Racial Dating Policies at Bible Colleges

[ItinerantPreacher]

18 year olds are not adults. Period. Including in the scriptures.

Yes, they are adults.

You might wish to deny this and approve of them being kept as children, but that does not change the fact they are adults.

They can walk out of their parent's home and live on their own anytime they want. They do not need their parents' permission to marry, divorce, sign legal documents, join the military, agree to medical procedures, buy real estate, have their own investment accounts, start the great American pastime of accumulating debt, and apply for a passport to leave the country. They are tried in court as adults without excuse.

Perhaps it is time the IFBx starts expecting more from college students and refuse to baby them. Oh, and stop supporting racist institutions.

The fact that the government assigns them legal rights means nothing, under certain circumstances, they will emancipate a 14 year old, doesn't make that 14 year old an adult, it simply gives them the rights of adulthood. The fact that the government allows this automatically for 18 year olds doesn't make them mature either.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

18 years old are adults. Period. College students do not need babysitting. That is ridiculous.

If your 18 year old lacks the self-control, knowledge, etc. to manage themselves, do not send them to college. Keep them home and babysit them yourself, because they have no business being sent away to any college.

Perhaps these IFB Bible college students are so immature because no one actually expects them to be mature and make their own decisions at 18. They take their sippy cups and back packs to college.

Crown's decision to allow their college students to date high school students is even more interesting. Sich a bunch of immature college students - who are unable to control themselves so they need lots and lots of rules - on high school students? Where is the wisdom in that?

18 year olds are not adults. Period. Including in the scriptures.

so when do they become adults?...... you say it;s all according to the scriptures but none of those scriptures you listed gives a numerical age...... except for one....... luke 3-23...... the verse before that one describes the Holy Spirit descending on Jesus in the form of a dove.... and verse 23 says Jesus was 30 years of age at the time....... but nowhere in those scriptures does the Bible say Jesus was not an adult or to be considered a grown man before that event ............ if you are claiming it does then you must also be claiming that people today do not become adults until age 30.... ???.......... is that what you are saying?..... ???.......or is there some other scripture you haven;t referred to yet that gives some other arbitrary number as the age of adulthood?.......

Ok, I owe you a clearer response.

There are several connected but different thoughts contained in this thread, and my posts have responded to some of those thoughts.

One of them has was Bible Colleges turning out immature graduates. The verses I included were in response to that. They are cautionary verses about placing people in the ministry too early or unprepared. I would consider immature as both. The verse about the Lord is simply showing that as an example to us, his earthly ministry did not start until he was 30, I think we can conclude he waited until he was mature enough.

The other thought that has run through here has been the age of adulthood, a similar but different thought. Scripturally, we are given two insights into this.
The age of taxation
Exodus 30:14  Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
and the age of conscription
Numbers 1:3  From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.
Numbers 1:24  Of the children of Gad, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

This is further validated in another passage:
Leviticus 27:2-7  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

And then again
Numbers 14:26-30  And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me. Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you: Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.

It would be foolish for us to suppose that people now are more mature than they were in the society described at this time. God gave us enough information to determine that 18 year olds are not adults, in the Bible they were not held accountable, but at 20 they were.

Apply this reasoning to Bible College. Don't send them or don't accept them until they are 20. They graduate with a degree at 24, then place them in a 4 year internship. They are 28. Getting much closer to the Lord and his "about 30 years of age".

I apologize if i did not separate those thoughts and muddled them together.

 

[subllibrm]

Apparently it is okay to be a "serial dater" or "date anything in a a skirt" as long as all the girls have the same skin color as the predator, er, I mean young gentleman.

 

[Reformed Guy]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

You miss the point of the thread...it's not about what it's about, it's a bash the fundys thread.
Declare yourself righteously indignant and move on.....

 

[Recovering IFB]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

You miss the point of the thread...it's not about what it's about, it's a bash the fundys thread.
Declare yourself righteously indignant and move on.....

Feeling convicted?
No, it's about them hiding behind "parental consent" to mask their racism. But hey, it's ok to date high school girls without parental consent, right?

