Fundies get hung up on the stupidest things...

[Izdaari]

I looked at those forum stats for the first time, and much to my surprise, I rank number 5 in post count. 

I'm definitely not a fundy. I changed from AoG (trinitarian Pentecostal and conservative evangelical) to Episcopalutheran (TEC & ELCA, mainline/liberal), and the change was mostly about culture and politics, because I don't have much problem with AoG theology. I remain orthodox by non-fundy standards. 

Have no fear.  I would have never accused you of being one of those few "fundys." 

Well, there was a time...

I went to a GARBC church when I was a kid, and according to Dr. Bob Griffin, they count as IFB. But I absorbed just the Gospel from them, and we moved before they could teach me the distinctively fundy stuff.  8)

 

[PappaBear]

Well, there was a time...

I went to a GARBC church when I was a kid, and according to Dr. Bob Griffin, they count as IFB. But I absorbed just the Gospel from them, and we moved before they could teach me the distinctively fundy stuff.  8)

Shows how much he is conflicted and how little he knows.  The "A" in GARBC stands for Association.  The "I" in IFB stands for Independent.  The GARBC has never been IFB.  That they have flamed out pretty much as a whole demonstrates their associational qualities as a denomination.  However, the Independents are some good, some bad, but all independent.

As for Griffin, I would pay him no heed.  He is only a raging wave of the sea foaming out his own shame,  twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=PappaBear]Shows how much he is conflicted and how little he knows.  The "A" in GARBC stands for Association.  The "I" in IFB stands for Independent.  The GARBC has never been IFB.  That they have flamed out pretty much as a whole demonstrates their associational qualities as a denomination.  However, the Independents are some good, some bad, but all independent.[/quote]

Yup. You have the HAC "independents", the BJU "independents", the PCC "independents", the PBI "independents", the WCBC "independents", the....

 

[Reformed Guy]

Lol. Layman - hear me very carefully. IT ALL NEEDS TO DIE. ... Here's an idea - lets focus on letting everyone know what we are for rather than being known for what we are against...

Here's a two-fold problem with the progressive mentality: 1) It never reaches a destination because it doesn't have one (it only "progresses" by leaving what came before by seeking something new), & 2) It only leaves death and destruction in it's wake.

There's nothing Christian about the idea that we always must be discarding whatever is old and chasing after what is new.  That idea, rather, is pagan to the core.  It juvenilizes a culture and, when it invades the church, brings death to Christianity.  With ever increasing rapidity, the timespan between when the new-fangled idea is relevant and when it becomes obscure shrinks to a blur and, like the junkie who just can't get to the next great high, burnout ensues and any meaningful purpose to life (and worship) disappears.

Our destination must be conformity to the truth.  That requires being constantly conformed and reformed to God's truth.  That means that certain old habits, doctrine and practice, that have no root in scripture, must be cut out.  But affirming that is far from a despising of all things old, for many old things are eternal truths- truths from which we are to turn neither to the right or the left.  There is a right "Old Path," and it is a narrow way.  Wander from that, and you will lead you and yours onto a broad path that only leads to destruction.

*edit-- There's an inherent contradiction in your quote above.  I took the liberty to shorten your quote to make it a bit more obvious.

 

[kaba]

I am proud to be IFB and don't mind having the convictions I do have or "Hang ups" as Baldy calls them!!


Dont really respect someone that once had convictions and very judgemental and then saw the light, and now is free, and just as judgemental to those that still have convictions in their life!!

 

[ALAYMAN]

Lol. Layman - hear me very carefully. IT ALL NEEDS TO DIE. Whoever it is that's fighting against the advancement of technology and progressive methodologies within the church needs to just shut up and stop worrying about trivial things. I realize that you like to argue & debate... But subjects like the one you brought up are just plain dumb.

Here's an idea - lets focus on letting everyone know what we are for rather than being known for what we are against. That is all. My last response. Have a good night.

Well, if you want to duck discussion and just come in and lob stones, not interacting with what other people says then go set up a blog.


I happen to agree with you that we shouldn't be just known for what we are against, and even started a thread not long ago to that effect, but to not consider what other people have to say by the type of reductionistic logic you applied here is very, well, fundamentalist in nature.  Tis true, you can take the boy out of the fundy but ya can't take the fundy out of the boy.

