Ben Fields: Hero or rogue cop?

[Ransom]

Biker, I've just deleted one of your posts because of vulgarity.

I've already warned you in this thread to keep your language civil. If you can't accomplish that, be somewhere else.

Thank you.

Scott
Moderator

 

[Biker]

Biker, I've just deleted one of your posts because of vulgarity.

I've already warned you in this thread to keep your language civil. If you can't accomplish that, be somewhere else.

Thank you.

Scott
Moderator

Please send me a message of what word you are sensitive to. I don't know of any vulgarity. Or post it with astericks

 

[Ransom]

I've already warned you in this thread to keep your language civil. If you can't accomplish that, be somewhere else.

You are fully aware of what you posted. No, I'm not going to waste my time rewriting it for you. I have a delete button.

 

[praise_yeshua]

She was quietly texting, that is not combative by any nature of the word "beligerent". Beligerent is calling an assault victim names, at the very least.

Epic Fail

slapping at a cop when he approaches you..(for any reason)... is both combative and belligerent....... apparently you didn;t watch the video either...... ....... or else you are no different than the cop and you just allow your emotions and ego to drive you into a violent frothing at the mouth frenzy........... .........

oh wait..... .... forgot who i was talking to............... never mind........  :

Epic Fail again.
She didn't "slap a cop" when he approached her. At least try to post accurate information, read the story a few different places. Watch the video a few different times.

After he attacked her, she tried to defend herself throwing punches.

Epic Fail again

EPIC FAIL PERV
she punched at him after he moved in and attempted to grab her ...... and i agree his actions were wrong..... ... but tell us oh brave biker...... how would you have handled this situation?............ would you have lifted her face up to yours and given her a kiss?.......... invited over to your house to watch you run around naked?...... posted another "please help" thread and waited for replies?.........

you want to talk about epic fails?....... go back and re-read your own trash.......... you are the person on this forum least qualified to tell anyone else what to do regarding children........

EPIC FAIL AGAIN

You came back to talk sexually perverse in a topic that has nothing to do with that. Please stop druging up lies.

And no, I wouldn't advocate you being thrown across the room for talking dirty either, trying to use people here to exaggerate and lie

via stories. Not appropriate for the forum and not appropriate in a high school classroom.

I think we pretty much remember what you liked to talk about. You've settled down some since then but you were pretty crazy in what you wrote when you first came to this forum.

You owe her an apology. You had no right to say what you said in response to her. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Its rather ironic that you would defend the girl in the video and then attack an innocent person with things that shouldn't be so easily "thrown around".

You sir..... are trash.

No body brought anything sexual to the table until she showed up. It was only a matter of time.

I don't care how many people think others are perverts here, it doesn't belong in the thread.

Debate the topic, leave the personal put downs of this assault victim out of it. . None of this promoting child abuse and bringing x rated talk into the forum is part of the topic.

She busted you and you got personal. You have no idea how difficult it is for a victim of such things to put up with trashy people who want to bash a victim of abuse......solely because you can't be a man......and support what you say otherwise.

 

[Biker]

I've already warned you in this thread to keep your language civil. If you can't accomplish that, be somewhere else.

You are fully aware of what you posted. No, I'm not going to waste my time rewriting it for you. I have a delete button.

I have no clue. I've reviewed and only see some sexually perverted made up story about me inviting a girl to my house to see me naked. Then kissing her. That is something you can delete while you are at it, it is steamy yes but a bit rediculous. This sex story conjured up has nothing to do with the topic

 

[Biker]

She was quietly texting, that is not combative by any nature of the word "beligerent". Beligerent is calling an assault victim names, at the very least.

Epic Fail

slapping at a cop when he approaches you..(for any reason)... is both combative and belligerent....... apparently you didn;t watch the video either...... ....... or else you are no different than the cop and you just allow your emotions and ego to drive you into a violent frothing at the mouth frenzy........... .........

oh wait..... .... forgot who i was talking to............... never mind........  :

Epic Fail again.
She didn't "slap a cop" when he approached her. At least try to post accurate information, read the story a few different places. Watch the video a few different times.

After he attacked her, she tried to defend herself throwing punches.

