Would you pastors object to being called "brother" instead?

[T-Bone]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing. 

 

[T-Bone]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

 

[FSSL]

The truth of the matter is...

If the term "brother" was used instead of "pastor," abuse of leadership would not stop in many cases.

 

[praise_yeshua]

A "pastor" shouldn't be offended in being called "brother". If you don't like it.... then don't be a "pastor".

Nope. If your point is that it must be about being biblical... then you must call the leader of your your congregation "elder." Want the verses?

This is just a silly thread... our pastor does not care what he is called. It is a hasty generalization to say that pastors demand that they have a title. Granted... among the IFBXrs, titles like "doctor" and "pastor" are abused. That accounts for .05% of Christendom? Maybe.

Its bigger than this and happens across all facets of Christianity today. You're downplaying it.

There is no doubt.. "some" who enjoy the title of "pastor" over "brother". Which is pretty much what I got from the thread.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The truth of the matter is...

If the term "brother" was used instead of "pastor," abuse of leadership would not stop in many cases.

True in some cases but probably not all.  8)

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

The truth of the matter is...

If the term "brother" was used instead of "pastor," abuse of leadership would not stop in many cases.

But we'd be obeying Jesus.  And that's kind of important, don't you think?

 

[T-Bone]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise.

Already told you I don't care what I'm called...you continue to miss the point of Jesus' teaching in this passage because clearly you have been around people who demand a title and the respect they think comes with it...its not the title it is the heart of the person, and that is what Jesus was talking about.

Doubt we will agree...just be careful you don't slander those who pastor from a place of service and humility, rather than demanding respect and honor from those they perceive to be lesser.  I know that happens, but that is a heart problem not a "title" problem.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise.

Already told you I don't care what I'm called...you continue to miss the point of Jesus' teaching in this passage because clearly you have been around people who demand a title and the respect they think comes with it...its not the title it is the heart of the person, and that is what Jesus was talking about.

Doubt we will agree...just be careful you don't slander those who pastor from a place of service and humility, rather than demanding respect and honor from those they perceive to be lesser.  I know that happens, but that is a heart problem not a "title" problem.

You're having pronoun trouble.  Unless, of course, the shoe fits, and you're in denial, but sensitive enough to get defensive. 

 

[T-Bone]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise.

Already told you I don't care what I'm called...you continue to miss the point of Jesus' teaching in this passage because clearly you have been around people who demand a title and the respect they think comes with it...its not the title it is the heart of the person, and that is what Jesus was talking about.

Doubt we will agree...just be careful you don't slander those who pastor from a place of service and humility, rather than demanding respect and honor from those they perceive to be lesser.  I know that happens, but that is a heart problem not a "title" problem.

You're having pronoun trouble.  Unless, of course, the shoe fits, and you're in denial, but sensitive enough to get defensive.

Really, I tried to answer your posts from my point of view and you have to turn to this...I am not defensive, just trying to explain ,  you don't agree that is fine...like I said several times, I care little what you or anyone else calls me,  its not about the title, but the heart!  You don't believe that...that's your issue, not mine. I believe I read somewhere in this thread where you asked for response from pastors...I guess you didn't really mean that you wanted sincere responses.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise.

Already told you I don't care what I'm called...you continue to miss the point of Jesus' teaching in this passage because clearly you have been around people who demand a title and the respect they think comes with it...its not the title it is the heart of the person, and that is what Jesus was talking about.

Doubt we will agree...just be careful you don't slander those who pastor from a place of service and humility, rather than demanding respect and honor from those they perceive to be lesser.  I know that happens, but that is a heart problem not a "title" problem.

You're having pronoun trouble.  Unless, of course, the shoe fits, and you're in denial, but sensitive enough to get defensive.

Really, I tried to answer your posts from my point of view and you have to turn to this...I am not defensive, just trying to explain ,  you don't agree that is fine...like I said several times, I care little what you or anyone else calls me,  its not about the title, but the heart!  You don't believe that...that's your issue, not mine. I believe I read somewhere in this thread where you asked for response from pastors...I guess you didn't really mean that you wanted sincere responses.

No, I just didn't know you're a pastor.  That's why I referred to "your pastor". 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise.

Already told you I don't care what I'm called...you continue to miss the point of Jesus' teaching in this passage because clearly you have been around people who demand a title and the respect they think comes with it...its not the title it is the heart of the person, and that is what Jesus was talking about.

Doubt we will agree...just be careful you don't slander those who pastor from a place of service and humility, rather than demanding respect and honor from those they perceive to be lesser.  I know that happens, but that is a heart problem not a "title" problem.

You're having pronoun trouble.  Unless, of course, the shoe fits, and you're in denial, but sensitive enough to get defensive.

Really, I tried to answer your posts from my point of view and you have to turn to this...I am not defensive, just trying to explain ,  you don't agree that is fine...like I said several times, I care little what you or anyone else calls me,  its not about the title, but the heart!  You don't believe that...that's your issue, not mine. I believe I read somewhere in this thread where you asked for response from pastors...I guess you didn't really mean that you wanted sincere responses.

Brother Mater has his mind made up.
my good buddy never wrong py has his mind made up.
They are right, facts and Bible evidence aside.
Please do not try to engage them in factual, reasonable or biblical evidence to the contrary.

Oh, and by the way, we pastors are the one's filled with pride.
Rich, ain't it?

 

[T-Bone]

It's funny how you guys are trying to make it out like YOUR church assembly refers to the "pastor" as "brother" instead.  Wow, you guys have the most unique assemblies!!

Google "church signs", "baptist church signs", or "church pastor signs" and look at the pictures.  Wherever you see a reference, it's always pastor, pastor, pastor.  It's "our pastor", "the pastor", or "pastor so-and-so".  Naturally, you see fewer references to "pastor" if you simply google "church signs", but wherever you DO see a reference, it's always "pastor". 

