Modesty, yoga pants and myths.

[rsc2a]

now may i ask... in light of how many times threads on the subject of womens modesty have been started here....
why something like the sermon you just linked to was never posted before...

Why would we post something that exposes our own weaknesses when we can make others look bad for supposed ills?

 

[ALAYMAN]

sorry..... i can;t listen to a disembodied voice broadcast electronically like that......
.which is i asked for a transcript or a video........ but i will accept that as proof
that at least one preacher out there is concerned with the issue ....... .....

now may i ask... in light of how many times threads on the subject of womens modesty
have been started here.... why something like the sermon you just linked to was never
posted here before?.....

There are lots of posts regularly lampooning Baptist preachers for a variety of reasons, including their morbid obesity and gluttonous ways.  As the rat alluded to, there is hypocrisy in many corners of Christianity.  The disproportion of subject matter probably has to do with a lack of balance in preaching the whole counsel of the word, and a lack of expositional systematic preaching.

Having said that, just because a person is fat doesn't mean they are a glutton.  It PROBABLY  does mean that at one point they were a glutton, but that doesn't necessitate that their extra weight status is indicative of a current sinful life of gluttony.

 

[ALAYMAN]

sorry..... i can;t listen to a disembodied voice broadcast electronically like that......
.which is i asked for a transcript or a video........ but i will accept that as proof
that at least one preacher out there is concerned with the issue ....... .....

now may i ask... in light of how many times threads on the subject of womens modesty
have been started here.... why something like the sermon you just linked to was never
posted here before?.....

There are lots of posts regularly lampooning Baptist preachers for a variety of reasons, including their morbid obesity and gluttonous ways.  As the rat alluded to, there is hypocrisy in many corners of Christianity.  The disproportion of subject matter probably has to do with a lack of balance in preaching the whole counsel of the word, and a lack of expositional systematic preaching.

Having said that, just because a person is fat doesn't mean they are a glutton.  It PROBABLY  does mean that at one point they were a glutton, but that doesn't necessitate that their extra weight status is indicative of a current sinful life of gluttony.

i know there are posts lampooning baptist preachers who are gluttons......
i have made a few of them myself........ i have even made posts making fun of
myself for eating too much at a favorite restaurant then falling asleep in the booth....... 

....... but i;m talking about serious threads started by baptist preachers themselves... ...
like the one in the picture with his wife who i don;t even know the name of... .... ..
or posts with links to a sermon or artcile written by a baptist preacher .. like him...
who has been a glutton most of his life..... telling how he used to run over people getting
in and out of kripsy kreme donuts in the morning before sunday school .... only to pig out
at a restaurant after church in the afternoon..... then squeeze himself out the door 2 hours
later without even leaving the waitress a tip...... .. then falling asleep on the podium during
the evening service.... ......  but who has since then come under conviction about the bad
testimony he gave the world.... and the bad example he was setting for other christians ...
...and who is now putting himself on the path towards both living healthy and also setting a right example........ ..........

ok....... i realize expecting that from such a preacher might be asking too much.......... but how
about a sermon from another baptist preacher calling out gluttonous preachers like that?...........
does it ever happen?...........if it did have you ever seen it posted on a forum?........ .....

i can tell you this much.... things like that are a much bigger problem regarding a christian
testimony and how the world sees christians than going to the beach wearing shorts and
tank top is.... ...... people in the secular world aren;t taking trash about how the preachers
daughters go to the beach wearing swimsuits or to the mall wearing yoga pants....... they
are talking about the hypocrisy of the preacher himself.... and the things he does himself....
and other things he fails to do regarding other aspects of the Lord service....... 

