FBCH Statement of Child Protection Policy

[prophet]

I used to defend the sins of HAC and FBCH with the same reasoning that people on this thread are using.

1) The accusations could not be true, because Jack was such a good man.
2) When someone objected to his sins, I reasoned that they did not understand the Godliness of Jack.

However, the church declined from over 40,000 to less than 6,000.

Meanwhile, I was lurking on FFF and other forums, and I was amazed at how much sin had been going on at HAC during and after my time there.

I was bewildered by Jack Schaap.
1) He continued the policy of allowing no new scandals  while protecting current scandals, yet church attendance grew.
2) One year, they had 25,000 baptisms under his leadership.
3) He made statements clearly showing that he was a Ruckmanite, while making clear statements that he was a fundamentalist. I THINK he hoped to unite fundamental and Ruckmanite Baptists by using nothing but the KJV. Ruckmanites correctly saw that Ruckmanism would dwindle away if he did. He was using deceit by assuring both sides that he was one of them.
4) When he was finally caught in major sin, I finally admitted that HAC and FBCH are corrupted by their refusal to repent of the sins of Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard.

Schaap was never kjvo.
I was there for every word he said, until the end of  '05.
You are dead wrong, here.

If he quoted Ruckman once, he did it by accident, probably by quoting a peer, which he often did, who was quoting Ruckman.

But to even insinuate the Schaap was kjvo... you're nuts!!
He said, in '05, that the KJV 1611 contained over 30,000 errors...so, yeah. No.

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Schaap hated Riplinger.  He tossed her out, criticized her divorce, her background and refuted anything that she stated simply because she was a woman.

Oh, yes, I forgot that the demon possessed narcissist was also a mysoginist.

Makes the whole "my sister forced me to get saved" story seem all the more creepy.

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[Norefund]

Schaap hosted a Ruckmanite conference and gave Gail Riplinger an honorary doctorate for her work defending Ruckmanism.

However, it is true that he was not KJO. Nobody is KJO. The people who claim to be KJO got their doctrine from Peter Ruckman, not from the KJV.

Schaap did not -  Jack Hyles did in 1996 @  Pastor's School

Correct.
Vince is off a decade.
In fact, I know for sure that Daryl Moore and Jack Schaap convinced Hyles that Grady was a Ruckmanite, the week before that conference, which was set up around Grady's release of the Final Authority, and was supposed to feature Grady as the main speaker.
Riplinger was brought in last minute...
Out of the Ruckmanite frying pan, into the Ruckmanite fire.
But, knowing Schaap, he had no idea who she was.
Remember Hyles trying unsuccessfully to shut her up, for about 20 minutes?

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But Hyles booted Grady for Ruckmanism, so you can't even call him a Rucky.

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He did? What's the story on that.

Also, I remember hearing a sermon where Hyles said something like: "I'm not a Ruckmanite. I'm a Mama-ite." becasue his mother always used the KJV.

 

[Norefund]

I used to defend the sins of HAC and FBCH with the same reasoning that people on this thread are using.

1) The accusations could not be true, because Jack was such a good man.
2) When someone objected to his sins, I reasoned that they did not understand the Godliness of Jack.

However, the church declined from over 40,000 to less than 6,000.

Meanwhile, I was lurking on FFF and other forums, and I was amazed at how much sin had been going on at HAC during and after my time there.

I was bewildered by Jack Schaap.
1) He continued the policy of allowing no new scandals  while protecting current scandals, yet church attendance grew.
2) One year, they had 25,000 baptisms under his leadership.
3) He made statements clearly showing that he was a Ruckmanite, while making clear statements that he was a fundamentalist. I THINK he hoped to unite fundamental and Ruckmanite Baptists by using nothing but the KJV. Ruckmanites correctly saw that Ruckmanism would dwindle away if he did. He was using deceit by assuring both sides that he was one of them.
4) When he was finally caught in major sin, I finally admitted that HAC and FBCH are corrupted by their refusal to repent of the sins of Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard.

Schaap was never kjvo.
I was there for every word he said, until the end of  '05.
You are dead wrong, here.

If he quoted Ruckman once, he did it by accident, probably by quoting a peer, which he often did, who was quoting Ruckman.

But to even insinuate the Schaap was kjvo... you're nuts!!
He said, in '05, that the KJV 1611 contained over 30,000 errors...so, yeah. No.

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Schaap hated Riplinger.  He tossed her out, criticized her divorce, her background and refuted anything that she stated simply because she was a woman.

