Parable of the tares

Ransom said:
Who are the "saints" mentioned 13 times from Revelation 5 to Revelation 20?
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They aren't the NT Church. They are tribulation saints. The 144,000 Jews that are sealed are described as being from the twelve tribes of Israel in chapter seven.
 
illinoisguy said:
"All expositors connected with State churches, and those who follow their leading, unite in wresting by interpretation in the support of those false churches, by teaching that the FIELD is the VISIBLE STATE CHURCH, in which the notoriously bad must be allowed to grow without disturbance by healthy discipline, thus using God's word to defend corrupt churches and to keep manifestly wicked men in the church. Christ explicitly declares that the FIELD is the WORLD, and not THE CHURCH, which He everywhere commands His servants to keep PURE by the prompt expulsion of all classes of evil men. . . .

"We learn that God denies to the children of the kingdom the use of FORCE, oppression or PERSECUTION. Christian rulers are forbidden the use of the sword or force to EXTIRPATE heretics. While the churches of Christ must be kept pure, the wicked must be permitted to exist in the WORLD, since the attempt to forcibly root them out of it now would break up the foundations of society and destroy the kingdom of Christ, because it would have no material out of which to renew its membership by conversion to itself."

J.R. Graves, "Parables and Prophecies of Christ," published in 1887.
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I think the nature of the doctrine of church discipline, among other things, is the strongest argument against the interpretation that the parable is about the church.
 
biscuit1953 said:
They aren't the NT Church. They are tribulation saints. The 144,000 Jews that are sealed are described as being from the twelve tribes of Israel in chapter seven.
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Where does the author of Revelation inform us that he is using "saints" differently than in the rest of the New Testament?
 
Ransom said:
Where does the author of Revelation inform us that he is using "saints" differently than in the rest of the New Testament?
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If it was the Church, it would say so. It comes down to whether God has a future plan for Israel or not. I believe that to be the case.
 
biscuit1953 said:
If it was the Church, it would say so.
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"The saints" is a common name for Christians, i.e. the church.

How come that isn't "saying so"?

It comes down to whether God has a future plan for Israel or not. I believe that to be the case.
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It comes down to whether you need to jump through a myriad of dispensational hoops to understand the Bible properly. I do not believe that to be the case.
 
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