiet rape victims are about what has been done, do you? Here's a little insight: I personally know at least a handful of women who have confided in me about sexual violence done to them. Care to guess how many have reported it in any official capacity be it through the authorities or surveys or whatnot? Here's a clue...it rhymes with "lero". Not only that, they likely wouldn't admit it even if they were surveyed.

[quote author=praise_yeshua]You also believe that Paul refused to call out a mans sin. Only alluding to it. Well that doesn't fit the facts of Paul's life. Not even close. Paul wasnt calling out Philemon on his sin of owning a slave. He was alluding to his power in the Gospel to command Him to free his recently converted slave for the work of the Gospel. [/quote]

You're the one who has a problem with Paul's words, not me. I'm fine accepting what he said.

[quote author=praise_yeshua]It really is useless to try to teach you anything. You Google a few liberal websites and you think you know something about the subject. I suspect you're about 16 years old living in your command shelter at mom central.... munching on Doritos while you earn your internet PhD in theology.[/quote]

Figured me out. Now again...how do you display Christ? Oh yeah...we aren't supposed to do that. Actually, your behavior towards fellow image-bearers suddenly makes a lot more sense. If we aren't supposed to reflect Jesus into the world, why not act like a jackass to the rest of humanity?

 

[biscuit1953]

rsc2a:  "Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit.  Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit..."

That is nothing but a low blow since no one on this forum supports slavery including myself.  The problem with you is there are many things found in the Bible that aren't "politically correct" and you attempt to sugar coat what you don't like.  Slavery was regulated but not forbidden. 

"According to colonial records, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man.

Prior to 1655 there were no legal slaves in the colonies, only indentured servants. All masters were required to free their servants after their time was up. Seven years was the limit that an indentured servant could be held. Upon their release they were granted 50 acres of land. This included any Negro purchased from slave traders. Negros were also granted 50 acres upon their release.

Whites still could not legally hold a black servant as an indefinite slave until 1670. In that year, the colonial assembly passed legislation permitting free whites, blacks, and Indians the right to own blacks as slaves.

By 1699, the number of free blacks prompted fears of a “Negro insurrection.” Virginia Colonial ordered the repatriation of freed blacks back to Africa. Many blacks sold themselves to white masters so they would not have to go to Africa. This was the first effort to gently repatriate free blacks back to Africa. The modern nations of Sierra Leone and Liberia both originated as colonies of repatriated former black slaves.

By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone."  http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/

Slavery in America started out with indentured servants who were released after seven years (just as Hebrews slaves were) and it was only later permanent slaves were permitted.  I don't know why God gave different regulations to foreign slaves in the Old Testament but He did (Leviticus 25:39-46). 

God seems unfair many times throughout the Bible but just because I don't like some of the things I read, I don't shake my fist at Him and try to make him into my image.  That is idolatry.

 

[rsc2a]

rsc2a:  "Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit.  Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit..."

That is nothing but a low blow since no one on this forum supports slavery including myself.  The problem with you is there are many things found in the Bible that aren't "politically correct" and you attempt to sugar coat what you don't like.  Slavery was regulated but not forbidden. 

Slavery isn't wrong. The "slavery" of America was wrong. I personally wouldn't practice slavery but one can't ignore that slavery is the result of individual sin and its ramifications throughout history.

Take away the idea of the "servant" and the "slave" from society and you have removed the vast majority of natural revelation given to humanity.- PY

Biscuit - I'll await your retraction. As far as "regulated but not forbidden", Jesus addressed this when He was asked about divorce.

[quote author=biscuit1953]God seems unfair many times throughout the Bible but just because I don't like some of the things I read, I don't shake my fist at Him and try to make him into my image.  That is idolatry.[/quote]

Are you suddenly opening the door for stoning wayward children and forcing women to marry their rapists? The Pharisees had it nailed...a woman caught in adultery. "The Law says to stone her. What say you?" Remind me again...how did Jesus respond?

 

[biscuit1953]

rsc2a:  "Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit.  Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit..."

That is nothing but a low blow since no one on this forum supports slavery including myself.  The problem with you is there are many things found in the Bible that aren't "politically correct" and you attempt to sugar coat what you don't like.  Slavery was regulated but not forbidden. 

Slavery isn't wrong. The "slavery" of America was wrong. I personally wouldn't practice slavery but one can't ignore that slavery is the result of individual sin and its ramifications throughout history.

Take away the idea of the "servant" and the "slave" from society and you have removed the vast majority of natural revelation given to humanity.- PY

Biscuit - I'll await your retraction. As far as "regulated but not forbidden", Jesus addressed this when He was asked about divorce.

[quote author=biscuit1953]God seems unfair many times throughout the Bible but just because I don't like some of the things I read, I don't shake my fist at Him and try to make him into my image.  That is idolatry.

Are you suddenly opening the door for stoning wayward children and forcing women to marry their rapists? The Pharisees had it nailed...a woman caught in adultery. "The Law says to stone her. What say you?" Remind me again...how did Jesus respond?
[/quote]
I didn't say it wasn't wrong.  I believe it is.  I said it wasn't forbidden.  The apostle Paul didn't use his authority to command the release of Onesimus. 

 

[rsc2a]

rsc2a:  "Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit.  Someone who thinks slavery is God's design, who denies our God-given responsibility to be the hands and feet of Jesus, someone who displays no fruit of the Spirit..."

That is nothing but a low blow since no one on this forum supports slavery including myself.  The problem with you is there are many things found in the Bible that aren't "politically correct" and you attempt to sugar coat what you don't like.  Slavery was regulated but not forbidden. 

Slavery isn't wrong. The "slavery" of America was wrong. I personally wouldn't practice slavery but one can't ignore that slavery is the result of individual sin and its ramifications throughout history.

Take away the idea of the "servant" and the "slave" from society and you have removed the vast majority of natural revelation given to humanity.- PY

Biscuit - I'll await your retraction. As far as "regulated but not forbidden", Jesus addressed this when He was asked about divorce.

[quote author=biscuit1953]God seems unfair many times throughout the Bible but just because I don't like some of the things I read, I don't shake my fist at Him and try to make him into my image.  That is idolatry.

Are you suddenly opening the door for stoning wayward children and forcing women to marry their rapists? The Pharisees had it nailed...a woman caught in adultery. "The Law says to stone her. What say you?" Remind me again...how did Jesus respond?

I didn't say it wasn't wrong.  I believe it is.  I said it wasn't forbidden.  The apostle Paul didn't use his authority to command the release of Onesimus.
[/quote]

You said..."This is nothing but a low blow since no one on this forum supports slavery..."

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I support slavery, and I'm happy to be a slave. 

16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

 

[biscuit1953]

I support slavery, and I'm happy to be a slave. 

16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

After God changed my heart I love Him because He first loved me and consider my self a "bondservant" who willingly serves as opposed to one who serves against his will.  I won't argue with you though.