Maybe he just couldn't intellectually grasp her incredibly advanced theory of KJV Sacred Geometry.

To be fair, neither can I or anyone else who actually understands the principles of mathematics.

 

[prophet]

I used to defend the sins of HAC and FBCH with the same reasoning that people on this thread are using.

1) The accusations could not be true, because Jack was such a good man.
2) When someone objected to his sins, I reasoned that they did not understand the Godliness of Jack.

However, the church declined from over 40,000 to less than 6,000.

Meanwhile, I was lurking on FFF and other forums, and I was amazed at how much sin had been going on at HAC during and after my time there.

I was bewildered by Jack Schaap.
1) He continued the policy of allowing no new scandals  while protecting current scandals, yet church attendance grew.
2) One year, they had 25,000 baptisms under his leadership.
3) He made statements clearly showing that he was a Ruckmanite, while making clear statements that he was a fundamentalist. I THINK he hoped to unite fundamental and Ruckmanite Baptists by using nothing but the KJV. Ruckmanites correctly saw that Ruckmanism would dwindle away if he did. He was using deceit by assuring both sides that he was one of them.
4) When he was finally caught in major sin, I finally admitted that HAC and FBCH are corrupted by their refusal to repent of the sins of Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard.

Schaap was never kjvo.
I was there for every word he said, until the end of  '05.
You are dead wrong, here.

If he quoted Ruckman once, he did it by accident, probably by quoting a peer, which he often did, who was quoting Ruckman.

But to even insinuate the Schaap was kjvo... you're nuts!!
He said, in '05, that the KJV 1611 contained over 30,000 errors...so, yeah. No.

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Schaap hated Riplinger.  He tossed her out, criticized her divorce, her background and refuted anything that she stated simply because she was a woman.

Maybe he just couldn't intellectually grasp her incredibly advanced theory of KJV Sacred Geometry.

To be fair, neither can I or anyone else who actually understands the principles of mathematics.

Numerology is witchcraft, not mathematical science, so...

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[Norefund]

I used to defend the sins of HAC and FBCH with the same reasoning that people on this thread are using.

1) The accusations could not be true, because Jack was such a good man.
2) When someone objected to his sins, I reasoned that they did not understand the Godliness of Jack.

However, the church declined from over 40,000 to less than 6,000.

Meanwhile, I was lurking on FFF and other forums, and I was amazed at how much sin had been going on at HAC during and after my time there.

I was bewildered by Jack Schaap.
1) He continued the policy of allowing no new scandals  while protecting current scandals, yet church attendance grew.
2) One year, they had 25,000 baptisms under his leadership.
3) He made statements clearly showing that he was a Ruckmanite, while making clear statements that he was a fundamentalist. I THINK he hoped to unite fundamental and Ruckmanite Baptists by using nothing but the KJV. Ruckmanites correctly saw that Ruckmanism would dwindle away if he did. He was using deceit by assuring both sides that he was one of them.
4) When he was finally caught in major sin, I finally admitted that HAC and FBCH are corrupted by their refusal to repent of the sins of Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard.

Schaap was never kjvo.
I was there for every word he said, until the end of  '05.
You are dead wrong, here.

If he quoted Ruckman once, he did it by accident, probably by quoting a peer, which he often did, who was quoting Ruckman.

But to even insinuate the Schaap was kjvo... you're nuts!!
He said, in '05, that the KJV 1611 contained over 30,000 errors...so, yeah. No.

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Schaap hated Riplinger.  He tossed her out, criticized her divorce, her background and refuted anything that she stated simply because she was a woman.

Maybe he just couldn't intellectually grasp her incredibly advanced theory of KJV Sacred Geometry.

To be fair, neither can I or anyone else who actually understands the principles of mathematics.

Numerology is witchcraft, not mathematical science, so...

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Well,

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

maybe...

 

[Vince Massi]

The statement that Jack Schaap was never KJO might be based on honest misunderstanding.

Schaap made clear, definite statements that he was not a Ruckmanite, while making clear, definite statements that he was He did this so often that he gained the nickname "Dr. Pudding."

Every deacon who interviewed him as a pastoral candidate insisted that he had assured them that he was a Ruckmanite.

I repeat my THEORY, which might be wrong, that Schaap might have hoped to unite fundamentalist and Ruckmanite Baptists by using only the KJV without teaching Ruckmanism. Such a plan could not work.


FBCH and HAC were  Ruckmanite when Schaap took over and were Ruckmanite when he left.

