John 3:16

[Tim]

God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What does scripture teach?

You don't know?

Are you really asking a question or are you staging a rant from your own personal experience?

 

[praise_yeshua]

What does scripture teach?

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Romans 9:11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good or bad, so that God?s purpose according to election might stand?

It's not up to the child, but God's purpose that decides

 

[Recovering IFB]

What does scripture teach?

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

And the soul will be eternally in heaven or hell ... kind of makes me wonder where our soul comes from in the first place. Is that developed within the womb as the life grows? Does God add it at some point? No. I don't have any thoughts on that one (shocked?).

I love Children and when I realize some believe that a simple baby could die and go to hell it really messes with my mind. I naturally assume all infants go to heaven. It seems that way based on what happened with David and Bathsheba .... but that is more an assumption when applied to all infants universally.

For me - in some ways - the key to changing what I believe sits at the topic of children and what happens when they die. To believe in free grace sets my mind at ease since i just assume all children didn't have the option to choose. But - election - hard core anyway ... well ... that little child never would have chosen God anyway.

First, you have to get over your emotions and see what God says first. Nowhere in Scripture taught that babies get a free pass into Heavan. The verse I pointed out in Romans spells out exactly that It is God's devine choice to whom He chooses. God's purpose to His own glory outweighs how we feel.

 

[Fresh Air]

David is quite clear on the matter. Babies who die go to Heaven.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Romans 9:11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good or bad, so that God?s purpose according to election might stand?

It's not up to the child, but God's purpose that decides

Look at you. You're so smart. I'm glad its not up to YOU

http://reknew.org/2008/01/how-do-you-respond-to-romans-9/

 

[praise_yeshua]

David is quite clear on the matter. Babies who die go to Heaven.

That verse doesn't matter Tom. A horribly inept understanding of Romans 9 is all that matters to him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What does scripture teach?

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

And the soul will be eternally in heaven or hell ... kind of makes me wonder where our soul comes from in the first place. Is that developed within the womb as the life grows? Does God add it at some point? No. I don't have any thoughts on that one (shocked?).

I love Children and when I realize some believe that a simple baby could die and go to hell it really messes with my mind. I naturally assume all infants go to heaven. It seems that way based on what happened with David and Bathsheba .... but that is more an assumption when applied to all infants universally.

For me - in some ways - the key to changing what I believe sits at the topic of children and what happens when they die. To believe in free grace sets my mind at ease since i just assume all children didn't have the option to choose. But - election - hard core anyway ... well ... that little child never would have chosen God anyway.

First, you have to get over your emotions and see what God says first. Nowhere in Scripture taught that babies get a free pass into Heavan. The verse I pointed out in Romans spells out exactly that It is God's devine choice to whom He chooses. God's purpose to His own glory outweighs how we feel.

God doesn't take glory in such things. Your image of god is nothing more than a worthless idol.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

David is quite clear on the matter. Babies who die go to Heaven.

Where did David say that?

David said:

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.

Peter said of David,

Men and brothers, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, Until I make your foes your footstool.

Though I lean toward children who die go to heaven, I believe David was referring to the grave and hence cannot be used as proof text.

 

[Recovering IFB]

What does scripture teach?

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

And the soul will be eternally in heaven or hell ... kind of makes me wonder where our soul comes from in the first place. Is that developed within the womb as the life grows? Does God add it at some point? No. I don't have any thoughts on that one (shocked?).

I love Children and when I realize some believe that a simple baby could die and go to hell it really messes with my mind. I naturally assume all infants go to heaven. It seems that way based on what happened with David and Bathsheba .... but that is more an assumption when applied to all infants universally.

For me - in some ways - the key to changing what I believe sits at the topic of children and what happens when they die. To believe in free grace sets my mind at ease since i just assume all children didn't have the option to choose. But - election - hard core anyway ... well ... that little child never would have chosen God anyway.

First, you have to get over your emotions and see what God says first. Nowhere in Scripture taught that babies get a free pass into Heavan. The verse I pointed out in Romans spells out exactly that It is God's devine choice to whom He chooses. God's purpose to His own glory outweighs how we feel.

God doesn't take glory in such things. Your image of god is nothing more than a worthless idol.

