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Bruh said:Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?
I don't know that BKW's current pastor would agree with most of BKW's posts. Just a guess.
Bruh said:Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?
Bruh said:RAIDER said:bgwilkinson said:I have discussed this matter with the current pastor and he would not say that the KJV is the only Word of God. He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.
So no he is not goofy he is not KJVO.
I happen to like the KJV also, and use it as my main English scripture text, I am in no way KJVO.
So are you saying that Wilkerson is ok with church members using other versions? Is he ok with Sunday School teachers correcting the KJV in their class? If he is not KJVO he would probably be ok with these, correct?
Thank you!
RAIDER said:Bruh said:Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?
I don't know that BKW's current pastor would agree with most of BKW's posts. Just a guess.
Bruh said:RAIDER said:Bruh said:Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?
I don't know that BKW's current pastor would agree with most of BKW's posts. Just a guess.
This guy is so anti IFB he boggles my mind that he can stay where he is.
RAIDER said:Bruh said:RAIDER said:Bruh said:Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?
I don't know that BKW's current pastor would agree with most of BKW's posts. Just a guess.
This guy is so anti IFB he boggles my mind that he can stay where he is.
I have been shouting this for months on the HAC FFF. He was a deacon during Dr. Hyles' pastorate. He was a deacon during Schaap's pastorate. Now all of a sudden he can tell you of all the evils during all of those years. He is critical of most things IFB.
What most of you that came 'through for a few' don't realize is that FBCH was not born in IFB era , and was not IFB until a disgruntled Southern Baptist invented hisown version of IFB from our pulpit.Bruh said:RAIDER said:Bruh said:Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?
I don't know that BKW's current pastor would agree with most of BKW's posts. Just a guess.
This guy is so anti IFB he boggles my mind that he can stay where he is.
Tom Brennan said:I think I'm beginning to understand him. He speaks respectfully of his current leadership - until that leadership is gone at which point he tells the entire world that he violently disagreed with 95% of what they did.
I am incredibly thankful I am not his pastor...
Bravo said:Wow this has taken a disappointing turn. I'll try to be as kind as possible,...
If someone from FBC says nothing then they are a kool aid drinker, brain washed or "should have stood up and said something".
This is a discussion forum isn't it? A guy opines on a thread, regretfully reflects back on the years gone by and tries to be honest and now gets slammed for it?
I'll say this,... If you weren't/aren't here it's hard to understand what a good number of good people are going through. For some there is a real struggle to look back objectively now and look forward objectively.
I was a defender of Schaap back when, and tried to be fair and honest in my defense of him. But it came to a point where I couldn't defend what was going on anymore. That's a TOUGH crossroads to find yourself at. It's an internal struggle, but I think an honest one.
I don't know BG but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If this makes me a bad guy in your eyes then okay.
Tom Brennan said:In the early 90's I had Grady for Contemporary Theology. The vast majority of the class contained the material that later became his book Final Authority. It is one of the few classes of academic or doctrinal substance I had at HAC.
Bruh said:Bravo said:Wow this has taken a disappointing turn. I'll try to be as kind as possible,...
If someone from FBC says nothing then they are a kool aid drinker, brain washed or "should have stood up and said something".
This is a discussion forum isn't it? A guy opines on a thread, regretfully reflects back on the years gone by and tries to be honest and now gets slammed for it?
I'll say this,... If you weren't/aren't here it's hard to understand what a good number of good people are going through. For some there is a real struggle to look back objectively now and look forward objectively.
I was a defender of Schaap back when, and tried to be fair and honest in my defense of him. But it came to a point where I couldn't defend what was going on anymore. That's a TOUGH crossroads to find yourself at. It's an internal struggle, but I think an honest one.
I don't know BG but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If this makes me a bad guy in your eyes then okay.
smh.
You missed the whole point, what you are saying is wrong.
Bg, said that, ppl that r KJVO are goofy, so I asked him if his current pastor is goofy?
Then he tries to skate around the whole question I asked and says, u will needs to ask him. When he said that he had already spoke with JW about this. And goes on about how in other languages the bible boa, bla, bla.