 

[Ransom]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

As usual, missing the point - not that they have rules, but that they have evil rules.

 

[kaba]

I am not a bigot or racist, but I dont want that for my children. I am allowed to have that opinion, and it doesnt make me a hateful person either.

Don't want what?

I am in an interracial marriage and I can tell you it is heaven on earth. We get along so well in every area of life. I think it is sad for the average single person to limit themselves into settling on marrying one race, or just someone from the small circle of their church or who their parents betroth them to.


A wonderful read for anyone that thinks they know what the Bible says about race -

http://www.amazon.com/One-Blood-Biblical-Answer-Racism/dp/0890512760/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422500294&sr=1-1&keywords=One+Blood

Good for you on your happy marriage. (with all sincerity) 

I can still have an opinion and not be racist about what I believe.  I am not being hateful just because I feel the way I do. And I did not "learn" this from the college I attended.

In reference to the strict rules, why be so against a college wanted to have a secure place for their students?  Yes, some rules are beyond stupid. But if you dont like the rules-dont go there.

 

[Boomer]

I am not a bigot or racist, but I dont want that for my children. I am allowed to have that opinion, and it doesnt make me a hateful person either.

Don't want what?

I am in an interracial marriage and I can tell you it is heaven on earth. We get along so well in every area of life. I think it is sad for the average single person to limit themselves into settling on marrying one race, or just someone from the small circle of their church or who their parents betroth them to.


A wonderful read for anyone that thinks they know what the Bible says about race -

http://www.amazon.com/One-Blood-Biblical-Answer-Racism/dp/0890512760/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422500294&sr=1-1&keywords=One+Blood

Good for you on your happy marriage. (with all sincerity) 

I can still have an opinion and not be racist about what I believe.  I am not being hateful just because I feel the way I do. And I did not "learn" this from the college I attended.

In reference to the strict rules, why be so against a college wanted to have a secure place for their students?  Yes, some rules are beyond stupid. But if you dont like the rules-dont go there.

May I ask what your opinion is based upon?

(My question assumes that you have a preference against interracial dating/marriage - Correct me if I'm wrong about that.)

 

[Reformed Guy]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

As usual, missing the point - not that they have rules, but that they have evil rules.

Evil according to what definition?  I'm more inclined to see evil rules as those permitting orgies and such.  But I'm more inclined to think of evil in biblical terms.

I can think of several negative terms to describe the rules.  Personally I don't care for them.  So I won't be sending my kids there, but I won't be pitching a hissy about their having them either.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

You miss the point of the thread...it's not about what it's about, it's a bash the fundys thread.
Declare yourself righteously indignant and move on.....

Feeling convicted?
No, it's about them hiding behind "parental consent" to mask their racism. But hey, it's ok to date high school girls without parental consent, right?

Project much? 
And parental consent is not confined to fundamentalist schools.
We had a similar rule at Liberty when I was there, I believe...don't know what it is now.
And the SBC college my youngest daughter attended required parental consent for dating of any kind!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

As usual, missing the point - not that they have rules, but that they have evil rules.

Evil according to what definition?  I'm more inclined to see evil rules as those permitting orgies and such.  But I'm more inclined to think of evil in biblical terms.

I can think of several negative terms to describe the rules.  Personally I don't care for them.  So I won't be sending my kids there, but I won't be pitching a hissy about their having them either.

Me too!

 

[Ransom]

Evil according to what definition?

We were discussing the rule against interracial dating.  It is evil according to the definition of racism.

Try to keep up.

I can think of several negative terms to describe the rules.  Personally I don't care for them.  So I won't be sending my kids there, but I won't be pitching a hissy about their having them either.

"I can think of several negative terms to describe the laws permitting same-sex marriage in Massachusetts. Personally I don't care for them. So I won't be living there, but I won't be pitching a hissy fit about their having them either."

 

[Reformed Guy]

Evil according to what definition?

We were discussing the rule against interracial dating.  It is evil according to the definition of racism.

I must have missed that one.  I did see one where it deferred the decision to the parents.