Problems in Christianity:

Gluttony-                check
Lust-                            check
Immodesty -          check
Hypocrisy-              check
Judgmentalness- check

We shouldn't deny any of these issues.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I guess the Boss Hogg thread really hit too close to the truth, and blew Ransom's pretended differentiation between nudity and fine art to bits.  Someone didn't just delete the one picture.  Someone deleted the whole thread. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

I guess the Boss Hogg thread really hit too close to the truth, and blew Ransom's pretended differentiation between nudity and fine art to bits.  Someone didn't just delete the one picture.  Someone deleted the whole thread.

works of art like that don;t bother me.......they were not painted or sculpted for the purposes of making people lust........ or to disgust them either..... .  but i still would not have posted them here.......  just like i wouldn;t have dragged anybody into the museum or the sistine chapel and forced them to look either.....  because i know things like that do bother some people.......... so i am not surprised it was deleted....... there is a time and place for things........ and that time and place can be different for each person depending on who you ask.........

lol, do ya wonder why TRT hasn't corrected your innocent view of his dirty little trick?  You know, the fact that it wasn't a sculpture or painting of the Chapel that got his thread removed???  It was the full-frontal nudity picture of a curvy young woman that got his thread removed, but he'd be content to let you believe it was "Art" that caused this travesty. 

The dude is shady, and that is putting it politetly.

 

[brianb]

Common sense would dictate he not eat so much.

ok.... so where is the link to the article written by a baptist preacher who used to be a glutton....  but has now decided to change the eating habits that were giving him bad testimony and setting a bad example for other christians?....

or how about a video of a sermon preached by a baptist preacher on the evils of gluttony?........  .... are there any out there?........... ... serious question......  if there are.. i wonder why nobody here has ever posted them?...... ??? ......

https://www.lwf.org/

February 22-- Family Fitness

Didn't Rogers die last year?  I never knew he was a glutton.  Maybe that's what killed him?

Not last year, last decade 2005 to be exact and he died of pneumonia which he got from cancer treatments for colon cancer.

 

[BALAAM]

I guess the Boss Hogg thread really hit too close to the truth, and blew Ransom's pretended differentiation between nudity and fine art to bits.  Someone didn't just delete the one picture.  Someone deleted the whole thread.

works of art like that don;t bother me.......they were not painted or sculpted for the purposes of making people lust........ or to disgust them either..... .  but i still would not have posted them here.......  just like i wouldn;t have dragged anybody into the museum or the sistine chapel and forced them to look either.....  because i know things like that do bother some people.......... so i am not surprised it was deleted....... there is a time and place for things........ and that time and place can be different for each person depending on who you ask.........

lol, do ya wonder why TRT hasn't corrected your innocent view of his dirty little trick?  You know, the fact that it wasn't a sculpture or painting of the Chapel that got his thread removed???  It was the full-frontal nudity picture of a curvy young woman that got his thread removed, but he'd be content to let you believe it was "Art" that caused this travesty. 

The dude is shady, and that is putting it politetly.

Only this one guy on the forum is shady????

 

[ALAYMAN]

and yet you do....... ..

Which one of those do I deny are sinful issues within humanity and Christianity?

of all those things you mentioned which is the one mentioned most often in the bible?.......and which one is mentioned least?...........

You tell me.

yet which one is preached against constantly while the others are either seldom mentioned or not at all.... and if they are the blame is placed where it doesn;t belong....

How do you know what gets preached in all the churches in the world?  Do you know the last time I heard a message preached on modesty or clothing styles in my 18 years of attending a Baptist church?  Not one whole sermon, ever.  Do you know how often I've even heard the subject mentioned in my church?  Probably less than a dozen times.  Maybe you're a little sensitive to the subject?

 

[ALAYMAN]

i didn;t know about that last picture..... and i already said i wouldn;t even have posted the first 2 whether they bothered me personally or not... ...... ........ but after all that has transpired here over the last 3 years do you really think you need to remind me how shady anybody here is?....... ...... i have pointed it out the problems many times and was usually not polite about it. ......

I know you know the dude is shady, but he set a new low, even for him yesterday.  IMNSHO he should have been given a time-out for that.

 

[ALAYMAN]

and yet you do....... ..

Which one of those do I deny are sinful issues within humanity and Christianity?

of all those things you mentioned which is the one mentioned most often in the bible?.......and which one is mentioned least?...........

You tell me.

yet which one is preached against constantly while the others are either seldom mentioned or not at all.... and if they are the blame is placed where it doesn;t belong....