Epic Fail again

EPIC FAIL PERV
she punched at him after he moved in and attempted to grab her ...... and i agree his actions were wrong..... ... but tell us oh brave biker...... how would you have handled this situation?............ would you have lifted her face up to yours and given her a kiss?.......... invited over to your house to watch you run around naked?...... posted another "please help" thread and waited for replies?.........

you want to talk about epic fails?....... go back and re-read your own trash.......... you are the person on this forum least qualified to tell anyone else what to do regarding children........

EPIC FAIL AGAIN

You came back to talk sexually perverse in a topic that has nothing to do with that. Please stop druging up lies.

And no, I wouldn't advocate you being thrown across the room for talking dirty either, trying to use people here to exaggerate and lie

via stories. Not appropriate for the forum and not appropriate in a high school classroom.

I think we pretty much remember what you liked to talk about. You've settled down some since then but you were pretty crazy in what you wrote when you first came to this forum.

You owe her an apology. You had no right to say what you said in response to her. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Its rather ironic that you would defend the girl in the video and then attack an innocent person with things that shouldn't be so easily "thrown around".

You sir..... are trash.

No body brought anything sexual to the table until she showed up. It was only a matter of time.

I don't care how many people think others are perverts here, it doesn't belong in the thread.

Debate the topic, leave the personal put downs of this assault victim out of it. . None of this promoting child abuse and bringing x rated talk into the forum is part of the topic.

She busted you and you got personal. You have no idea how difficult it is for a victim of such things to put up with trashy people who want to bash a victim of abuse......solely because you can't be a man......and support what you say otherwise.

  Again, nothing sexual about this discussion yet it got x rated and way into some wild fantasy of hers.
She can do that in her own head not involving me, or others, nor this discussion which doesn't adhere to such. If someone wants to talk dirty outside of this topic, at least send a pm (which can be deleted)

No one deserves to be called names like beligerant or a delinquent. Those that do have a mindset of abuse and those that support them also do. TRUTH, not wild lies, is what breaks the cycle

 

[Ransom]

I have no clue.

Evidently.

In any case, my decision is final. It's not up to me to explain to you what constitutes vulgarity. It's up to you not to be vulgar. This would be a good time to start.

Discussion over.

 

[T-Bone]

As to the question in the OP,  I have no idea if he is a hero or a rogue cop.   I am curious to know what would be an effective way to remove a belligerent student who refuses to move.  Surely police are trained to legally handle such matters.

You see the video of a child being assaulted just as clear as we do.

You err in assuming I watched the video. I do not watch videos posted here or on news sites which state that a person is being assaulted.  Can't stomach it.

Sheesh is this a joke? If not, you are truly psychotic.

You "can't stomach" watching videos of assault victim yet you can verbally attack them calling them names like beligerent?
all for texting quietly on her phone? We wouldn't want you to feel uncomfortable badmouthing that girl whose arm is in a cast,  bruses on her body, with major back problems. As long as you are feeling comfortable while you spout verbal abuse at a crime victim that is all we care about. She could live in an apartment complex too, imagine that!!
Get a job lady. Right now. Get off this website, get off your tuff, just get a fricken job. Obey your boss, do what he/she tells you without having any issues. Don't insult anyone either. Pretend you are a normal person in society with half a conscious. And for God's Sake's, USE BIRTH CONTROL

i did watch the video..... and like it or not.... belligerent  - (which is an adjective describing a combative mindset bent on confrontation...)... is exactly the word that came to my mind when i saw the female student refuse to obey lawful commands then slap at the cop when he approached her......

but what the cop did next was totally inexcusable and i firmly believe he deserved to be fired........ when life is not at stake and a combative individual has to be subdued it is taught to persons with authority and a responsibility to act to get help.... as much help as is needed...... in order to make a controlled and well managed arrest of the individual.. reducing the possibility of injury to both the other person... themselves... and also bystanders......

what the cop did instead was allow his ego and anger at being challenged by a girl to awaken his own belligerent nature ..... and then he turned what should have been a simple removal of a student from class, into an mma style throw down.......... his response was totally unnecessary and way over the top........ not unlike your own over the top and nasty and very belligerent response to jr church.......that was completely uncalled for ....... we get it.... you don;t like her........ but she didn;t say anything out of line, and i think you owe her an apology..........




What she said....is is the best evaluation of the video incident & and of Biker!

