Convicting. Or Should Be.

Justice1976 said:
And to me, that is the theological slippery slope.

Absolutely, God's Word addresses all the issues of all the days. But I think sometimes we can get so carried away with the doctrines (of say, life, sexuality, moral issues, modesty in attire, etc.) that many churches realize one day that it has been MONTHS since the gospel message was proclaimed in their congregation. And to me, that's a slide in the wrong direction.
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As one who has been a Pastor and preacher for 50 years my opinion is that your concern is misplaced and misguided. One cannot preach the whole council of God and dodge any issue addressed in Scripture.

And if the entire culture moves to positions opposing His truth you are derelict in your calling to ignore them.
 
Ekklesian said:
That strikes me as an apt description. So, IsraelTM seems an apt designation for the Zionist state.
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This is really all you needed as an explanation, but thank you for the other twelve paragraphs lol.

You need to relax with this Israel business. It’s obviously part of God’s plan. Correct?
 
Ransom said:
Vague claims of having already answered questions (where simple observation proves you didn't) are not a fraction as clever as you seem to think.
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Don't play coy. I asked first. The first time it was an open-ended question. The second time after a hostile response, it was a leading question, not a 'loaded' one, which is perfectly legit. Your objections are invalid.
 
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DrHuk&Duck said:
This is really all you needed as an explanation, but thank you for the other twelve paragraphs lol.
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The additional information was needed to show that Shapiro is not an outlier among the Jews. And, being accused of hate for questioning Israel'sTM claim to the land, I think it was necessary to show that the message the Jews are hearing directly from the Gospels is one of hate as well...or so they say.


DrHuk&Duck said:
You need to relax with this Israel business. It’s obviously part of God’s plan. Correct?
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There's nothing that happens that is not part of God's plan, the destruction of Jerusalem, the Spanish Inquisition, German Fascism, etc.

Be more specific...God's plan for what?
 
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Ekklesian said:
Don't play coy. I asked first. The first time it was an open-ended question. The second time after a hostile response, it was a leading question, not a 'loaded' one, which is perfectly legit. Your objections are invalid.
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Don't play the fool. You made an assertion about biscuit that you have yet to support with any facts:

Ekklesian said:
But you are saying more than that. You're saying IsraelTM has a claim on my solidarity, on my loyalty, and on my resources above that of any other nation-state. You're saying the whole world is obligated to carve out a piece of Palestine just for IsraelTM, and to defend it to the death.
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It's intellectually dishonest to ask loaded questions that require people to accept false premises first.

It's just plain dishonest to pretend you never asserted them.
 
Ransom said:
It's intellectually dishonest to ask loaded questions that require people to accept false premises first.
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You're being obtuse.

He can say, "No, that's not what it means to me...this is what it means..." Very simple. Very easy.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Israel is the only nation in the world that feeds the very enemy that vows its destruction. Sen. Tom Cotton exposes the lies of the global media and the propaganda of the United Nations with its slander of Israel. The prophesies concerning Israel in the last days will be fulfilled to the last letter and God’s covenant with them as a nation will not be thwarted whether America supports her or not.

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You're full of baloney.


0:00 What Is the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation?
8:52 Aguilar Details the Atrocities Taking Place in Gaza
12:03 To What Extent Is the US Involved in the Destruction of Gaza?
14:39 Is Israel Providing Any Aid to the Palestinians?
20:34 What Is the Death Toll in Gaza?
24:31 How Are People in Gaza Getting Food?
29:20 Who Is Johnnie Moore?
32:36 Who Is Funding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation?
38:10 How Is Aguilar Treated by the IDF?
43:17 How Does the IDF Treat Palestinian Civilians?
46:04 The Killing of Palestinians at Aid Distribution Sites
56:47 The Killing of Amir
1:07:12 The Attempts to Discredit Aguilar
1:13:30 What Should the Trump Administration Do About This?
 
Ekklesian said:
So, back to my question, what does a right to exist mean? Everyone seems invoke that in the case of IsraelTM.

I will say that if IsraelTM can exist, and can defend itself from its enemies (as all nations have enemies), then it has every freedom to do so.

But you are saying more than that. You're saying IsraelTM has a claim on my solidarity, on my loyalty, and on my resources above that of any other nation-state. You're saying the whole world is obligated to carve out a piece of Palestine just for IsraelTM, and to defend it.

Isn't that what you mean by a right to exist?
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@biscuit1953

If you're done letting others run interference for you....You've also implied the Bible makes it incumbent upon us to support IsraelTM.

To what degree must that support extend? Isn't it to the extent that I described above?
 
Ekklesian said:
There's nothing that happens that is not part of God's plan, the destruction of Jerusalem, the Spanish Inquisition, German Fascism, etc.
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You just made my point. That being said, if the modern existence of Israel is part of God’s plan, then why are you so obsessively concerned about it?
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
You just made my point. That being said, if the modern existence of Israel is part of God’s plan, then why are you so obsessively concerned about it?
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For the same reasons anyone should be concerned about any evil empire, with this added sacrilege:

Solidarity with IsraelTM is considered sacramental...a means of grace; the Western wall a holy relic.
 
Ekklesian said:
For the same reasons anyone should be concerned about any evil empire, with this added sacrilege:

Solidarity with IsraelTM is considered sacramental...a means of grace; the Western wall a holy relic.
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Do you consider the Third Reich to have been evil? Would you apply that same term to modern Israel in the same fashion?
 
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