Edwards said:Where is Marty now? Isn't he back in the ministry somewhere?
Twisted said:Edwards said:Where is Marty now? Isn't he back in the ministry somewhere?
http://www.plainchurch.com
Escapee said:Twisted said:Edwards said:Where is Marty now? Isn't he back in the ministry somewhere?
http://www.plainchurch.com
Sure looks like he has gone liberal!
Escapee said:This place was hopping ever day and I was taking their lunch money!
Bob H said:Escapee said:This place was hopping ever day and I was taking their lunch money!
They sure owned you
PS: How ya been doing? Long time no hear.
Escapee said:Bob H said:Escapee said:This place was hopping ever day and I was taking their lunch money!
They sure owned you
PS: How ya been doing? Long time no hear.
LOL. Yes they did! We had some interesting debates didn't we? Doing great. How have you been?
Walt said:Well, since he left NY, he was more of an evangelical than a fundamentalist. He was drifting down the compromise road, and I'm not at all surprised.
Ransom said:Walt said:Well, since he left NY, he was more of an evangelical than a fundamentalist. He was drifting down the compromise road, and I'm not at all surprised.
First you get caught in an affair, and the next thing you know, you're compromising your theological standards and spinning rock and/or roll records on drive-time radio.
Walt said:Ransom said:Walt said:Well, since he left NY, he was more of an evangelical than a fundamentalist. He was drifting down the compromise road, and I'm not at all surprised.
First you get caught in an affair, and the next thing you know, you're compromising your theological standards and spinning rock and/or roll records on drive-time radio.
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
Tarheel Baptist said:Adultery is, after all only adultery....but how dare he stray from the really important stuff.
Walt said:Ransom said:Walt said:Well, since he left NY, he was more of an evangelical than a fundamentalist. He was drifting down the compromise road, and I'm not at all surprised.
First you get caught in an affair, and the next thing you know, you're compromising your theological standards and spinning rock and/or roll records on drive-time radio.
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
An observation from a guy that has seen a lot of ministries over a lot of years: when there is a dramatic, relatively sudden shift in a ministry (particularly church) practice in the important (not necessarily doctrinal) periphery issues that still identify the ministries' philosophy, and that change is not preceded by significant preparation in the teaching and preaching, there is generally a morality issue that has been ongoing and not overcome. Certainly not a hard and fast rule, but the 2 are connected far more than I would have suspected when I first started in ministry some 40 years ago.Walt said:...
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
Anchor said:An observation from a guy that has seen a lot of ministries over a lot of years: when there is a dramatic, relatively sudden shift in a ministry (particularly church) practice in the important (not necessarily doctrinal) periphery issues that still identify the ministries' philosophy, and that change is not preceded by significant preparation in the teaching and preaching, there is generally a morality issue that has been ongoing and not overcome. Certainly not a hard and fast rule, but the 2 are connected far more than I would have suspected when I first started in ministry some 40 years ago.Walt said:...
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
Tarheel Baptist said:Anchor said:An observation from a guy that has seen a lot of ministries over a lot of years: when there is a dramatic, relatively sudden shift in a ministry (particularly church) practice in the important (not necessarily doctrinal) periphery issues that still identify the ministries' philosophy, and that change is not preceded by significant preparation in the teaching and preaching, there is generally a morality issue that has been ongoing and not overcome. Certainly not a hard and fast rule, but the 2 are connected far more than I would have suspected when I first started in ministry some 40 years ago.Walt said:...
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
So did immorality cause the break from IFB ?orthodoxy? or did the break from said ?orthodoxy? cause immorality? Not to mention the culture of immorality prevalent among some well known IFB true believers.
Tarheel Baptist said:...
So did immorality cause the break from IFB ?orthodoxy? or did the break from said ?orthodoxy? cause immorality? Not to mention the culture of immorality prevalent among some well known IFB true believers.
Escapee said:Tarheel Baptist said:Anchor said:An observation from a guy that has seen a lot of ministries over a lot of years: when there is a dramatic, relatively sudden shift in a ministry (particularly church) practice in the important (not necessarily doctrinal) periphery issues that still identify the ministries' philosophy, and that change is not preceded by significant preparation in the teaching and preaching, there is generally a morality issue that has been ongoing and not overcome. Certainly not a hard and fast rule, but the 2 are connected far more than I would have suspected when I first started in ministry some 40 years ago.Walt said:...
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
So did immorality cause the break from IFB ?orthodoxy? or did the break from said ?orthodoxy? cause immorality? Not to mention the culture of immorality prevalent among some well known IFB true believers.
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Escapee said:Walt said:Ransom said:Walt said:Well, since he left NY, he was more of an evangelical than a fundamentalist. He was drifting down the compromise road, and I'm not at all surprised.
First you get caught in an affair, and the next thing you know, you're compromising your theological standards and spinning rock and/or roll records on drive-time radio.
Heh... but there is a lot of truth here.
Usually, music standards slide or are just not that important anymore; then, the doctrines begin to slide as well.
But being new evangelical isn't connected with adultery.
What? "Music standards slide then doctrine begins to slide as well?" What a broad brushing statemtent. Remember the key word here is "standards" which is not a biblical term and is so subjective in the IFB world. My preferences become the worlds standards!