 

[T-Bone]

Biker...you can stop the false accusations against what aleshanee has posted in this thread...those of us who have been here, know what you wrote, and she has got your number.  For you to continue would just further that you are the liar here and that your ravings have no basis in reality!

 

[FreeToBeMe]

For some reason, You, Tom Brenner, and Alayman are always trying to promote child abuse. Tom Brenner goes much further, he's truly the most dangerous kook on the FFF. Alaymans already called this assault victim a delinquent. Let's wait for Tom Brenner's sick name calling.

I'll take it one step further and call her a thug and disrespectful little turd.

I may be a "freebird", but I don't believe school officials should have to put up with crap that some kids throw out nowadays.

 

[qwerty]

http://www.youngcons.com/breaking-tons-of-students-walk-out-in-protestover-officer-who-was-fired/

 

[rsc2a]

http://www.youngcons.com/breaking-tons-of-students-walk-out-in-protestover-officer-who-was-fired/

So when do these kids get beat down for usurping authority?

 

[Bruh]

So the way to resolve non-violent rebellion is to respond with violence. Got it.  :

The kid should have gotten up the first time she was told to do so, by the teacher, then the principal, then the law.  I think my first post covered this.  The way of the transgressor is hard.

No doubt. But the administration and ESPECIALLY a police officer, should have other tactics in hand other than physical force.

The home I was raised in, if I would've got home and complained and or my parents had to be called in because of this, both my parents response to me would've been:

#1. Why didn't you listen when they told you what to do?

#2. None of this would've happened if you would've done what they told you.

#3. If you didn't do anything wrong you don't have nothing to worry about.

#4. You made ur bed now sleep in it.

And I'm not just saying this, I can't tell you how many times numbers 1 through 4 were told to me.

But that's just how my parents did it.

And to the glory of God ALL their children (all boys) know how to take and handle responsibility. ALL of their children are in there 30's and ALL of their children are bosses and are RESPONSIBLE for others on the job.

WHY, bc we were taught that we make our beds and will have to sleep in them.

Where have I defended the girl's actions? Nowhere. What I suggest is that violence is NO WAY to respond to non-violent aggression.

No, she did not deserve to get her arm broken for what she did. Using your argument, a girl who wears a short skirt deserved it if she was raped, simply because she 'made her bed' and now has to 'sleep in it'.

No that's different not the same.

I must admit, I didn't read the article, that being said, I have to say broken arm and messed up back is more than excessive.

Yeah I think my dad would've been arrested for crushing the cops face in.

 

[qwerty]

http://www.youngcons.com/breaking-tons-of-students-walk-out-in-protestover-officer-who-was-fired/

So when do these kids get beat down for usurping authority?

Apparently you did but read the article.....

"The students walked into the school atrium and then returned to class after administrators addressed them."

 

[rsc2a]

Yup. Disrupting class. That's worth at least a broken bone or two.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Lesson learned by the rest of the class: don't trust white cops. They have it out for you.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Lesson learned by the rest of the class: don't trust white cops. They have it out for you.

My coworker told me of a similar incident that happened about 30 years ago (at a time when he and I were both in highschool).  To make a long story short, the student was being a butthead and wadded up a homework assignment then threw it down in the floor.  It's not all that different than what this student did (though he was white, as was the teacher).  The teacher, without a word,  picked him by the scruff of the neck and drug him up through the aisle, desks and stuff flying everywhere, and tossed him out into the hallway.  They then administered the customary 5 swats to the backside, and returned him to the class.  Neither he, nor anybody else in the class had another disruption the rest of the year.  Maybe your perspective is relative to your own emotional bias.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Lesson learned by the rest of the class: don't trust white cops. They have it out for you.

My coworker told me of a similar incident that happened about 30 years ago (at a time when he and I were both in highschool).  To make a long story short, the student was being a butthead and wadded up a homework assignment then threw it down in the floor.  It's not all that different than what this student did (though he was white, as was the teacher).  The teacher, without a word,  picked him by the scruff of the neck and drug him up through the aisle, desks and stuff flying everywhere, and tossed him out into the hallway.  They then administered the customary 5 swats to the backside, and returned him to the class.  Neither he, nor anybody else in the class had another disruption the rest of the year.  Maybe your perspective is relative to your own emotional bias.

So the end justifies the means.