 

[BandGuy]

I honestly forget these ridiculous issues exist until I hop on here and am reminded of them. At what point will the fundies throw in the towel of the "Old Paths" and start focusing on real world issues?

Please define the "Old Paths" to which you are referring, and then we can discuss whether we agree or disagree with you.  Thanks.

 

[subllibrm]

Well, there was a time...

I went to a GARBC church when I was a kid, and according to Dr. Bob Griffin, they count as IFB. But I absorbed just the Gospel from them, and we moved before they could teach me the distinctively fundy stuff.  8)

Shows how much he is conflicted and how little he knows.  The "A" in GARBC stands for Association.  The "I" in IFB stands for Independent.  The GARBC has never been IFB.  That they have flamed out pretty much as a whole demonstrates their associational qualities as a denomination.  However, the Independents are some good, some bad, but all independent.

As for Griffin, I would pay him no heed.  He is only a raging wave of the sea foaming out his own shame,  twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

As if IFB churches have no "associations". All the times I have heard on here about how one IFB "separated" from another over this or that detail (usually minor BTW) leave no conclusion other than they once had an association. Otherwise there could not have been a separation.

I am GARBC and would like to know who/what infringes on our independence. Feel free to elucidate.

 

[subllibrm]

Dont really respect someone that once had convictions and very judgemental and then saw the light, and now is free, and just as judgemental to those that still have convictions in their life!!

Nothing quite as annoying as a former smoker.  8)

 

[Bruh]

I honestly forget these ridiculous issues exist until I hop on here and am reminded of them. At what point will the fundies throw in the towel of the "Old Paths" and start focusing on real world issues?

Please define the "Old Paths" to which you are referring, and then we can discuss whether we agree or disagree with you.  Thanks.

Yes, please define, Patebald. 

 

[Bob H]

I'm on a forum that is frequented by fundies and so I used the term that is familiar to most everyone here.

Really?  Where?  WHERE!?!  Take a gander at the forum stats from the Home page.  Of the top 10 posters (those making the most posts) there are 2 ... maybe perhaps a 3rd even though he claims not to be KJVO and won't use song books ... that could be realistically called "fundies."  One is a definite "neutral" and six are extreme "anti-chrr...." ... well, "anti-fundies."

He wouldn't know what a fundy was/is even if one were to come up and smack him. There's very few here.  Church history should be one's friend.

 

[bgwilkinson]

IFB is just the no name denomination. It certainly is all about influence and politics and one upmanship. I am better and more fundamental than you are.
Just pride and arrogance. JS and his fil are prime examples.

 

[BandGuy]

You lose any credibility you could have when you lump SBTS in with fundys. 

I have no idea what you're talking about

At 12:50 today you made a post in the thread about electronic Bibles in the pulpit.  Five minutes later than that comment you started this new thread.  Are you saying that there wasn't any connection of your thought from the post you made at 12:50 to the thread you started at 12:55?

In that thread you mentioned "old paths" in conjunction with Trieber.  The essence of your contributions to that thread was that it was much ado about nothing.  The author of the article that started that thread was a SBTS guy, so in effect, you were saying he was a fundy.  You can spin that however you want, but to call the folks of the SBTS "fundys" is to do just what I said, either you are marginalizing people with false labels, or you are a full blown contemporelevant guy now so far left of center that you have lost perspective what conservative evangelicalism really is.

Lol. Layman - hear me very carefully. IT ALL NEEDS TO DIE. Whoever it is that's fighting against the advancement of technology and progressive methodologies within the church needs to just shut up and stop worrying about trivial things. I realize that you like to argue & debate... But subjects like the one you brought up are just plain dumb.

Here's an idea - lets focus on letting everyone know what we are for rather than being known for what we are against. That is all. My last response. Have a good night.

So, are you saying that Fundy = against technology.  Is that the modern day test for a person's fundy card.  If so, then I guess I am not a fundy based on your definition.

 

[BandGuy]

Well, there was a time...

I went to a GARBC church when I was a kid, and according to Dr. Bob Griffin, they count as IFB. But I absorbed just the Gospel from them, and we moved before they could teach me the distinctively fundy stuff.  8)

As for Griffin, I would pay him no heed.  He is only a raging wave of the sea foaming out his own shame,  twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

I am not sure what basis you have for that statement, but I have always found Dr. Griffin to be quite a Godly man in my dealings with him on the internet, even when I have disagreed with him.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Well, there was a time...

