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What you’ve stated is clear.
You are totally against Jews and for some reason bitter towards those with a certain eschatology.
'America First' Means 'After Israel'
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You are totally against Jews and for some reason bitter towards those with a certain eschatology.
I have no idea if you want to say more. Only you can answer that question.
But you obviously have a suspicion, or you wouldn't have implied I was holding back because of the Moderators.
What do you suspect I want to say?
I've expressed nothing of the sort.
I am opposed to Zionism. In your mind that means I m totally against Jewish people.
Interesting.
I think you’re projecting a bit. My post didn’t even mention you or anyone by name. In fact, my post was about what type of stuff by us all would be said in the absence of rules and moderators (and I’ll include myself in this). I believe you’re projecting though due to some of your posts rubbing people as a little antisemitic.
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Why is it antisemitism if the subject is Israel, Jews, Hebrews, Zionists et al but not Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians, et al. They are all Semitic people.
Never have understood why they decided on that terminology.
Never have understood why they decided on that terminology.
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The German term antisemitisch was coined in the late 19th century specifically as a word for Jew-hatred, and that usage carries on to the present, including its English cognate antisemitic.There is no "semitic" race that antisemitism opposes; the term "semitic" itself is historically used by those same antisemites as a name for Jews.
Insistence on the literal meaning of the term, instead of its common meaning, is itself arguably a manifestation of antisemitism, as it seeks to distract from the specific form of prejudice the term connotes.
Right.
Do you want me to call you an antisemite? Would that make you feel better? I think you lean in that direction, but I don’t know that I’d go as far as others in that assessment.
Feeling martyred much?
Semite:
Semite, obsolete term, popularized in the 19th century, that originally described a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and Tigrinya, among others. The term was later used in an ethnic sense, even though there has never been a shared Semitic identity among Semitic-speaking peoples. When used in that sense, Semite often referred specifically to people of Jewish origin, regardless of what language they spoke, a reflection of the antisemitism that was concurrent in 19th-century Europe.
Because, comparatively, there weren't a whole heckuvalot of Arabs trapsing about Germany and Saxony at the time.
Anti-semitismThe term antisemitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time.
Which we know were just irrational and baseless. Because of the immaculate conception of every rabbi, no guile could ever issue from any of their lips, and they were all so well-behaved.Martin Luther was LIAR!
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And yet, the very thing you quoted cites Arabic as a "Semitic" language, meaning obviously they had knowledge of Arabs as well as Hebrews.
Like "Aryan," "Semitic" is a linguistic term that German racists co-opted into an ethnic one.
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I understood that, and I wasn't specifically responding to your question. What you asked, I have heard antisemites state--with the intent of obfuscating the historic meaning of antisemitic.
A had another article saved about the historian that coined the term, Semitic, in the 1700s, but the link is no longer valid https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism/additional-info#Researchers-Note
But yes, any educated individual in Germany would have known something about the Semetic peoples, the vast majority of whom in Germany were Jewish. The only thing I've read about Marr was a wikipedia article. Apparently he was somewhat of an anarchist, working for German unification, and his opposition to the Jews was their teachings and their refusal to assimilate fully into German culture. It wasn't racial, having been married twice to Jewesses. He wanted the Jews who would not assimilate to leave Germany for Palestine.
So the problem in defining anti-semetism as it is used today isn't really solved when delving into the etymology of the term.
Basically, as it's used today, it's any criticism or questioning of anything remotely Jewish or Israeli, and an indictment of anyone who doesn't buy in wholesale to Zionism. It's just a handy little cudgel to wield when someone is all out of arguments.
It works especially well coupled with Holocaust guilting.
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I want you to be truthful about you think.
Only if it's the truth about your opinion, but you'd better be ready to defend it.
Like I said, you need to be ready to defend it.
What is anti-semitism?
LOL. This is nothing compared to my first year on this board.
I’m not taking the bait and having a lengthy discourse with you about the definition of antisemitism, and whether or not your comments qualify. If you have to ask, then there might be a problem. As I’ve already explained, I think you lean in that direction.
Hmmm. Makes me wonder what you'd really say if the were no moderation of this board.
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Out of respect and appreciation for the Jewish people, we as Christians need to seriously consider the question of what is good for the Jews, and whether an American attack on Iran will help or hurt Jews. See this opinion piece by a Jewish journalist from the Jewish paper Forward:
forward.com
"I believe history will judge a war of regime change — especially if Donald Trump brings our country in — as an epic catastrophe whose magnitude will exceed George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq by several orders. . . . if we do join in, a U.S. population that never sought this war and was not prepped for it in any way by its leaders (unlike with Bush) will view Israel as having sucked the U.S. into its own fight, with the associated costs in treasure and possibly blood. . . .
"If Trump does join in with Israel’s attack, American Jews also should be aware that they will be associated with the consequences, however they turn out. The reasons will include unmistakable antisemitism, with its classical charges of dual loyalty; but also a Jewish state that itself claims to speak and act for all Jews and the political positioning of most of the organized American Jewish community in support of Israel’s attack."
When it comes to regime change in Iran, Jews should be careful what they wish for
While some have applauded Israel's attack, both American Jews and Donald Trump need to consider what comes next.
forward.com
"I believe history will judge a war of regime change — especially if Donald Trump brings our country in — as an epic catastrophe whose magnitude will exceed George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq by several orders. . . . if we do join in, a U.S. population that never sought this war and was not prepped for it in any way by its leaders (unlike with Bush) will view Israel as having sucked the U.S. into its own fight, with the associated costs in treasure and possibly blood. . . .
"If Trump does join in with Israel’s attack, American Jews also should be aware that they will be associated with the consequences, however they turn out. The reasons will include unmistakable antisemitism, with its classical charges of dual loyalty; but also a Jewish state that itself claims to speak and act for all Jews and the political positioning of most of the organized American Jewish community in support of Israel’s attack."
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Much like questioning the idea of reparations for slavery makes you a racist defender of slavery. Or so I have been told when questioning the idea of reparations.