I bet if the teacher fired a weapon in the air, or put a knife to the throat of the kid and threatened to kill him, that would have kept the peace for the remainder of the year also.

Perhaps my perspective IS relative to my own emotional bias. I won't deny that. Physical violence is NOT the answer. If this was a continuing problem, school administration should have not let her in the class or found another solution. If this was a singular instance, they should have moved her out of the class. If she refused to go, move the class to the gym for the day and keep her there until a parent or guardian could come get her.

A few years ago when I was unemployed, I was a substitute teacher for an elementary school. In first grade, there was a particular kid who was completely disruptive, would bring in pictures of knives and guns, would bring in dolls with amputated limbs or head and even carried around a Barbie with a noose around the neck. This was FIRST GRADE. He would physically bang his head on the desk and tell his mom the teacher was hitting him.

The school was at wits end and hired me for the entire semester to take him to the back of the class and teach him one-on-one. Guess what? I became his friend and he was able to learn his studies and his grades improved. When he did things with the class, I stood next to him. I never had to grab him or even threaten discipline but rather worked on getting him to focus. He took his EOG tests in a room by himself but he passed easily. He never banged his head when I was there and his mom said he actually settled down a little at home. He had tremendous social and attention deficit issues and they were not being dealt with at home so the problems happened at school.

The school asked me to come back the following fall but I had found a job and could not sub again. Point being is not that I have the answers because I just wing it, but there are other alternatives to dealing with disruptive students and threats and violence are not required.

If that makes me emotionally biased, I will own it.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

http://www.youngcons.com/breaking-tons-of-students-walk-out-in-protestover-officer-who-was-fired/

So when do these kids get beat down for usurping authority?

Apparently you did but read the article.....

"The students walked into the school atrium and then returned to class after administrators addressed them."

Keep in mind there is a Facebook support page for Jack Schaap.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Lesson learned by the rest of the class: don't trust white cops. They have it out for you.

My coworker told me of a similar incident that happened about 30 years ago (at a time when he and I were both in highschool).  To make a long story short, the student was being a butthead and wadded up a homework assignment then threw it down in the floor.  It's not all that different than what this student did (though he was white, as was the teacher).  The teacher, without a word,  picked him by the scruff of the neck and drug him up through the aisle, desks and stuff flying everywhere, and tossed him out into the hallway.  They then administered the customary 5 swats to the backside, and returned him to the class.  Neither he, nor anybody else in the class had another disruption the rest of the year.  Maybe your perspective is relative to your own emotional bias.

So the end justifies the means.

I bet if the teacher fired a weapon in the air, or put a knife to the throat of the kid and threatened to kill him, that would have kept the peace for the remainder of the year also.

Perhaps my perspective IS relative to my own emotional bias. I won't deny that. Physical violence is NOT the answer. If this was a continuing problem, school administration should have not let her in the class or found another solution. If this was a singular instance, they should have moved her out of the class. If she refused to go, move the class to the gym for the day and keep her there until a parent or guardian could come get her.

A few years ago when I was unemployed, I was a substitute teacher for an elementary school. In first grade, there was a particular kid who was completely disruptive, would bring in pictures of knives and guns, would bring in dolls with amputated limbs or head and even carried around a Barbie with a noose around the neck. This was FIRST GRADE. He would physically bang his head on the desk and tell his mom the teacher was hitting him.

The school was at wits end and hired me for the entire semester to take him to the back of the class and teach him one-on-one. Guess what? I became his friend and he was able to learn his studies and his grades improved. When he did things with the class, I stood next to him. I never had to grab him or even threaten discipline but rather worked on getting him to focus. He took his EOG tests in a room by himself but he passed easily. He never banged his head when I was there and his mom said he actually settled down a little at home. He had tremendous social and attention deficit issues and they were not being dealt with at home so the problems happened at school.

The school asked me to come back the following fall but I had found a job and could not sub again. Point being is not that I have the answers because I just wing it, but there are other alternatives to dealing with disruptive students and threats and violence are not required.

If that makes me emotionally biased, I will own it.

No, the ends doesnt' justify the means.  As I've already stated, I'm conflicted, mostly because the cop appears to have had a history of excessive force.  But comparing the event that occurred to threatening a life with a knife is a bit of a stretch.  Yes, he could and should have handled it better, but if you want to be known as a bad*** then you're gonna earn those stripes, and she did.