You need to be careful CU in what you call worthless,  you haven't supplies Scripture otherwise to back up your point yet.
Can you disprove the Jacob- Esau analogy provided by Paul in Romans?

 

[praise_yeshua]

What does scripture teach?

Gen 3:19  In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

And the soul will be eternally in heaven or hell ... kind of makes me wonder where our soul comes from in the first place. Is that developed within the womb as the life grows? Does God add it at some point? No. I don't have any thoughts on that one (shocked?).

I love Children and when I realize some believe that a simple baby could die and go to hell it really messes with my mind. I naturally assume all infants go to heaven. It seems that way based on what happened with David and Bathsheba .... but that is more an assumption when applied to all infants universally.

For me - in some ways - the key to changing what I believe sits at the topic of children and what happens when they die. To believe in free grace sets my mind at ease since i just assume all children didn't have the option to choose. But - election - hard core anyway ... well ... that little child never would have chosen God anyway.

First, you have to get over your emotions and see what God says first. Nowhere in Scripture taught that babies get a free pass into Heavan. The verse I pointed out in Romans spells out exactly that It is God's devine choice to whom He chooses. God's purpose to His own glory outweighs how we feel.

God doesn't take glory in such things. Your image of god is nothing more than a worthless idol.

You need to be careful CU in what you call worthless,  you haven't supplies Scripture otherwise to back up your point yet.
Can you disprove the Jacob- Esau analogy provided by Paul in Romans?

I'm not afraid of calling your view worthless. It is is worthless. Its a lie. A figment of your idols imagination. Why don't you get off the "teat" of Calvin and think for yourself?

I posted a link to Greg Boyd's rebuttal to your worthless belief. I even posted a video to Mater in the other thread where you were having a bromance over the verse. While I disagree on some of the specifics of Boyd. He is 95 percent there. I'll let you struggle with it.

If you have something to say about Greg's rebuttal, I'll be glad to help you with it.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Romans 9:11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good or bad, so that God?s purpose according to election might stand?

It's not up to the child, but God's purpose that decides

Look at you. You're so smart. I'm glad its not up to YOU

http://reknew.org/2008/01/how-do-you-respond-to-romans-9/

Oh no! My faith is crushed!!! Somebody wrote something that sends my world into an upheaval! [\sarcasm]

 

[Recovering IFB]

Boyd? Seriously?

 

[praise_yeshua]

David is quite clear on the matter. Babies who die go to Heaven.

Where did David say that?

David said:

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.

Peter said of David,

Men and brothers, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, Until I make your foes your footstool.

Though I lean toward children who die go to heaven, I believe David was referring to the grave and hence cannot be used as proof text.

I knew someone would say that. I didn't honestly expect it to be you.

First, the "ascended" part of the sermon of Peter is a reference to "David" not ascending to sit at the righthand of God. Its not that David didn't ascend. Stop ripping the verse from its context. David was prophetically speaking of Christ. Not himself. David did ascend when Christ lead "captivity. captive".

Second. Davids statement was one of hope. Of being joined with his child. It wasn't a statement of finality in the hopelessness of the grave.

Just what hope is there in the grave? Do you look forward to joining you child in turning to dust?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Boyd? Seriously?

Seriously!

Why don't you take him seriously?

Do you expect me to take Piper seriously? Piper was so "serious" about Boyd that he tried to have him fired. Why are you not taking what he says seriously?

 

[Recovering IFB]

Boyd? Seriously?

Seriously!

Why don't you take him seriously?

Do you expect me to take Piper seriously? Piper was so "serious" about Boyd that he tried to have him fired. Why are you not taking what he says seriously?

Because he is an Open Theist

 

[rsc2a]

It's simple. No one is as smart as PY...

...but Boyd is 95% there.

 

[Recovering IFB]

It's simple. No one is as smart as PY...

...but Boyd is 95% there.

If you beleive in open theism, which is where Arminianism eventually leads you

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's simple. No one is as smart as PY...

...but Boyd is 95% there.

If you believe in open theism

I'm not a true open theist. I'm in between. Either way, the title doesn't scare me. Are you trying to scare someone or are actually capable of "substance"? So far, all you're doing is mocking. Mocker.....

I know you're not capable. You never have been.