How do you know what gets preached in all the churches in the world?  Do you know the last time I heard a message preached on modesty or clothing styles in my 18 years of attending a Baptist church?  Not one whole sermon, ever.  Do you know how often I've even heard the subject mentioned in my church?  Probably less than a dozen time.  Maybe you're a little sensitive to the subject?

or maybe a few of you guys just like to pound on the subject a lot more often on this forum, than it gets preached about in the average baptist church.......... ... i already posted the links to 5 threads started on the subject by just one individual here in the past 2 years......... you found one sermon online semi-related to the issue i asked for that was preached in the last 11.......

and you know very well which of those topics the bible covers most and which one it only mentions a handful of times....... ... and you also know which ones you and your friends harp on here the most and also which ones you seldom mention...... ......

so i don;t know why you are choosing to be coy and obtuse about this..... or even smart-elleck about it........... .... but it;s not helping your own image where honesty and shadiness is concerned.......  ... i don;t know what gets preached in all the churches in all the world and neither do you...... but we both know some of what gets preached in baptist churches coz the sermons get posted here from youtube and other websites.........  ......

if the issue of womens modesty is truly seldom preached about then it is seriously over represented here on the forum in the number of sermons and articles posted about it....... why is that?......... you tell me..... ... ...... and if you think that;s not cause to get a little sensitive about it then just look at how sensitive you have become over my bringing this issue of unbalance and hypocrisy to light ..........

Maybe you've been duped by a website that is in large part constructed to show the seedy under-belly of IFBdom (Hyles style).  Maybe people like to yank chains too much here and they know how to get a predictable response?  Either way, to assume that the caricatures that are painted here about Baptists are always universally true is a bit jaded, and na?ve.


And my questions about which topic is more prevalent were serious, not coy.  You made the claim, with the assumption that it was obvious which theme(s) was more abundant.  I just asked for evidence of your claim.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Maybe you've been duped by a website that is in large part constructed to show the seedy under-belly of IFBdom (Hyles style).  Maybe people like to yank chains too much here and they know how to get a predictable response?  Either way, to assume that the caricatures that are painted here about Baptists are always universally true is a bit jaded, and na?ve.


And my questions about which topic is more prevalent were serious, not coy.  You made the claim, with the assumption that it was obvious which theme(s) was more abundant.  I just asked for evidence of your claim.

my opinion of fundamental baptists didn;t come entirely from this website....... i have other real world examples i have both learned from.... and also was been taught about... by someone who spent more time deeper in the heart of it than you have.......

and i already gave you evidence of what i claimed...... 5 threads posted in the past 2 years and that was without even looking that hard...... ... you posted 1 sermon from a guy who died eleven years ago and it;s only loosely related to the topic i asked about........ i would say thats evidence enough of which theme was being focused on the most here and which one is mostly ignored......... 

Were those "fundamental Baptists" that you refer to of the Hyles/Gray/Vineyard (Indy-Fundy KJVo) strain?

And as I said about your claim regarding Tarheel, do you not fathom that he is a pot-stirrer?  What you mistake for obsession might very well be merely "setting the hook" and then the chase is on.

And lastly, I asked for evidence of your claims that there was more of an emphasis within Scriptures on some of the themes in my checklist, not evidence that the topic of immodesty occurs more on the forum than other particular topics.

 

[Mathew Ward]

Maybe you've been duped by a website that is in large part constructed to show the seedy under-belly of IFBdom (Hyles style).  Maybe people like to yank chains too much here and they know how to get a predictable response?  Either way, to assume that the caricatures that are painted here about Baptists are always universally true is a bit jaded, and na?ve.


And my questions about which topic is more prevalent were serious, not coy.  You made the claim, with the assumption that it was obvious which theme(s) was more abundant.  I just asked for evidence of your claim.

my opinion of fundamental baptists didn;t come entirely from this website....... i have other real world examples i have both learned from.... and also was been taught about... by someone who spent more time deeper in the heart of it than you have.......

and i already gave you evidence of what i claimed...... 5 threads posted in the past 2 years and that was without even looking that hard...... ... you posted 1 sermon from a guy who died eleven years ago and it;s only loosely related to the topic i asked about........ i would say thats evidence enough of which theme was being focused on the most here and which one is mostly ignored......... 

Were those "fundamental Baptists" that you refer to of the Hyles/Gray/Vineyard (Indy-Fundy KJVo) strain?

And as I said about your claim regarding Tarheel, do you not fathom that he is a pot-stirrer?  What you mistake for obsession might very well be merely "setting the hook" and then the chase is on.

