One God or three gods in one God

Also, per the Koran, Allah cannot even exist in normal space and time, as always outside of His creation
Your statement is correct, and the Quran says at the same time, "Eight will carry the Throne of your Lord on that Day," meaning it is specific to a certain place.
I will write the text in both Arabic and English.
كلام الاخ صحيح عن الله في الاسلام
ولكن هنالك ايه أخري تقول ويحمل عرش ربك يومئذ ثمانيه هذا يعني أن الله محدد بمكان
 
Another verse says, "Then He ascended the throne," meaning He sat upon the throne.
ايه اخري تقول ثم استوي علي العرش اي انه جلس علي العرس
 
Another verse says, "Then He ascended the throne," meaning He sat upon the throne.
ايه اخري تقول ثم استوي علي العرش اي انه جلس علي العرس
Do not try to distort the meaning. The meaning of "istiwa'a 'ala al-'arsh" means complete power and control over the universe.
 
If something is beautiful, it means he was able to control the universe. Why? Was there anyone competing with him for this power? If you want to interpret this meaning as "equality"
 
You are a trickster
Can you answer this verse? "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." He commanded that He would come again, so how could He not know, since He is God, as the brothers said?
 
If something is beautiful, it means he was able to control the universe. Why? Was there anyone competing with him for this power? If you want to interpret this meaning as "equality"
I don't have a sufficient answer to this question, but I will give you something else. If you are surprised that the Lord Jesus says this, then why aren't you surprised that God Himself says, "O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand. Now God has lightened your burden, for He knows that there is weakness in you. So if there are among you one hundred..." Those who are patient will overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand of you, they will overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. And Allah is with the patient.
ليس لدي الاجابه الكافيه لهذا السوال ولكن سوف اعطيك شي اخر اذا كنت تستغرب من الرب يسوع يقول هذا الشي فلماذا لا تستغرب من الله نفسه حين يقول ليعلم يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى الْقِتَالِ إِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَابِرُونَ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ مِائَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ * الْآنَ خَفَّفَ اللَّهُ عَنْكُمْ وَعَلِمَ أَنَّ فِيكُمْ ضَعْفًا فَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ مِائَةٌ صَابِرَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ أَلْفٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفَيْنِ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ
 
I don't have a sufficient answer to this question, but I will give you something else. If you are surprised that the Lord Jesus says this, then why aren't you surprised that God Himself says, "O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are among you twenty [who are] steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are a people who do not understand. Now God has lightened your burden, for He knows that there is weakness in you. So if there are among you one hundred..." Those who are patient will overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand of you, they will overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. And Allah is with the patient.
ليس لدي الاجابه الكافيه لهذا السوال ولكن سوف اعطيك شي اخر اذا كنت تستغرب من الرب يسوع يقول هذا الشي فلماذا لا تستغرب من الله نفسه حين يقول ليعلم يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى الْقِتَالِ إِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَابِرُونَ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ مِائَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ * الْآنَ خَفَّفَ اللَّهُ عَنْكُمْ وَعَلِمَ أَنَّ فِيكُمْ ضَعْفًا فَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ مِائَةٌ صَابِرَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ أَلْفٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفَيْنِ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ مَعَ الصَّابِرِينَ
If God himself in Islam does not know, then God the Father knows.
 
Do not let anger and hatred blind you to the truth; understand the extent of the contradictions within Islam.
 
Pray and ask the Lord to provide you with the Holy Spirit, and you will find brothers who will help you understand and learn.
 
Your statement is correct, and the Quran says at the same time, "Eight will carry the Throne of your Lord on that Day," meaning it is specific to a certain place.
I will write the text in both Arabic and English.
كلام الاخ صحيح عن الله في الاسلام
ولكن هنالك ايه أخري تقول ويحمل عرش ربك يومئذ ثمانيه هذا يعني أن الله محدد بمكان
Even the Koran stated that Allah was in the burning bush, and also that He comes down to earth in third watch to hear the prayers in Arabic to him, so Islam states Allah cannot enter into creation, yet Koran states that he does?
 
If something is beautiful, it means he was able to control the universe. Why? Was there anyone competing with him for this power? If you want to interpret this meaning as "equality"
Is that like when Allah stated that he is best of the Creators, but also said Jesus and Baal also created?
 
