Whosoever in John 3:16.

sword said:
You do have a point on 1 John 1:9, I generally use this verse in reference to sins we commit after we are saved. My point is there is no reference to only a select group having their sins forgiven. The verses are all general not a specific group like the Jews, or the Elect or other specific groups.
I have always interpreted 1 John 1:9 to be for the unsaved (forgiven) and the saved (cleanse).
I don't need my sin forgiven, they were forgiven at salvation, but I need to confess and be cleaned to restore fellowship. A sinner must confess that he is a sinner in the need of a savior to be saved.
I may be reading too much into the verse, but I don't think the concept would be un-biblical. Why would John and Paul not be clear that not everyone has the option to be saved.
I have always believed predestinated to mean God knew how we would choose through foreknowledge, but created us to make our own choice. Everyone has the opportunity to be saved, they just may choose to reject the opportunity. I could predict what food each of my children would choose at the buffet line but they had the freewill to choose whatever they wanted. I also had the opportunity to influence their choice but did not always take it just as we don't always take the opportunity to tell others the gospel story.
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I've always appreciated your contributions to the forum and style of conversation. Just wanted to get that out of the way. 😊

I think in making application it's important to keep context as king in making the determination for application. When we unhinge the truth that we seek to point out from its context then we are in effect putting words in God's mouth. The audience for 1st John 1:9 is clearly speaking to saved people. I think your point that unsaved people need forgiveness unto salvation is correct and easily provable from other places in scriptures, but rather than making this post lengthy, I just think that we ought to prove our theology from a sound hermeneutic which limits applications to the context that we're referencing, and 1st John 1:9 is speaking about fellowship for Christians who might be tempted to lie to themselves and say that they can live a life of sin and still remain in a right relationship to God's good grace.
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Lol, are you even a Calvinist ? Every Calvinist I ever spoke with said if you are not elected by God then you are heading to hell.
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You were claiming before Calvinists beleved in a "cosmic lottery." How am I supposed to reason with someone who can't keep his own argument consistent?
 
Ransom said:
You were claiming before Calvinists beleved in a "cosmic lottery." How am I supposed to reason with someone who can't keep his own argument consistent?
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What do you think election is if you are picked by God while others not yet born are rejected if not a cosmic lottery ?
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Lol, are you even a Calvinist ? Every Calvinist I ever spoke with said if you are not elected by God then you are heading to hell. You must be a liberal Calvinist I guess.
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Election is not just a calvinist doctrine, it is a Bible doctrine.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Election is not just a calvinist doctrine, it is a Bible doctrine.
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Nope not even close. Election in salvation is a lie from the pits of hell. Scripture says:
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Act 17:30 - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: Do you believe God repents for you.?
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Rom 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that Good hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. God does not believe for you. Do you see the “if” in that verse ?
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Election in salvation is a lie from the pits of hell.
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Who are "God's elect" (Romans 8:33)? How did they get to be the "elect," if not by "election"?

You should be careful what you call "a lie from the pits of hell," lest you be found blaspheming.
 
Ransom said:
Who are "God's elect" (Romans 8:33)? How did they get to be the "elect," if not by "election"?

You should be careful what you call "a lie from the pits of hell," lest you be found blaspheming.
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God’s elect are those who have humbled themselves before God ,admitted to God and themselves that they are sinners, and placed their faith in the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords making them able to receive the imputed righteousness of Jesus.
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
God’s elect are those who have humbled themselves before God ,admitted to God and themselves that they are sinners, and placed their faith in the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords making them able to receive the imputed righteousness of Jesus.
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Why are they called "elect"?
 
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