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Convicting. Or Should Be.
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The morally pure, pro-trans Democrat version goes to 99.
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Martin Luther, in his kill the Jews writings, lent credence to the blood libel, accepting the Jewish use of Christian blood as fact.
How did they obtain this treasure? Was it by industry or by theft and oppression? More on this later...
(Also...whom was he advising, and it what context? Hint: It wasn't Christians in general as you trying to assert...hopefully ignorantly.)
More accurately, I understand it, but more on that later.
Aren't you listening to the interviews? Again...this Jew says this rash of violence is due to the atrocities committed by the Zionists. He blames IsraelTM for it.
...the Zionist state of Israel, that is killing Palestinians, and beating and killing and assassinating rabbis and Jews, and causing a hate, a rift between Jews and Muslims. They exacerbate this hate, that was never there [before the existence of the Israeli state]
(But, again, more on that a little later.)
Maybe respond to what he is saying. Where is he getting it wrong? Is it possible he sees something you don't? Is he not Jewish enough for you?
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Oy vey!
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Jew hatred will only continue until the return of Jesus Christ and Christians who defend Hamas and other hate groups will one day answer for their actions. Zionism (which is nothing more than recognizing the right of Israel to exist) has nothing to do with the current wave of terror against the Jewish people because for the past 2,000 years Jews have been persecuted when there was no Jewish state to blame. Ekklesian™ who attempts to blame the atrocities in the Middle East on the Jews is no different than Nazi Germany who did the same thing. The prophecy by the Nazi regime that there would never be a Jewish state failed just as the current attempts to eradicate Israel will fail.
“This criminal race has the two million dead of the (First) World War on their conscience, and now hundreds of thousands. Let no one say to me: we cannot send them into the mire. Who concerns themselves about our men? It is good if preceding us is the terror that we are exterminating the Jews. The attempt to found a Jewish state will fail.”
Greg Laurie gives us a good history lesson on the rapidly growing anti-Semitism around the world.
“This criminal race has the two million dead of the (First) World War on their conscience, and now hundreds of thousands. Let no one say to me: we cannot send them into the mire. Who concerns themselves about our men? It is good if preceding us is the terror that we are exterminating the Jews. The attempt to found a Jewish state will fail.”
—To Himmer and Heydrich in Hitler’s command headquarters
October 25, 1941
October 25, 1941
Greg Laurie gives us a good history lesson on the rapidly growing anti-Semitism around the world.
It's clear that the only real Jew to you is a Zionist Jew.
That old "right to exist" red herring is just mendacious rhetoric intended to mitigate IsraelTM's crimes and shift the focus away from them..."Israel", as a name for the state, being a lie itself—and a deadly lie (talk of your blood libels). It is the same as if the state of Christianity were established in Palestine, Overton's Christian flag adopted as its symbol, and then professed that the state of Christianity was Christianity itself, declared Christians the rightful owners of the land and displaced the people who possessed it for over a thousand years, then asserted Christianity's "right to exist" when it demanded the world to defend it from those retaliating against its brazen imperialism.
But it's becoming evident that there are a great many religious Jews, mostly orthodox it seems, opposing IsraelTM and professing that Zionism is a monstrous aberration and a violation of the Torah...nothing Jewish about it. They're saying outright that IsraelTM does not have the right to exist, and should be dissolved and the land returned to the Palestinians.
I'll bet you never expected that.
Maybe you should hear them out...oh, but they're not the right kind of Jew for you, are they? These are Jews who identify Israel as the Jewish people, and who identify a Jew, not as an ethnicity nor a member of a certain race, but as an adherent of Judaism, or, more broadly, one under the obligation to keep the Torah. They say Sinai is what makes a Jew, as there were a significant number of non-Hebrews among the children of Israel at Sinai.
Christian Zionism, as far as I'm concerned, is an antichrist heresy, and has blood on its hands.
As far as a right to exist, I'm a bit more liberal, and say, as I've already said, if IsraelTM has the power to exist, without demanding vastly disproportionate allied, i.e., American, might to back them up and enforce their fluid borders, then it has every freedom to do so.
But the fact that Israel'sTM existence depends so heavily upon numerous lies and American cash and American bombs should tell you that this isn't the "miraculous regathering" for which you so thirstily pant.
By right to exist you clearly mean something other than the mere right of, say, Syria, or Yemen, or even Peru to exist. By your own words, you mean Zionism and its mandates.
Thank you for finally answering the question.
Zionism is a mandate to the world.
