Donald Trump

[abcaines]

We never even tried. The Republicans have been leading us with the Roe v Wade carrot for decades. They are not friends of the gospel.

I can't argue with that very much.

Frankly, I'd like to see both the Dems and the GOP taken out of power, period. I'd like to see our two party system done away with but I can't imagine what would take its place.

That is why I will hold my nose and vote my conscience (or as close to it as I can).

The primaries is the place to advocate for the candidate of your choice. If he doesn't win the nomination, at least you tried. The general elections is not the place to gripe about it.

 

[subllibrm]

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible."

- Donald Trump

Seems to be true around these here parts.

 

[abcaines]

The church is going to have to repent of her idolatry in worshiping the political process. The answer has never been to fix the country with policies and regulations. Our generation has played the political game while shirking our responsibilities to change the world by way of the gospel.

Judgement is coming and the church cannot deny her negligence.

Agreed.

 

[subllibrm]

Sadly the same in Ohio.

I saw that.

 

[FSSL]

We never even tried. The Republicans have been leading us with the Roe v Wade carrot for decades. They are not friends of the gospel.

BTW it was amended here by a huge majority so there will be nothing easy about overturning it with a new amendment.

I said "Easier than Federal."

Conservatives have had plenty of opportunities to eliminate Roe v Wade in the past. At least we agree with that... so, why are you antiTrump?

 

[subllibrm]

I can't argue with that very much.

Frankly, I'd like to see both the Dems and the GOP taken out of power, period. I'd like to see our two party system done away with but I can't imagine what would take its place.

That is why I will hold my nose and vote my conscience (or as close to it as I can).

The primaries is the place to advocate for the candidate of your choice. If he doesn't win the nomination, at least you tried. The general elections is not the place to gripe about it.

Well, we aren’t to the general yet so I will keep griping.

Mr. Trump’s involvement devastated the 2022 election here in Michigan. His “chosen” candidates lost to all of the worst candidates on the Democratic side.

 

[subllibrm]

I said "Easier than Federal."

Conservatives have had plenty of opportunities to eliminate Roe v Wade in the past. At least we agree with that... so, why are you antiTrump?

I am anti incivility in the name of Christ.

When I was a new believer my pastor had a saying that our actions and decisions should never open the door for the world to blaspheme the name of Christ.

Mr. Trump has been given a pass with the blessing of evangelical leaders. The lost man is not able to discern the difference between overlooking the behavior of Donald Trump against the demonization of “them”. He is also not going to see the “nuance” of claiming to be seeking personal holiness while excusing ungodly behavior. Especially when it comes from a place of political expediency.

If I claim Christ and at the same time embrace an un Christ like spirit I have sullied the name of my Savior.

 

[FSSL]

He is a President for four years. He is not your pastor.

 

[Ekklesian]

When I was a new believer my pastor had a saying that our actions and decisions should never open the door for the world to blaspheme the name of Christ.

This thinking has morphed into acting according to their illusions of Christ, and not according to the truth of Christ.

Christ is the stench of death to the dying. And for the most part, the more Christlike you are, the more you'll stink...to them, the ones you think you're bound to make Christ smell good to.

 

[Ransom]

It would be nice to have a candidate that was high in character and had the ability to appoint Supreme Court justices who overturned Rowe v Wade and stop the onslaught of other various cultural evils. We have had many conservatives in politics for 50 years and not one of them worked to get rid of Roe v Wade.

I'll give Trump credit where due. He chose SCOTUS nominees that made that possible. Roe was bad law, and good riddance.

But this is the same candidate who, last fall, sharply criticized a 6-week fetal heartbeat law as a "terrible mistake." No. If you're truly pro-life, you support laws that reduce the number of legal abortions. Trump's pro-life credentials are suspect (and he has flip-flopped on this issue in the past). I think he's softening his abortion opposition because it gets him more votes. That's not principle, and it means he can't be trusted not to go all the way to the pro-abort side if he sees an advantage.

Are we to just believe that Trump sexually assaulted this woman? She didn't remember the year, the dress she was wearing and a significant number of other details. Is it possible that there is corruption in our judicial system?

This is the same candidate who, in 2005, said in a recorded interview that he could just walk into a room and grope a woman there, and she'd let him because he was a star. Whether he assaulted this woman is beside the point. There are lots of women he hasn't raped. But he has declared himself entitled to cop a feel because he's rich and famous.

God never told us, "Do not vote for a person with character flaws."