A great rule, as far as it goes.  Bad thing is, it doesn't go nearly far enough.  Should defer the decision to parents regarding anyone the child dates, regardless of ethnicity.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Evil according to what definition?

We were discussing the rule against interracial dating.  It is evil according to the definition of racism.

Try to keep up.

I can think of several negative terms to describe the rules.  Personally I don't care for them.  So I won't be sending my kids there, but I won't be pitching a hissy about their having them either.

"I can think of several negative terms to describe the laws permitting same-sex marriage in Massachusetts. Personally I don't care for them. So I won't be living there, but I won't be pitching a hissy fit about their having them either."

My response to this thread concerns the parental consent, which seems to be basic in IFB college-dom.

I personally agree with you in that specific illustration.
Since gay marriage has become law, I have said nothing publicly about it in the context or our church and ministry.
If and when I am required to perform same sex marriage ceremonies, that will change....and then your comparison breaks down, IMO.

 

[Reformed Guy]

"I can think of several negative terms to describe the laws permitting same-sex marriage in Massachusetts. Personally I don't care for them. So I won't be living there, but I won't be pitching a hissy fit about their having them either."

Sorry you see it that way.

I see those laws as truly evil according to the biblical definition, whereas a rule regarding the involvement of parents in the dating choices of their children can only be designated evil according to a definition derived from them majority feelings of an anti-authoritative culture.

 

[Ransom]

I did see one where it deferred the decision to the parents.

Why does the rule require permission from interracial couples' parents but not for couples of the same ethnicity? Because the school is run by, or panders to, racist boneheads.

But by all means, please continue to pretend that the bulk of the discussion on this thread has been about parental consent, and not the fact that this school institutionalizes an un-Christian racism in its official regulations.

A great rule, as far as it goes.

A rule that creates a double standard for students with different colours of skin is "great"? Oh brother.

My suggestion: Find yourself a length of 2x4, preferably well planed. Write the epistle to the Galatians on it, paying special attention to chapter 2. Then, grasping one end firmly, smack yourself repeatedly with the 2x4 in the forehead. Repeat until clue sets in.

 

[Citadel of Truth]

A ban on interracial dating isn't protection.  It's bigoted Christ-less racism.

Another rare occasion where we agree.

What is commonly called "interracial dating" is really meant to mean "black cannot date white." Most, if not all of these colleges would not forbid an Asian dating a white American. Or, a Hispanic student dating a white American. But, they do forbid them dating a black American. That's nothing short of bigotry, IMHO.

(I didn't take the time to read the entire thread. If this point was already addressed, I apologize)

 

[T-Bone]

I believe I agree with you...so if they are not mature enough to make adult decisions, then they are not mature enough to be in Bible College.  We can't be for graduating a bunch of immature babies to lead our churches...oh wait maybe that's the problem!

Yes, this.
If people are using these IFB bible colleges as college-age, 24-hour daycare, these so-called men and women have no business in church leadership. Let them mature before sending them to college. Mature college age students do not require a college nanny to tell them whom they should date.

I can not imagine forbidding my adult child from dating someone just because of their race. That is flat out racist...there is no sugar-coating that.

Your post implies that colleges of other stripes do not have a maturity issue, and hence their graduates are mature and ready for the ministry.

I disagree. That maturity level exists in all denominations and all stripes of them. IFB, SBC, AOG alike. A lack of both spiritual and practical maturity is a problem across the board in many in current leadefship.

My post doesn't imply that at all...I am not talking about other colleges or their requirements for students, that's not the topic...transference to others the issues we are talking about with these colleges does not make them go away.  Quit moving the goal post as if in doing so it makes their inane rule and practices better.

Umm, I was answering Amazed by Grace T-Bone, kinda figured we were on the better part of the same page on this one.

My bad... that's why what you said didn't make sense to what I had said...I can never read these multiple thread answers and mine was the first in that one.  Sorry, carry on!

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Given that there's a few thousand other options for college in the U.S.- nearly all of which libertinism can be practiced with abandon- I wouldn't get my knickers in a bunch over a handful that actually have some rules.

If you don't like the rules, don't go there.

So their racism is cool then?