We're here, we're queer and we're coming for your children'

abcaines said:
Was there ever any doubt?
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When they said

" . . . and we coming after your children", what exactly do you think they meant by that? (assuming they were serious and were not just trying to incite anger from the right)
 
Gringo said:
When they said

" . . . and we coming after your children", what exactly do you think they meant by that? (assuming they were serious and were not just trying to incite anger from the right)
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In a reasonable inference it is surely saying that the lifestyle and worldview of the LGBTQ community should be normalized, in this case through assimilation into American youth culture.
 
I heard someone say 30+ years ago, "They can't reproduce so they have to recruit."

I've known since the 80s that it is the agenda of these perverts to reach out to the youth. They have become bolder and more militant about it as their views gain wider acceptance.
 
Gringo said:
When they said

" . . . and we coming after your children", what exactly do you think they meant by that? (assuming they were serious and were not just trying to incite anger from the right)
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They mean that they are pushing to gain acceptance for their ideology by indoctrinating children, such as through early sex-education curricula, placement of sexually explicit materials in juvenile libraries, events such as Drag Queen Story Hour, and so forth.

The gay-rights, or LGBTQ-rights, or 2SLGBTQI+rights movement, or whichever jumble of letters you prefer to call it, ceased years ago to be about just gaining acceptance, or the ability to love whom one wishes. It's been absorbed into the Marxist-infused ideologies that have captured pedagogy, activism, leftist politics, even liberal theology.
 
Ransom said:
The gay-rights, or LGBTQ-rights, or 2SLGBTQI+rights movement, or whichever jumble of letters you prefer to call it, ceased years ago to be about just gaining acceptance, or the ability to love whom one wishes. It's been absorbed into the Marxist-infused ideologies that have captured pedagogy, activism, leftist politics, even liberal theology.
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It never ceased. It has always been as you have said. They just knew their militant approach wouldn't work in the beginning.
 
These are topics I’ve always struggled with because I believe in democracy and freedom of rights, and I have no desire to ever live in an Iran-style theocracy (even if Christian). While I never morally “supported” gay marriage, I always felt it was not very democratic to forbid two consenting adults from doing so. The issue, however, is unlike others, I always knew it wouldn’t stop with people settling for the legality of gay marriage, it was just the first step in a litany of other agendas to come.
 
There's too few gay people (relatively speaking) to ever overcome the majority's stereotype that gay people are lying in wait to sexually abuse children and to "recruit" them. I'm not even going to try.

I will just say that what these clowns in the gay community are doing right now is going to prove its downfall. So don't worry. It won't be too long before the good that was done (in a gay's eyes) such as the abolition of gay discrimination in the work place, the right to marriage etc will all be a thing of the past. The hatred for a gay person that the "average" person has is only going to intensify as we watch the gay community "coming after your children". People won't stand for that and I don't blame them. While the mammon loving press could care less that the majority has nothing but revulsion for this community, when they realize that it's purse strings are emptying, they will turn on the gay community quicker than a Hyles graduate could turn on Hyles Anderson College.

The gay community has been SO STUPID to allow this fringe to speak for them as a whole and it's going to be its undoing, I'm afraid. This is no different than if the press portrayed Stephen Anderson and you as the same. You wouldn't like it.

And as a gay person myself, I am SO EMBARASSED and horrified that little children have been brought into this. While I was personally happy when gay marriage came about, I would willingly give that right up if it meant that we would act decently and protect children instead of rubbing a drag queen's silicone into the eyes of a baby.
 
Gringo said:
There's too few gay people (relatively speaking) to ever overcome the majority's stereotype that gay people are lying in wait to sexually abuse children and to "recruit" them. I'm not even going to try.
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I think this has the potential for an interesting discussion. To start, at least with the folks in my circles, I haven’t heard anyone say gay people are trying to recruit kids, but I have heard that sort of thing geared towards the transgender population.
Gringo said:
The hatred for a gay person that the "average" person has is only going to intensify as we watch the gay community "coming after your children". People won't stand for that and I don't blame them.
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Again, are we talking about the gay community or the transgender community? I realize that the LGBTQ+ alphabet soup gets lumped together, but I don’t think most people are upset with the gay community, it’s namely the transgender community.
 
Gringo said:
There's too few gay people (relatively speaking) to ever overcome the majority's stereotype that gay people are lying in wait to sexually abuse children and to "recruit" them. I'm not even going to try.

I will just say that what these clowns in the gay community are doing right now is going to prove its downfall. So don't worry. It won't be too long before the good that was done (in a gay's eyes) such as the abolition of gay discrimination in the work place, the right to marriage etc will all be a thing of the past. The hatred for a gay person that the "average" person has is only going to intensify as we watch the gay community "coming after your children". People won't stand for that and I don't blame them. While the mammon loving press could care less that the majority has nothing but revulsion for this community, when they realize that it's purse strings are emptying, they will turn on the gay community quicker than a Hyles graduate could turn on Hyles Anderson College.