That old "right to exist" red herring is just mendacious rhetoric intended to mitigate IsraelTM's crimes and shift the focus away from them..."Israel", as a name for the state, being a lie itself—and a deadly lie (talk of your blood libels). It is the same as if the state of Christianity were established in Palestine, Overton's Christian flag adopted as its symbol, and then professed that the state of Christianity was Christianity itself, declared Christians the rightful owners of the land and displaced the people who possessed it for over a thousand years, then asserted Christianity's "right to exist" when it demanded the world to defend it from those retaliating against its brazen imperialism.
But it's becoming evident that there are a great many religious Jews, mostly orthodox it seems, opposing IsraelTM and professing that Zionism is a monstrous aberration and a violation of the Torah...nothing Jewish about it. They're saying outright that IsraelTM does not have the right to exist, and should be dissolved and the land returned to the Palestinians.
I'll bet you never expected that.
Maybe you should hear them out...oh, but they're not the right kind of Jew for you, are they? These are Jews who identify Israel as the Jewish people, and who identify a Jew, not as an ethnicity nor a member of a certain race, but as an adherent of Judaism, or, more broadly, one under the obligation to keep the Torah. They say Sinai is what makes a Jew, as there were a significant number of non-Hebrews among the children of Israel at Sinai.
Christian Zionism, as far as I'm concerned, is an antichrist heresy, and has blood on its hands.
As far as a right to exist, I'm a bit more liberal, and say, as I've already said, if IsraelTM has the power to exist, without demanding vastly disproportionate allied, i.e., American, might to back them up and enforce their fluid borders, then it has every freedom to do so.
But the fact that Israel'sTM existence depends so heavily upon numerous lies and American cash and American bombs should tell you that this isn't the "miraculous regathering" for which you so thirstily pant.
By right to exist you clearly mean something other than the mere right of, say, Syria, or Yemen, or even Peru to exist. By your own words, you mean Zionism and its mandates.
Thank you for finally answering the question.
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The Zionists are certainly killing a lot of babies in persuit of their idol. Netanyahu propped up Hamas in Palestine, allowed the attack he knew was imminent on Oct. 7, delayed the response to increase the body count...
And all just to create a justification to raze Gaza and effect his own genocide.
He does this in the name of Israel. And you wonder why random violence against the Jews has spiked.
And he does it with American might.
And you wonder why Iran chants "death to America."
BTW, Iran is only months away from a bomb.
And you wonder why Iran chants "death to America."
BTW, Iran is only months away from a bomb.
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You didn’t address my post but deflected by saying Netanyahu was a Palestinian collaborator. Bet you’re great at dodgeball.
You are so full of it. You do rival Trump in ego and self love, though.
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Does that mean we hold Israel as sn ally? Duh.
I know why they chant death
to America. They hate us and want to destroy us. Duh.
You have a great intelligence network, no doubt headed by Bozo the Clown.
Submitted with the respect Herr Ekk is due.
That's hotsy totsy Nazi to you. If you can't be witty, keep it gay.
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So I looked up this Montagu. He was the only Jew in Prime Minister Lloyd George's Cabinet. The Balfour Declaration was revised in large part due to his influence, being changed from a commitment to make the whole of Palestine a Jewish state, with nothing said about the rights of the existing inhabitants, to a commitment to the establishment of a national home for the Jews in Palestine, and to a commitment to safe-guard the rights of privileges of the existing Palestinians. ('Right!' said the Zionists, wink wink.)
Still, he considered the Balfour Declaration an anti-Semitic act, and wrote his famous memorandum to warn of the dangers the establishment of a Jewish nation posed to Jews and to the other nations.
He warned first that Zionism was, itself, anti-Semitic, and that, especially in the rise of Nationalism after the first world war, the new British policy would prove a rallying ground for Anti-Semites in every country in the world.
THE ANTI-SEMITISM OF THE PRESENT GOVERNMENT (Circulated by the Secretary of State for India)
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I have always understood that those who indulged in this creed were largely animated by the restrictions, upon and refusal of liberty to Jews in Russia. But at the very time when these Jews have been acknowledged as Jewish Russians and given all liberties, it seems to be inconceivable that Zionism should be officially recognised by the British Government, and that Mr. Balfour should be authorised to say that Palestine was to be reconstituted as the "national home of the Jewish people". I do not know what this involves, but I assume that it means that Mohammedans and Christians are to make way for the Jews, and that the Jews should he put in all positions of preference and should be peculiarly associated with Palestine in the same way that England is with the English or France with the French, that Turks and other Mohammedans in Palestine will be regarded as foreigners, just in the same way as Jews will hereafter be treated as foreigners in every country but Palestine. Perhaps also citizenship must be granted only as a result of a religious test. l lay down with emphasis four principles:
1. I assert that there is not a Jewish nation...It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation.
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2. When the Jews are told that Palestine is their national home, every country will immediately desire to get rid of its Jewish citizens, and you will find a population in Palestine driving out it's present inhabitants, taking all the best in the country...and I certainly do not dissent from the view, commonly held, as I have always understood, by the Jews before Zionism was invented, that to bring the Jews back to form a nation in the country from which they were dispersed would require Divine leadership. I have never heard it suggested, even by their most fervent admirers, that either Mr. Balfour or Lord Rothschild would prove to be the Messiah.