When you know I know and he knows JW, is KJVO a for the English speaking ppl.
Therefore bg says his CURRENT PASTOR IS GOOFY. WE said nothing about the past.
I typed all this on my phone so excuse all the well u know.
Bravo said:Bruh said:Bravo said:Wow this has taken a disappointing turn. I'll try to be as kind as possible,...
If someone from FBC says nothing then they are a kool aid drinker, brain washed or "should have stood up and said something".
This is a discussion forum isn't it? A guy opines on a thread, regretfully reflects back on the years gone by and tries to be honest and now gets slammed for it?
I'll say this,... If you weren't/aren't here it's hard to understand what a good number of good people are going through. For some there is a real struggle to look back objectively now and look forward objectively.
I was a defender of Schaap back when, and tried to be fair and honest in my defense of him. But it came to a point where I couldn't defend what was going on anymore. That's a TOUGH crossroads to find yourself at. It's an internal struggle, but I think an honest one.
I don't know BG but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. If this makes me a bad guy in your eyes then okay.
smh.
You missed the whole point, what you are saying is wrong.
Bg, said that, ppl that r KJVO are goofy, so I asked him if his current pastor is goofy?
Then he tries to skate around the whole question I asked and says, u will needs to ask him. When he said that he had already spoke with JW about this. And goes on about how in other languages the bible boa, bla, bla.
When you know I know and he knows JW, is KJVO a for the English speaking ppl.
Therefore bg says his CURRENT PASTOR IS GOOFY. WE said nothing about the past.
I typed all this on my phone so excuse all the well u know.
He said if Christians would study we wouldn't have so much goofy KJVO things taught. That is different than saying all KJVO are goofy.
prophet said:HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.nightbusheretic14 said:While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?
One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.
And he here admits the error that the KJV was indeed, given by inspiration, and THAT is contrary to the Scripture. God's revelation was finished with the book of Revelation, and He did NOT give us more books by inspiration. What I believe is that God preserved His word down through time, not that he re-gave (re-inspired) the Scriptures to man.IFB X-Files said:bgwilkinson said:He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.
A little "clarity" on Ruckman. Taken from his commentary of Luke, page 4.
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Tom Brennan said:In the early 90's I had Grady for Contemporary Theology. The vast majority of the class contained the material that later became his book Final Authority. It is one of the few classes of academic or doctrinal substance I had at HAC.
RAIDER said:So are you saying that Wilkerson is ok with church members using other versions? Is he ok with Sunday School teachers correcting the KJV in their class? If he is not KJVO he would probably be ok with these, correct?
Tom Brennan said:I think I'm beginning to understand him. He speaks respectfully of his current leadership - until that leadership is gone at which point he tells the entire world that he violently disagreed with 95% of what they did.
I am incredibly thankful I am not his pastor...
Walt said:Tom Brennan said:I think I'm beginning to understand him. He speaks respectfully of his current leadership - until that leadership is gone at which point he tells the entire world that he violently disagreed with 95% of what they did.
I am incredibly thankful I am not his pastor...
Or at least his ex-pastor ;D
I was concerned about this statement, because I have been highly critical of the HAC pastor, who seemed to blindly follow all of the worst things regarding Jack Hyles (as documented in the wonderful 39 Years message). Because it was taught that the pastor is untouchable (like Elisha), I would not criticize him. But I've always tried to be respectful to those with whom I disagree. But I think I am correct in criticizing this man.
TidesofTruth said:Walt said:Tom Brennan said:I think I'm beginning to understand him. He speaks respectfully of his current leadership - until that leadership is gone at which point he tells the entire world that he violently disagreed with 95% of what they did.
I am incredibly thankful I am not his pastor...
Or at least his ex-pastor ;D
I was concerned about this statement, because I have been highly critical of the HAC pastor, who seemed to blindly follow all of the worst things regarding Jack Hyles (as documented in the wonderful 39 Years message). Because it was taught that the pastor is untouchable (like Elisha), I would not criticize him. But I've always tried to be respectful to those with whom I disagree. But I think I am correct in criticizing this man.
Could you at least identify with more clarity (By initials even) who you are talking about in the above statement.