And lastly, I asked for evidence of your claims that there was more of an emphasis within Scriptures on some of the themes in my checklist, not evidence that the topic of immodesty occurs more on the forum than other particular topics.

If that is the case (the bold above) would you consider that right or wrong?

 

[ALAYMAN]

If that is the case (the bold above) would you consider that right or wrong?

Not trying to use double-speak at all, but people who come to a "fighting fundamentalist" forum as adults should probably know what they are in for when they sign up, especially after reading (via first lurking preferably) how things here work.  That's common sense.  However, for a more abstract answer, it depends on various factors.  If the "setting the hook" is on somebody who is spiritually or otherwise fragile, then it very well could be wrong.  If it is two people that like to sport and don't take things personally, then it might be mere entertainment, camaraderie, or some might even oddly enough view it as fellowship.

 

[Recovering IFB]

If that is the case (the bold above) would you consider that right or wrong?

Not trying to use double-speak at all, but people who come to a "fighting fundamentalist" forum as adults should probably know what they are in for when they sign up, especially after reading (via first lurking preferably) how things here work. 

I'm going to remember that you said this, this is funny coming from you. The guy who screams "foul" more than most.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'm going to remember that you said this, ....

I doubt it.  I know the substances you use. 

 

[subllibrm]

I guess the Boss Hogg thread really hit too close to the truth, and blew Ransom's pretended differentiation between nudity and fine art to bits.  Someone didn't just delete the one picture.  Someone deleted the whole thread.

works of art like that don;t bother me.......they were not painted or sculpted for the purposes of making people lust........ or to disgust them either..... .  but i still would not have posted them here.......  just like i wouldn;t have dragged anybody into the museum or the sistine chapel and forced them to look either.....  because i know things like that do bother some people.......... so i am not surprised it was deleted....... there is a time and place for things........ and that time and place can be different for each person depending on who you ask.........

lol, do ya wonder why TRT hasn't corrected your innocent view of his dirty little trick?  You know, the fact that it wasn't a sculpture or painting of the Chapel that got his thread removed???  It was the full-frontal nudity picture of a curvy young woman that got his thread removed, but he'd be content to let you believe it was "Art" that caused this travesty. 

The dude is shady, and that is putting it politetly.

Only this one guy on the forum is shady????

I am shady!  8)

 

[subllibrm]

<snip>  You know, the fact that it wasn't a sculpture or painting of the Chapel that got his thread removed???  It was the full-frontal nudity picture of a curvy young woman that got his thread removed, but he'd be content to let you believe it was "Art" that caused this travesty. 

The dude is shady, and that is putting it politetly.

Now wait just one dern minute. Someone posted a picture of a naked woman and it got delete before I had a chance to see it, er I mean be offended by it? 

 

[ALAYMAN]

some were and some were not..... but what does it matter?.......

I think it would matter greatly if the person's perspective was colored by relationships that they had forged with Baptists that were largely from the kind known for their "militant" views (often rightly referred to as IFBx on here), rather than more moderate grace-oriented ones.  The strain that comes from Norris and Hyles variety is somewhat notorious for majoring on the minors and hypocrisy. 

 

[RAIDER]

Here is a pic of the guy that has no respect for women. He has burner sermons on pigs in a sack referring to women in pants.

He is the same proud arrogant obnoxious loud overbearing brute that we endured  when he was in HAC, yes he inflicted us at FBCH as well.

I understand he sat in the crazy section during HAC chapel.

He's the guy with the triple chin and the quadruple stomach, the one that looks half dead.

Look at all the zombie like servile sycophants sitting there looking like they are bored out of their minds.

He couldn't pass a HAC hair check now for sure.

How would you like that guy for your pastor?

Oh did I mention he calls himself doctor, it's a faux doc, not real.

If he were to preach a sermon on gluttony his audience would pass out in shock.

Here he is again. I think he was sleeping in the above photo as this activity is very tiring.

Here he is with his new wife.

IMHO as always, of course.

Saw him in a church recently.  He is half the size he was.  You wouldn't recognize him.

 

[Jim Jones]

Keith Gomez is a baptist tailiban.

Anyone who admires him is a baptist jihadist.