I went to a GARBC church when I was a kid, and according to Dr. Bob Griffin, they count as IFB. But I absorbed just the Gospel from them, and we moved before they could teach me the distinctively fundy stuff.  8)

As for Griffin, I would pay him no heed.  He is only a raging wave of the sea foaming out his own shame,  twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

I am not sure what basis you have for that statement, but I have always found Dr. Griffin to be quite a Godly man in my dealings with him on the internet, even when I have disagreed with him.

I agree.
Pappa, even when Dr Bob and I disagree, quite often, I have found him to be a man of Christian character and superior intellect.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I agree.
Pappa, even when Dr Bob and I disagree, quite often, I have found him to be a man of Christian character and superior intellect.

I don't know how far you go back on the FFF, but there was a day when there was some Battle Royales, and Dr Bob was often king of the snark, especially towards KJVo folk, and towards non-Cals.  His condescension factor was strong. 

Having said that, I liked the dude, and prayed for his health regularly.  He mellowed quite a bit in the last couple of years on the forum.  Hope he is doing well.

 

[ALAYMAN]

You lose any credibility you could have when you lump SBTS in with fundys. 

I have no idea what you're talking about

At 12:50 today you made a post in the thread about electronic Bibles in the pulpit.  Five minutes later than that comment you started this new thread.  Are you saying that there wasn't any connection of your thought from the post you made at 12:50 to the thread you started at 12:55?

In that thread you mentioned "old paths" in conjunction with Trieber.  The essence of your contributions to that thread was that it was much ado about nothing.  The author of the article that started that thread was a SBTS guy, so in effect, you were saying he was a fundy.  You can spin that however you want, but to call the folks of the SBTS "fundys" is to do just what I said, either you are marginalizing people with false labels, or you are a full blown contemporelevant guy now so far left of center that you have lost perspective what conservative evangelicalism really is.

Lol. Layman - hear me very carefully. IT ALL NEEDS TO DIE. Whoever it is that's fighting against the advancement of technology and progressive methodologies within the church needs to just shut up and stop worrying about trivial things. I realize that you like to argue & debate... But subjects like the one you brought up are just plain dumb.

Here's an idea - lets focus on letting everyone know what we are for rather than being known for what we are against. That is all. My last response. Have a good night.

So, are you saying that Fundy = against technology.  Is that the modern day test for a person's fundy card.  If so, then I guess I am not a fundy based on your definition.

It was clear enough from the article that the dude who wrote it also was not against technology, but Pate has his own definition of fundy.

 

[ALAYMAN]

that is very true.... i remember the younger less friendly version of dr bob when i first joined the fff.... i think he was the first fff member i really just lost it and went off on..... (if you can believe i would ever do such a thing..)..... . but over time he did mellow out and we even became friends... ...  i actually miss him here....  :-\....

I'm gonna take a guess that your explosion on Dr Bob was over Calvinism.  Right?

 

[PappaBear]

I am not sure what basis you have for that statement, but I have always found Dr. Griffin to be quite a Godly man in my dealings with him on the internet, even when I have disagreed with him.

I agree.
Pappa, even when Dr Bob and I disagree, quite often, I have found him to be a man of Christian character and superior intellect.

Well, I have quite a different experience.  Perhaps Alayman can complete this "superior intellect's" godly and characteristic response ...

"steaming pile of _________________  "

Oh, yes.  As long as he is in control, or you are in agreement with him, then he can act civil.  But bring up issues, he can be nasty, lying, and disgraceful.  That comes from the heart.  I don't care how many degrees the man may have or intellectual ability.  He has a darkness about him.  In my humble opinion, of course.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I agree.
Pappa, even when Dr Bob and I disagree, quite often, I have found him to be a man of Christian character and superior intellect.

I don't know how far you go back on the FFF, but there was a day when there was some Battle Royales, and Dr Bob was often king of the snark, especially towards KJVo folk, and towards non-Cals.  His condescension factor was strong. 

Having said that, I liked the dude, and prayed for his health regularly.  He mellowed quite a bit in the last couple of years on the forum.  Hope he is doing well.

Not sure how far back you're going but I had my share of disagreements with him and he could come across as condescending and often a little pious....but all in all I thought he was one of the good guys.