Can you answer this verse? "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." He commanded that He would come again, so how could He not know, since He is God, as the brothers said?
Jesus limited Himself while in human flesh to not know that exact hour, but back in heaven he knows all things once again
 
Monotheism in Islam is the same as monotheism in the Old Testament.
I do not know enough of Islam or the Qu'ran in order to respond here but I would ask this:

Does Islam teach the "Simplicity" of God, That God is not composed of parts?

Does Islam believe in and teach the "Immensity" and "Infinity" of God? That God is infinite in his being and equally present at all points at all times?

Does Islam believe and teach the "Omniscience" of God? That God is all knowing, cognizant of all things at all time?

Monotheism in the Old Testament is the same thing as monotheism in the New Testament. The difference being that the aspects of the "Godhead" are rather obscure with little said regarding the "Son" and the "Holy Spirit" being distinct from the "Father."
 
Your statement is correct, and the Quran says at the same time, "Eight will carry the Throne of your Lord on that Day," meaning it is specific to a certain place.
I will write the text in both Arabic and English.
كلام الاخ صحيح عن الله في الاسلام
ولكن هنالك ايه أخري تقول ويحمل عرش ربك يومئذ ثمانيه هذا يعني أن الله محدد بمكان
You kinda piqued my interest here! I cannot read a lick of Arabic but I do know that it reads "right to left" as does Hebrew. With such being the case, wouldn't your Arabic text be "right Justified" rather than left?
 
You kinda piqued my interest here! I cannot read a lick of Arabic but I do know that it reads "right to left" as does Hebrew. With such being the case, wouldn't your Arabic text be "right Justified" rather than left?
I don't read Arabic either, but this text does appear to indeed read right-to-left, even if the margins don't reflect that.
 
I do not know enough of Islam or the Qu'ran in order to respond here but I would ask this:

Does Islam teach the "Simplicity" of God, That God is not composed of parts?

Does Islam believe in and teach the "Immensity" and "Infinity" of God? That God is infinite in his being and equally present at all points at all times?

Does Islam believe and teach the "Omniscience" of God? That God is all knowing, cognizant of all things at all time?

Monotheism in the Old Testament is the same thing as monotheism in the New Testament. The difference being that the aspects of the "Godhead" are rather obscure with little said regarding the "Son" and the "Holy Spirit" being distinct from the "Father."
Islam Allah denies that he had a So n, denies Jesus died upon the cross, so Allah is not Yahweh
Islam has a big problem in that Allah to them alone as God, yet the Koran itself is also stated to be eternal and uncreated
 
Islam Allah denies that he had a So n, denies Jesus died upon the cross, so Allah is not Yahweh
Islam has a big problem in that Allah to them alone as God, yet the Koran itself is also stated to be eternal and uncreated
The OT scriptures do not speak of the Godhead nor do they speak of one interacting with "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" aside from the "Theophanies" and "Christophanies" that are understood by us to be Christ and perhaps the "Shekinah Glory" of which one may say is the Holy Spirit? He is spoken of by OT believers as the "YHWH God" of whom there is "none else" (Deut 4:35; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 45:5, 6, 14, 18, 22; 46:9).

A Muslim would say that the Qu'ran says "Allah had no son" in response to the Christian belief that he does and that Jesus is the Son of God whereas the OT does not have this frame of reference. Just trying to see thing from the way a Muslim would see it.

Are you saying they believe the Qu'ran to be "eternal and uncreated?" This makes no sense based upon sheer logic! If the Qu'ran is the "Spoken Word of God," OF COURSE it is created and it was created the moment God spoke them! Seems that a thinking Muslim would understand this! Perhaps our friends here can clarify?
 
The OT scriptures do not speak of the Godhead nor do they speak of one interacting with "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" aside from the "Theophanies" and "Christophanies" that are understood by us to be Christ and perhaps the "Shekinah Glory" of which one may say is the Holy Spirit? He is spoken of by OT believers as the "YHWH God" of whom there is "none else" (Deut 4:35; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 45:5, 6, 14, 18, 22; 46:9).

A Muslim would say that the Qu'ran says "Allah had no son" in response to the Christian belief that he does and that Jesus is the Son of God whereas the OT does not have this frame of reference. Just trying to see thing from the way a Muslim would see it.

Are you saying they believe the Qu'ran to be "eternal and uncreated?" This makes no sense based upon sheer logic! If the Qu'ran is the "Spoken Word of God," OF COURSE it is created and it was created the moment God spoke them! Seems that a thinking Muslim would understand this! Perhaps our friends here can clarify?
If a muslim denies Muhammed is the final and greatest prophet, or that the Koran was merely created, both can be cause to suffer capital punishment
 
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