The Bible doesn't say anything about voting. But it's got a lot to say about the character of kings. Maybe you guys who get to choose your head of state should keep that in mind when selecting candidates.

 

[abcaines]

I've always wanted to write "Jesus Christ" in the write-in section of the ballot until I read John 6:15...

When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

 

[Gringo]

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"Donald Trump is a vile digusting man" . . . .

"The U.S. Border Patrol has recorded more than 6 million illegal crossings along the Mexico border since Biden took office, the busiest span in the agency's 100-year history, in addition to nearly 2 million “gotaways” who were detected but not apprehended." (googled)

8,000,000 people could almost fill New York City!! 8,000,000 people whose real names and nationalities and real intentions, we don't even know.

Right now, I could care less about Trump's divorces or affairs or crass language. I only care about what he will do to fix this LUNACY!
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[subllibrm]

Stolen from the interwebs -

"The thing I’ve noticed about political tribalism is that people will find themselves drawn to a tribe over one or two issues that are important to them, then they must adopt and defend everything (or everyone) else the tribe stands for. Or else. Individual thought is only allowed within narrow limits. Go beyond that and you get drummed out."

Seems somehow fitting here.

 

[FSSL]

my position is far from tribalism.
It's called being strategic.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Stolen from the interwebs -

"The thing I’ve noticed about political tribalism is that people will find themselves drawn to a tribe over one or two issues that are important to them, then they must adopt and defend everything (or everyone) else the tribe stands for. Or else. Individual thought is only allowed within narrow limits. Go beyond that and you get drummed out."

Seems somehow fitting here.

In what respect would you apply this quote to the FFF constituency?

For instance, do you believe that the group as a whole completely ignores Trump's character flaws? Or would it be more accurate to say that they don't elevate the value the president's personal moral character (as Carter, Pence, etc) as much as they value having a force in the White House that effectively creates policy that resonates with their strategic political platform?

 

[FSSL]

Stolen from the interwebs -

"The thing I’ve noticed about political tribalism is that people will find themselves drawn to a tribe over one or two issues that are important to them, then they must adopt and defend everything (or everyone) else the tribe stands for. Or else. Individual thought is only allowed within narrow limits. Go beyond that and you get drummed out."

Seems somehow fitting here.

Quoting liberals (The Atlantic) and applying it to conservatives is silly. Applying it to this conversation is absurd.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Quoting liberals (The Atlantic) and applying it to conservatives is silly. Applying it to this conversation is absurd.

While I agree with this sentiment almost completely, there *is* a context to the statement that occasionally rings true with a significant amount of Trump supporters (see sub's re-quote of Trump saying he could shoot somebody and not lose any voters). Just yesterday a conservative democrat co-worker was telling me about his brother-in-law who would vote for Don Jr if Trump ends up disqualified by trial, ballot removal, or other crooked democrat tactic.

 

[fishinnut]

Is a vile disgusting man.

Strange how some act & think like the USA is electing the Pastor of the US. Especially when we as believers could, if we would remember that "We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags."..........

 

[sword]

Some of the most moral men to serve as president were terrible leaders. These traits are not mutually exclusive.

I would never have Donald Trump over for dinner or would I want one of my children to work for him. He is (or at least was) a very immoral man and a loud, arrogant know it all. He is often disrespectful and crude, yet his (or his parties) policies are far better for our country then the other parties. I think they are morrally better for our country as well. I think God expects me to do my civic duty and to vote. If you disagree then I respect you right to do so. If we had a bible believing evangelical canadate on the other side it would still be a difficult choice because you are voting for the party platform as much as for the man.

I cannot support the woke, pro abortion, pro transgender, pro illegal immigration, pro divorce, pro drugs, economy killing, pro socialist, anti God platform of the other party. If some choose to not vote as many christians have, I understand but not voting allows the worst of two evils win.

If we had a evangical christian party in this country that stood for biblical values throughout it's platform, then I suppose I would have to vote for them even if they had no chance to win and then i would leave the results up to God.

 

[sword]

Is a vile disgusting man.

Lets say we all agree with you SUB.

I suspect very few on here would defend Trumps Christian Morallity or his lack of class and self control. I think most would also agree he can be loud and arrogant at times .

That being said what do you propose;
1. Vote for the Democrat and their platform
2. Not vote for anyone
3. Vote for the most pro christianity candidate.
4. Start a new pro Evangilical pro Christian pro Bible party
5. Hold your nose and vote for Trump and pray God will direct and use him.

I think we should be praying every day for who ever is in the White House and ask God to spare our country the judgement we surely deserve.