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I would willingly disfranchise every Zionist. I would be almost tempted to proscribe the Zionist organization as illegal and against the national interest. But I would ask of a British Government sufficient tolerance to refuse to endorse a conclusion that makes aliens and foreigners by implication, if not at once by law, of alI their Jewish fellowcitizens.
3. I deny that Palestine is today associated with the Jews or properly to be regarded as a fit place for them to live in. The Ten Commandments were delivered to the Jews on Sinai. [Meaning their religion was not founded in Palestine.] It is quite true that Palestine plays a large part in Jewish history, but so it does in modern Mohammedan history, and, after the time of the Jews, surely it plays a larger part than any other country in Christian history.
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4. I can easily understand the editors of the Morning Post and of the New Witness being Zionists, and I am not in the least surprised that the non-Jews of England may welcome this policy. I have always recognised the unpopularity, much greater than some people think, of my community. We have obtained a far greater share of this country's goods and opportunities than we are numerically entitled to...Many of us have been exclusive in our friendships and intolerant in our attitude, and I can easily understand that many a non-Jew in England wants to get rid of us. But just as there is no community of thought and mode of life among Christian Englishmen, So there is not among Jewish Englishmen.
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But when the Jew has a national home, surely it follows that the impetus to deprive us of the rights of British citizenship must be enormously increased. Palestine will become the world's Ghetto. Why should the Russian give the Jew equal rights? His national home is Palestine. Why does Lord Rothschild attach so much importance to the difference between British and foreign Jews? All Jews will be foreign Jews, inhabitants of the great country of Palestine. ...the Jew will have the choice, whatever country he belongs to, whatever country he loves, whatever country he regards himself as an integral part of, between going to live with people who are foreigners to him, but to whom his Christian fellow-countrymen have told him he shall belong, and of remaining as an unwelcome guest in me country that thought he belonged to.
I am not surprised that the Government should take this step after the formation of a Jewish Regiment...I can well understand that when it was decided, and quite rightly, to force foreign Jews in this country to serve in the Army, it was difficult to put them in British regiments because of the language difficulty, but that was because they were foreigners, and not because they were Jews, and a Foreign Legion would seem to me to have been the right thing to establish. A Jewish Legion makes the position of Jews in other regiments more difficult and forces a nationality upon people who have nothing in common.
I feel that the Government are asked to be the intrument for carrying out the wishes of a Zionist organisation largely run, as my information goes, at any rate in the past, by men of enemy descent or birth, and by this means have dealt a severe blow to the liberties, position and opportunities of service of their fellow-countrymen.
Also in the cited document are documents about the sentiments of the Palestinian Jews of the time and how they differ with those of the Zionists, and of how almost universally rabbis worldwide denounced the doctrine for same reasons.
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On IsraelTM, not the Jews.
According to this Rabbi, you've fallen for Zionist propaganda. Jews had their "Golden History" in Muslim nations prior to the Zionist state of Israel, he says.
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And so did this Holocaust survivor
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“Our goal is to push young men to become actual Christians.”
Interviewer: You are an anti-Semite, you hate Jews.
Cory Mueller: I wouldn’t say that I hate Jews. I think religious Jews are certainly the enemy.
Interviewer: Mueller calls the Holocaust “an anti-German blood libel.”
Interviewer: If Hitler killed millions of Jews would you have a problem with that?
Cory Mueller: I don’t have a problem with genocide perse because God commanded it in the Old Testament of the Canaanites. The leader of whatever concrete Christian Nationalist movement eventually (soon) arises in the American context will necessarily be Lutheran or Presbyterian – the other traditions simply do not have what it will take to see through this. I think that a lot of Baptists do not read the scriptures and believe what they have read. They would have no place in the Christian Nationalist government.
Ekklesian™: “I'm beginning to think the only refuge is a Presbyterian church.”