Google "baptist church bulletins".  Pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor, pastor. 

Google "church brother signs" and look at the pictures.  Not a single "our brother", etc., in reference to the "pastor".

My response speaks of both...and again I spend little time worrying about titles.  They might identify a position or calling to the general public, but they don't make anyone more special than others.  It is the attitude of the person not the title that makes the difference.

Apparently the title makes a difference to Jesus.  He said so. 

Yes, Jesus said "rabbi", but the modern equivalent of "rabbi" and "instructor" is "pastor", just as the modern equivalent of "father" is "priest" (still called "father", too). 

Jesus told us not to call anyone by those titles.  In your opinion, it's not worth worrying about.  In my opinion, if Jesus said it, it's worth addressing.

Actually, if you want to be specific Jesus did not say anything about calling someone "Pastor"...Paul said that Jesus Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying.  You make too much of a word/position or title and neglect the attitude Jesus is addressing in Matthew, that of the Scribes & Pharisees misusing titles to build up their self importance.  Do you really think in the same passage Jesus is telling us never to call our earthly father, "father"?  Or is He dealing again with those who would use titles to promote self while putting others down.  Your concern for biblical verbage is admirable, but you are missing the point of the passage.  Its about the heart brother, and the manipulation of His truth...not merely a word that in the case you are putting in there that's not even there...Pastor is not there.

Yes, God gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,  for equipping and edifying. God also gave some to be plumbers, some to be pianists, etc.  But we don't call people "Plumber Bill" or "Pianist Joe".  These are jobs, not titles. 

But "Pastor" is a title, and like I said, it is the modern equivalent of "rabbi/teacher/instructor".  Obviously, this is important to Jesus, because Jesus tells us not to call people by these titles.  He says the reason we shouldn't be using these titles because WE'RE ALL BROTHERS and people tend to exalt themselves with the titles. 

Can you not see how the pastor is exalted in 99.9% of assemblies?  He's the center of attention, the orator on every Sunday (and maybe Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, etc.), the head honcho of the church.  His name "Pastor Chuck" is placed on the church sign and leads the list of people in the bulletin. 

You can tell me how humble your pastor is all you want, but if he objects to changing his title from "pastor" to "brother" that testifies otherwise.

Already told you I don't care what I'm called...you continue to miss the point of Jesus' teaching in this passage because clearly you have been around people who demand a title and the respect they think comes with it...its not the title it is the heart of the person, and that is what Jesus was talking about.

Doubt we will agree...just be careful you don't slander those who pastor from a place of service and humility, rather than demanding respect and honor from those they perceive to be lesser.  I know that happens, but that is a heart problem not a "title" problem.

You're having pronoun trouble.  Unless, of course, the shoe fits, and you're in denial, but sensitive enough to get defensive.

Really, I tried to answer your posts from my point of view and you have to turn to this...I am not defensive, just trying to explain ,  you don't agree that is fine...like I said several times, I care little what you or anyone else calls me,  its not about the title, but the heart!  You don't believe that...that's your issue, not mine. I believe I read somewhere in this thread where you asked for response from pastors...I guess you didn't really mean that you wanted sincere responses.

No, I just didn't know you're a pastor.  That's why I referred to "your pastor".

 

I mentioned that all the way back on page 3 of this thread...but that aside, that you and I have been on this forum for this long and you did not know that about me makes my point.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Fact for TB..

1Ti 5:1  Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I mentioned that all the way back on page 3 of this thread...but that aside, that you and I have been on this forum for this long and you did not know that about me makes my point.

Sorry, I missed it.  And I don't keep track of who's who on here.  I honestly don't know for sure who is a pastor and who isn't. 

 

[praise_yeshua]

Brother Mater has his mind made up.
my good buddy never wrong py has his mind made up.
They are right, facts and Bible evidence aside.
Please do not try to engage them in factual, reasonable or biblical evidence to the contrary.

Oh, and by the way, we pastors are the one's filled with pride.
Rich, ain't it?

I haven't seen much evidence have you brother Mater?

I think Pastor TB is being a little condescending.....

Us poor lowly people just don't understand it like he does...

Rom 12:16  Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Brother Mater has his mind made up.
my good buddy never wrong py has his mind made up.
They are right, facts and Bible evidence aside.
Please do not try to engage them in factual, reasonable or biblical evidence to the contrary.

Oh, and by the way, we pastors are the one's filled with pride.
Rich, ain't it?

I haven't seen much evidence have you brother Mater?

I think Pastor TB is being a little condescending.....

Use poor lowly people just don't understand it like he does...

Rom 12:16  Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

sure, buddy!

 

[praise_yeshua]

I mentioned that all the way back on page 3 of this thread...but that aside, that you and I have been on this forum for this long and you did not know that about me makes my point.

Sorry, I missed it.  And I don't keep track of who's who on here.  I honestly don't know for sure who is a pastor and who isn't.

TB is. T-Bone is. FSSL is an assistant of some sort... which means he qualifies as a "brother" and don't know it.... LOL

There are a few others that don't participate that often.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Brother Mater has his mind made up.
my good buddy never wrong py has his mind made up.
They are right, facts and Bible evidence aside.
Please do not try to engage them in factual, reasonable or biblical evidence to the contrary.

Oh, and by the way, we pastors are the one's filled with pride.
Rich, ain't it?

I haven't seen much evidence have you brother Mater?

I think Pastor TB is being a little condescending.....

Use poor lowly people just don't understand it like he does...

Rom 12:16  Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

TB is almost as consumed by pride as ALAYMAN, though they top one another occasionally.  Maybe it's a competition they've got going.