The gay community has been SO STUPID to allow this fringe to speak for them as a whole and it's going to be its undoing, I'm afraid. This is no different than if the press portrayed Stephen Anderson and you as the same. You wouldn't like it.

And as a gay person myself, I am SO EMBARASSED and horrified that little children have been brought into this. While I was personally happy when gay marriage came about, I would willingly give that right up if it meant that we would act decently and protect children instead of rubbing a drag queen's silicone into the eyes of a baby.
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I know and understand that not all gay people are "IN YOUR FACE" about their lifestyle. Many of them live their lives privately (as do most heterosexuals) and just want to be left alone. All they ask for is that they can walk down the street without fear of being assaulted or murdered and I fully respect this! A human being is a human being and EVERYONE deserves their due dignity and respect as such.

Regarding marriage, it really does not matter what laws the state passes, "gay" marriage will never be a REAL message! Marriage was ordained of God as one man and one woman and even fully secularized societies understand (or used to anyway) that a marriage is between a man and a woman!

The question to ask though is why does the radical fringe act the way they do? Why is it not enough that I respect their basic human rights and treat you like any other person? Why do they insist I not only affirm their lifestyle but my motives are questioned if I am not marching in lock-step with them waving their "Gay Flag" and openly celebrating? Why is it that they have the "Thought Police" out in full force questioning my motives because I am a Christian and believe the Bible?

I would say that it is a spiritual matter! They will not leave Christians alone because the Holy Spirit will not leave them alone! I believe this has been at the root of Christian persecution throughout the history of the Church.
 
"Regarding marriage, it really does not matter what laws the state passes, "gay" marriage will never be a REAL message! Marriage was ordained of God as one man and one woman and even fully secularized societies understand (or used to anyway) that a marriage is between a man and a woman!"

It's very ironic because I had the best example in the world of a wonderful marriage: my beloved parents who were married for 64 years. I'm sure my father would have agreed with you.

I do, however, find it amusing that people will say that marriage is between one man and one woman while at the same time they will divorce their own spouse. Apparently they think it means one man and one woman at a time. Just how holy can that be.

Anyway, you're right, the Bible does teach that marriage is between one man and one woman. Absolutely.
 
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Gringo said:
I do, however, find it amusing that people will say that marriage is between one man and one woman while at the same time they will divorce their own spouse. Apparently they think it means one man and one woman at a time. Just how holy can that be.
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Absolutely.

Marriage has been under attack since original sin. Jesus told the scribes that Moses granted decrees of divorce "because of the hardness of your hearts". The Scriptures declare God hates divorce.

My wife and I just celebrated our 18th anniversary. We're still going strong; not perfect nor ideal by any stretch, but we could no more leave each other than we would intentionally sever one of our limbs.

Ruth Graham was once asked about being married to Billy for 50+ years: "Have you ever contemplated divorce?" Her reply: "Divorce? No. Murder? Yes."
 
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Over the years, one thing I’ve consistently noticed in certain “minority communities” is the almost “need” to feel persecuted. I’m not sure if Gringo got a chance to look at my reply, but his original post reminds me of that mentality. His statements such as, “The hatred for a gay person that the "average" person has is only going to intensify.”

In my time on this forum, I haven’t seen anyone “gay bashing” or “filled with hate” towards gays. I also haven’t experienced hearing this in the real world except for a couple occasions when I was much younger (back in the 90s). What I have seen on this forum are people who biblically disagree with the gay lifestyle because it contradicts the Bible. As for the real world these days, I mainly see non-gay people bending over backwards to appease the LGBTQ community and appear “tolerant.” Where’s all the hate???
 
Ransom said:
It's been absorbed into the Marxist-infused ideologies that have captured pedagogy, activism, leftist politics, even liberal theology.
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Would you say, historically, that it’s always been associated with Marxism (at least since Marxism was born)?
 
HukNduck said:
Would you say, historically, that it’s always been associated with Marxism (at least since Marxism was born)?
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I would say you nailed it with your comments on "minority communities". Some may not like this but I don't think genuine believers are immune from this martyrs complex thinking. I have to guard against it in my mind continuously.

I personally don't want to see believers become the majority or in power because absolute power corrupts absolutely. This would apply to ALL populations and ideologies.

As for the Marxist comparison, Marxism is no longer just a political ideology. Your use of the term illustrates this perfectly. It has become a mindset that looks to reject God and place the ideology of those in power (or think they are) on the throne. Yes, Christians would engage in this behavior if given the opportunity. We toss the term around because it was the Bolsheviks who held to Marxist political ideology and raised their militancy and intolerance of dissention to a science. We use the term Nazism in a similar vein.
 
HukNduck said:
In my time on this forum, I haven’t seen anyone “gay bashing” or “filled with hate” towards gays.
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True. A false stereotype would imagine this forum to be hateful. It is not and I never had to moderate a single post.

Now... nudists... they get moderated (and treated kindly) and tossed off the forum ;)
 
FSSL said:
Now... nudists... they get moderated (and treated kindly) and tossed off the forum
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That nudist was/is "in your/our face" every bit as much as the woke queers (their preferred term) and trannies.
 
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