Cory Mueller: Jews who are practicing Jews pray multiple times a day to curse Christians. The Jews also own the pornography “industry” and wield it as a weapon against Whites, particularly White Christians. They admit that. Look at what the Jews themselves say in their own papers.
Interviewer: That is just not true.
Cory Mueller: I can get you the article but that is literally a quote from a Jew.
Ekklesian™: He says he can prove that Israel is not Israel and that they are responsible for anti-Semitism because he can quote a Jewish Rabbi and a Holocaust survivor.
Cory Mueller: Our enemies are ontologically evil; no means are morally impermissible in pursuit of exterminating them.
Interviewer: Most disturbing is Mueller’s view that a future American Hitler would be justified in rounding up and exterminating Jews or any other peoples deemed to be the enemy.
Mueller was asked, “Why should we not conclude that your viewpoint is evil?” His answer, “If men can formulate an argument that is based on God’s word that is sound and against what I have said then by all means they should listen to God and not me.”
Ekklesian™ has perverted the scriptures and Covenant Theology to justify his anti-Semitism. He has nothing but hatred in his heart for those whom Christ died and I have nothing else to say to him.
Interviewer: You are an anti-Semite, you hate Jews.
Cory Mueller: I wouldn’t say that I hate Jews. I think religious Jews are certainly the enemy.
Interviewer: Mueller calls the Holocaust “an anti-German blood libel.”
Interviewer: If Hitler killed millions of Jews would you have a problem with that?
Cory Mueller: I don’t have a problem with genocide perse because God commanded it in the Old Testament of the Canaanites. The leader of whatever concrete Christian Nationalist movement eventually (soon) arises in the American context will necessarily be Lutheran or Presbyterian – the other traditions simply do not have what it will take to see through this. I think that a lot of Baptists do not read the scriptures and believe what they have read. They would have no place in the Christian Nationalist government.
Ekklesian™: “I'm beginning to think the only refuge is a Presbyterian church.”
Cory Mueller: Jews who are practicing Jews pray multiple times a day to curse Christians. The Jews also own the pornography “industry” and wield it as a weapon against Whites, particularly White Christians. They admit that. Look at what the Jews themselves say in their own papers.
Interviewer: That is just not true.
Cory Mueller: I can get you the article but that is literally a quote from a Jew.
Ekklesian™: He says he can prove that Israel is not Israel and that they are responsible for anti-Semitism because he can quote a Jewish Rabbi and a Holocaust survivor.
Cory Mueller: Our enemies are ontologically evil; no means are morally impermissible in pursuit of exterminating them.
Interviewer: Most disturbing is Mueller’s view that a future American Hitler would be justified in rounding up and exterminating Jews or any other peoples deemed to be the enemy.
Mueller was asked, “Why should we not conclude that your viewpoint is evil?” His answer, “If men can formulate an argument that is based on God’s word that is sound and against what I have said then by all means they should listen to God and not me.”
Ekklesian™ has perverted the scriptures and Covenant Theology to justify his anti-Semitism. He has nothing but hatred in his heart for those whom Christ died and I have nothing else to say to him.
Before you bail, tell me how you got the superscript to work....Ah the Character Map™ app! I'd forgot all about that.
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This rabbi, and by far he's not the only one, is calling for the peaceful dissolution of the state of Israel, and believes that time of its end is very close.
Please if you want to help Jews, bring a peaceful dismantlement of this terrible, Zionist, murdering State. Bring peace in the area. Give back the land for the Palestinians—not a two-state. A two-state will never succeed. Again, I'm coming from the point of the religion, the Jews have no right to rule even one inch of a land. Jews have to stay in Exile until the coming of Messiah, so give back the land from the Palestinians. From The River To The Sea.
If there is a will there is a way. You will find the way how to do it peacefully, and, again, according to the religion, this will happen at the end.
Again, this will happen.
I'm not a prophet, but I'm just saying the words of the Torah. This will happen.
If there is a will there is a way. You will find the way how to do it peacefully, and, again, according to the religion, this will happen at the end.
Again, this will happen.
I'm not a prophet, but I'm just saying the words of the Torah. This will happen.
I think he's right. Netanyahu has destabilized Israel™. It's falling apart. And, unless the time of the revelation of the Man of Sin is at hand, I think the Zionist state of Israel will fail. But I don't think it will be bloodless or peaceful. I also think the U.S. should stay out of it.
But that doesn't mean @biscuit1953 should lose faith. The prophecies he is reading haven't failed. He just can't get over the Scofield hump.
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Nothing here has anything to do with anything talked about. And I have nothing to do with Cory Mahler. But here is a debate with him and James White, and a fun reaction from a noted Post Millennialist.