A few years after Schaap's conviction, a small number of Ruckmanite speakers began teaching as fact that he had never been KJO.  While they could produce  quotes to back that up, other quotes refute that. Other people (including me) state that Schaap was never KJO because no one is. These two groups might be the source for the mistaken claim that Schaap had never been a Ruckmanite.

 

[qwerty]

Every deacon who interviewed him as a pastoral candidate insisted that he had assured them that he was a Ruckmanite.

Yeah....no. I'm pretty sure there are others that can confirm that this statement is absolute garbage.

I mean there is a lot you can fault the guy for, but to state this only hurts your credibility.

 

[Norefund]

The statement that Jack Schaap was never KJO might be based on honest misunderstanding.

Schaap made clear, definite statements that he was not a Ruckmanite, while making clear, definite statements that he was He did this so often that he gained the nickname "Dr. Pudding."

Every deacon who interviewed him as a pastoral candidate insisted that he had assured them that he was a Ruckmanite.

I repeat my THEORY, which might be wrong, that Schaap might have hoped to unite fundamentalist and Ruckmanite Baptists by using only the KJV without teaching Ruckmanism. Such a plan could not work.


FBCH and HAC were  Ruckmanite when Schaap took over and were Ruckmanite when he left.

A few years after Schaap's conviction, a small number of Ruckmanite speakers began teaching as fact that he had never been KJO.  While they could produce  quotes to back that up, other quotes refute that. Other people (including me) state that Schaap was never KJO because no one is. These two groups might be the source for the mistaken claim that Schaap had never been a Ruckmanite.

?Other people (including me) state that Schaap was never KJO because no one is.?

Can you expound on this a bit?

 

[Vince Massi]

?Other people (including me) state that Schaap was never KJO because no one is.?

Can you expound on this a bit?
[/quote]

Nobody is KJO, because the doctrine is not taught in the KJV. No matter how you work it, the people who call themselves "KJO" got the doctrine from a man who got it from a man etc., and that trail ALWAYS ends with Peter Ruckman.

Some honest people may have misunderstood that statement (which is made by a lot of people) to mean that Jack Schaap never claimed to be KJO.

Doctrines such as "It's the King James BIBLE, not the King James VERSION," "All modern translations are of the Devil," "Modern translations are Catholic Bibles," etc., are not found in either the Bible or the KJV. Therefore, people who believe those doctrines are neither fundamentalists nor KJO.

 

[GeneFrenkle]

Wow.  Where to start.  Just wow...

 

[AnkleBone]

The First Baptist Church seeks to express God?s love of children and provide for their personal wholeness.  This caring community seeks to prevent child abuse of any form to our children and youth and to minister to victims of abuse and their families.  The Bible is foundational to our understanding upon which all policies, procedures, and ministries must stand.

blah blah blah blah.
There are absolutely no procedural steps in this policy. No directive to call police immediately.  No directive on removing the subject of a sexual abuser complaint from contact with children. No directive on providing safety measures. No procedure for handling a complaint in person, over the phone, inside the church, outside the church. No procedures for maintaining a safe environment within the buses, building, or classrooms.

It's just a piece of fluff and a promise that they do background checks, the preliminary and least effective safety control in a child safety program.

 

[prophet]

Every deacon who interviewed him as a pastoral candidate insisted that he had assured them that he was a Ruckmanite.

Yeah....no. I'm pretty sure there are others that can confirm that this statement is absolute garbage.

I mean there is a lot you can fault the guy for, but to state this only hurts your credibility.

Vince still has to establish his credibility.
Any one who can assemble with the A.O.G., has none.

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[AnkleBone]

A child protection policy has to be more than a self-justification crowned by a boast that "we do background checks."
A child protection policy breaks down the action of protecting each child into procedures that must be learned and performed and audited and updated:

FOR EXAMPLE:
Child protections instituted at entries and exits:
1.All exits have camera monitoring connected to the Security Office
2.All cameras are checked daily and signed off on the respective sign-off sheet.
3.Security camera repair shall be performed by Ace and Sons Electronics NNN-NNN-NNNN
4.If a staff member finds that a camera is not working properly, the staff member will notify the Security Supervisor immediately by text or telephone call and will call the Security camera repair company.

Child protections instituted for hallways and corridors
1.Staff are to require children to use a buddy system to walk in the hallways/corridors if not in a group or with adults.
2.Staff are to permit children to leave classrooms only with approval, such as to the bathroom, to a parent, to a sibling, etc.
3.Staff are to use a buddy system (another staff member) when escorting a child within the building.
etc.

What FBCH has produced is a joke that still enables the sexual abuse of children to continue within its doors.